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I don't terribly mind the Aminu/Vonleh for Crowder portion (though I think it makes us worse this year), as it frees up PF minutes and gets us under the tax line, but I don't see a whole lot of value in swapping Napier for Thomas.

Replace Aminu with Harkless in that deal, and then it makes a lot more sense for us, I think.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
That second trade seems kind of complicated just to net us Evans. Actually didn't work on the trade machine. And I can't see how it gives Memphis incentive to take on Harkless. It seems like earlier you had a more simple trade for Evans. Like just Harkless for those three but we need to include our first round pick?
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YOuve seen a simple BJ trade option? lol Love ya T

BigGameDamian said:
LoL. First round exit.
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Someone bann this ass of a post.....
 
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Orion Bailey said:
No way I take IT.

HE will not last long in the NBA. He already had his hayday. He will decline in almost every facet and his efficiency is almost the worst in the league.
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He is an expiring. It's a way to get under the cap. Clevland will not do it however. They will need a young or two prospects and someone that can help them this year to even consider it.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't terribly mind the Aminu/Vonleh for Crowder portion (though I think it makes us worse this year), as it frees up PF minutes and gets us under the tax line, but I don't see a whole lot of value in swapping Napier for Thomas.
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It's a package deal. If they'd just swap Crowder/Aminu, GREAT! DONE! But with all the grumbling surrounding Thomas, and his pending free agency, maybe they see Bazz as a less corrosive option? Maybe even a BETTER option? Much better 3-point shooting, and better defense. He doesn't have the name, but I wouldn't put it past him to outperform what Thomas has given CLE. And with Love out they need a PF. So it all works together, not as individual pieces.
I'd prefer to just swap Crowder/Aminu, but I think the multi-player trade actually works better for CLE.
 
Orion Bailey said:
No way I take IT.

HE will not last long in the NBA. He already had his hayday. He will decline in almost every facet and his efficiency is almost the worst in the league.
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Oh, I'm not advocating re-signing him! He's an expiring contract in my eyes! One that might help us get to the 2nd round, to boot. Maybe. But that'd just be a small bonus.
 
blue9 said:
It's a package deal. If they'd just swap Crowder/Aminu, GREAT! DONE! But with all the grumbling surrounding Thomas, and his pending free agency, maybe they see Bazz as a less corrosive option? Maybe even a BETTER option? Much better 3-point shooting, and better defense. He doesn't have the name, but I wouldn't put it past him to outperform what Thomas has given CLE. And with Love out they need a PF. So it all works together, not as individual pieces.
I'd prefer to just swap Crowder/Aminu, but I think the multi-player trade actually works better for CLE.
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Ah--I had forgotten who was posting this. You have a lower opinion of Aminu's value to the team than most in here do, so of course you'd naturally not see Aminu for Crowder as a downgrade.

My concern with this deal is that not only do I think it doesn't make us better, but it also doesn't get us below the tax line this year or save us any significant sum going forward. Long story short, since I don't see Aminu as a net negative like you do, I don't see any way this deal helps the team.

Like I said in the other post (in an edit, so you might have missed it)--replace Aminu with Harkless, and then the deal makes sense (to me). As composed, I don't like it.
 
andalusian said:
He is an expiring. It's a way to get under the cap. Clevland will not do it however. They will need a young or two prospects and someone that can help them this year to even consider it.
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In fairness, Aminu and Napier are both players who could help the Cavs this year, and Vonleh and Napier are also still young prospects, so the pieces @blue9 included seem to fit your criteria.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Ah--I had forgotten who was posting this. You have a lower opinion of Aminu's value to the team than most in here do, so of course you'd naturally not see Aminu for Crowder as a downgrade.

My concern with this deal is that not only do I think it doesn't make us better, but it also doesn't get us below the tax line this year or save us any significant sum going forward. Long story short, since I don't see Aminu as a net negative like you do, I don't see any way this deal helps the team.

Like I said in the other post (in an edit, so you might have missed it)--replace Aminu with Harkless, and then the deal makes sense (to me). As composed, I don't like it.
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Take my opinion of Aminu out of the equation and view it as:
  • Getting a starting SF
  • Making room to play our actual PF(s)*
But I'd also be fine swapping Harkless/Aminu. Again though, from CLE's perspective I think they'd rather have Aminu.

*Admittedly, with this trade we're trading out one of our PFs I'd like to create time for. But I'm comfortable with Collins/Ed/Caleb as our PF rotation.
 
blue9 said:
Take my opinion of Aminu out of the equation and view it as:
  • Getting a starting SF
  • Making room to play our actual PF(s)*
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If I had a ton of confidence in Crowder's ability to play here similarly to how he played in Boston, I'd view it exactly like that as well. However, the trend seems to be that players over-perform under Brad Stevens, and then disappoint once they leave his system. As such, I'd see it as relatively likely that Crowder wouldn't be any better here than he has been in Cleveland, and no better than Turner or Harkless already are for us now.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If I had a ton of confidence in Crowder's ability to play here similarly to how he played in Boston, I'd view it exactly like that as well. However, the trend seems to be that players over-perform under Brad Stevens, and then disappoint once they leave his system. As such, I'd see it as relatively likely that Crowder wouldn't be any better here than he has been in Cleveland, and no better than Turner or Harkless already are for us now.
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That may very well be the case. But nobody can be as bad as Turner! Except Aminu. ;)
I'm willing to take the gamble because I don't see a lot of value TO US in the players we're trading away - Vonleh doesn't play at all (ditto Harkless if we swap him for Aminu), we'll lose Bazz for nothing, and Aminu is taking up valuable PF minutes. At worst it's a lateral move - at best we balance the roster a bit.
 
Ok - this IS the Crazy Trade Ideas post!

Trade Successful as per ESPN Trade Machine

To: Portland
Jordan (from Clippers)
Crowder (from Cavs)
Rose (Cavs)

To: LA Clippers
I. Thomas (from Cavs)
Calderon (from Cavs)
Leonard (from Portland)
Portland’s protected first round pick

To: Cleveland
Turner (from Portland)
Napier (from Portland)
Clippers protected first round pick
 
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I’ve seen some media types suggest Cleveland offer up the Brooklyn pick for Gordon and the only thought I have is people will be surprised at the return if/when Orlando trades him. I know I wouldn’t offer up a lottery pick for him. I view Gordon as a less efficient version of Shawn Marion. Complimentary piece. Talented. Skilled. But still just a complimentary piece.
 
Scalma said:
I’ve seen some media types suggest Cleveland offer up the Brooklyn pick for Gordon and the only thought I have is people will be surprised at the return if/when Orlando trades him. I know I wouldn’t offer up a lottery pick for him. I view Gordon as a less efficient version of Shawn Marion. Complimentary piece. Talented. Skilled. But still just a complimentary piece.
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Marion was a much more well-rounded player than Gordon. Gordon is more similar to Amare - offense but no defense.
And Amare without Nash was garbage, injury or not.
 
blue9 said:
Marion was a much more well-rounded player than Gordon. Gordon is more similar to Amare - offense but no defense.
And Amare without Nash was garbage, injury or not.
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Gordon no defense? That’s now at least two people that have suggested Gordon doesn’t defend. Whatever advanced stat you’re looking at....ignore it.

Gordon is much better on the defensive side than the offensive.
 
Scalma said:
Gordon no defense? That’s now at least two people that have suggested Gordon doesn’t defend. Whatever advanced stat you’re looking at....ignore it.

Gordon is much better on the defensive side than the offensive.
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I'll choose to cede the point without agreeing with you, due to the fact I haven't watched him enough to form a proper opinion either way. But from what little I've seen, I'm not impressed.
 
blue9 said:
I'll choose to cede the point without agreeing with you, due to the fact I haven't watched him enough to form a proper opinion either way. But from what little I've seen, I'm not impressed.
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I haven’t looked at any of his advanced stats but if it suggests he’s been poor defensively, I think that’s more a reflection of the team he’s on rather than a lack of ability. His defensive talent/versatility is what got him drafted as high as he did imo. I think his ceiling is a two way player in the Marion mold.
 
I've been pushing for this scenario to play out for a couple of months now. It's super crazy and would require Paul Allen to just say screw it and pay out a ton of tax but I think it would be worth it by the summer of 2019.

Trade #1
Pacers get Maurice Harkless (or Meyers Leonard if they prefer) and Larry Nance Jr
Lakers get Ed Davis (or Noah Vonleh and Jake Layman works too) and Al Jefferson
Blazers get Luol Deng, Lakers 2020 1st round pick (Unprotected), Lakers 2018 2nd round pick (via Denver), Lakers 2019 2nd round pick (via Chicago)

Pacers have to take on the contract of Harkless but get Larry Nance Jr as compensation for doing so. They are going to cut Jefferson in the off season anyway so this makes it so they don't have to have dead money on the books either. For the Lakers this is all about clearing max space, if waived this summer Jefferson only counts $4 million against the cap which they could stretch out. The cost of getting rid of Deng's salary is a 1st round pick, two 2nds, and Nance Jr. I think they would be happy to do this. The Blazers get rid of one of their bad contracts but gain an even worse one but could be heavily compensated for doing so. My dream is that after making this trade the Lakers strike out this summer and still suck in 2019-20 making their pick a high lottery one.

Trade #2
Hawks get Jordan Clarkson
Lakers get $75,000 cash from Atlanta
Blazers get Miles Plumlee (Using the TPE), and the better of the Hawks extra 1st rounders this year between Minnesota and Houston

This trade also could work between just us and Atlanta if they don't want Clarkson. The Lakers get more cap relief. Hawks get out of their worst contract. Blazers get another pick.

So now you might be thinking, why on earth would we add all these picks instead of improving the team now? First off, I don't think this really makes the team any worse than they already are but now they have a huge stockpile of assets. Plus they would be able to use the tax-payer MLE this season still for someone who is bought out and this summer. If they can just get through next year in good shape then in the summer of 2019 they'd have an incredible amount of trade pieces.

The contracts of Turner, Leonard, Plumlee, and Deng would all be huge expiring contracts at that point.

They'd have a bunch of (hopefully) promising young players on rookie deals including Collins, Swanigan, two players selected in the 2018 1st round, one player from the 2018 2nd round (likely a stash), one player from the 2019 1st round, and two players from the 2019 2nd round. Plus they'd have all of their own picks at that point and still have an unprotected 1st rounder from the Lakers (who will still suck). We would have just about any type of offer for trades that other team's would be looking for at that point. If Olshey found a good wing with just one of those 6 picks then we'd be set. The more quality those picks produce the better. Worst case scenario we just wait for contracts to expire and make a run at someone in the summer of 2020 like Kawhi Leonard or Jimmy Butler.

I know this really sounds like it is wasting at least a year and a half of Lillard's prime but I just don't see a logical way out of the position we are in and into contention this year or next year anyway so we not be primed to pounce whenever the next opportunity to get a Paul George or whoever becomes available? Right now it's pretty clear we don't have those pieces, short of another GM gifting us a lopsided trade.
 
hoopsjock said:
I've been pushing for this scenario to play out for a couple of months now. It's super crazy and would require Paul Allen to just say screw it and pay out a ton of tax but I think it would be worth it by the summer of 2019.

Trade #1
Pacers get Maurice Harkless (or Meyers Leonard if they prefer) and Larry Nance Jr
Lakers get Ed Davis (or Noah Vonleh and Jake Layman works too) and Al Jefferson
Blazers get Luol Deng, Lakers 2020 1st round pick (Unprotected), Lakers 2018 2nd round pick (via Denver), Lakers 2019 2nd round pick (via Chicago)

Pacers have to take on the contract of Harkless but get Larry Nance Jr as compensation for doing so. They are going to cut Jefferson in the off season anyway so this makes it so they don't have to have dead money on the books either. For the Lakers this is all about clearing max space, if waived this summer Jefferson only counts $4 million against the cap which they could stretch out. The cost of getting rid of Deng's salary is a 1st round pick, two 2nds, and Nance Jr. I think they would be happy to do this. The Blazers get rid of one of their bad contracts but gain an even worse one but could be heavily compensated for doing so. My dream is that after making this trade the Lakers strike out this summer and still suck in 2019-20 making their pick a high lottery one.

Trade #2
Hawks get Jordan Clarkson
Lakers get $75,000 cash from Atlanta
Blazers get Miles Plumlee (Using the TPE), and the better of the Hawks extra 1st rounders this year between Minnesota and Houston

This trade also could work between just us and Atlanta if they don't want Clarkson. The Lakers get more cap relief. Hawks get out of their worst contract. Blazers get another pick.

So now you might be thinking, why on earth would we add all these picks instead of improving the team now? First off, I don't think this really makes the team any worse than they already are but now they have a huge stockpile of assets. Plus they would be able to use the tax-payer MLE this season still for someone who is bought out and this summer. If they can just get through next year in good shape then in the summer of 2019 they'd have an incredible amount of trade pieces.

The contracts of Turner, Leonard, Plumlee, and Deng would all be huge expiring contracts at that point.

They'd have a bunch of (hopefully) promising young players on rookie deals including Collins, Swanigan, two players selected in the 2018 1st round, one player from the 2018 2nd round (likely a stash), one player from the 2019 1st round, and two players from the 2019 2nd round. Plus they'd have all of their own picks at that point and still have an unprotected 1st rounder from the Lakers (who will still suck). We would have just about any type of offer for trades that other team's would be looking for at that point. If Olshey found a good wing with just one of those 6 picks then we'd be set. The more quality those picks produce the better. Worst case scenario we just wait for contracts to expire and make a run at someone in the summer of 2020 like Kawhi Leonard or Jimmy Butler.

I know this really sounds like it is wasting at least a year and a half of Lillard's prime but I just don't see a logical way out of the position we are in and into contention this year or next year anyway so we not be primed to pounce whenever the next opportunity to get a Paul George or whoever becomes available? Right now it's pretty clear we don't have those pieces, short of another GM gifting us a lopsided trade.
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If only the Knicks were willing to part with a future pick with Noahs contract. Would rather not help LAL land LeBron.
 
BonesJones said:
If only the Knicks were willing to part with a future pick with Noahs contract. Would rather not help LAL land LeBron.
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That's the beauty of it though. LA thinks they are going to get LeBron but I can't see him going there and they would've just given away a bunch of stuff for nothing. They could still be terrible in 2019-20.
 
After watching Jabari’s return tonight we need to offer picks and any player not named Dame/CJ/Zach to get him. He’s our best shot at a 3rd star in our current situation. Make it happen Neil.
 
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Or here’s a crazy trade, not sure if we get better really, maybe a little.

Nurk/Davis
Gordon/Zach
Fournier/Turner
Pat/Turner
Dame/Napier

Meh
 
DO YOU HAVE THE BALLS???

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