Cronin - GM of the Year? Discuss

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He turned around the fortunes of this franchise, Dame’s displeasure, his own reputation, the age of this team, a guard heavy rotation, the ghost of Neil Olshey, and a mediocre center issue, in one fell swoop.

And he added a heaping teaspoon of Miami comeuppance and Schadenfreude to boot!

Whose going to top that?
 
Saw an article that mentions this somewhere. Yes I'd put money on that bet, he is probably the favorite thus far. Many fellow GMs in the league hated the 1 team list and pressure he had to accept less only from Miami. He'll get a lot of votes for successfully navigating that. So big props for the Dame haul, especially if some things happen such as Ayton/Williams play good, the Warriors struggle, Brogdon gets value in a trade, Scoot having a ROY quality year, etc.

Also depends what other teams do as well, if Bucks Celtics Suns Lakers run far away with the best record one of their GMs could get it.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Saw an article that mentions this somewhere. Yes I'd put money on that bet, he is probably the favorite thus far. Many fellow GMs in the league hated the 1 team list and pressure he had to accept less only from Miami. He'll get a lot of votes for successfully navigating that. So big props for the Dame haul, especially if some things happen such as Ayton/Williams play good, the Warriors struggle, Brogdon gets value in a trade, Scoot having a ROY quality year, etc.

Also depends what other teams do as well, if Bucks Celtics Suns Lakers run far away with the best record one of their GMs could get it.
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So outside of the Lakers, you're basically saying it's either Cronin or someone he traded with.

Yeah, I'm down with that.
 
I hope he gets it. Even just being Runner up would be an accolade he can wear proudly.

He sure went from being weakest link to Anchor and righting this ship at least on paper. Still the book has just started. Let's see how it reads at the end of this year's campaign.
 
AquaXI said:
I hope he gets it. Even just being Runner up would be an accolade he can wear proudly.

He sure went from being weakest link to Anchor and righting this ship at least on paper. Still the book has just started. Let's see how it reads at the end of this year's campaign.
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Speaking of the weak link.

Some people have said that Anfernee Simons is the last piece of the Olshey puzzle.

Actually there are two last pieces: Anfernee Simons and Chauncey Billups.

Sounds like the Blazers want to keep Simons.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Billups. He has seemed to do well with a younger lineup and more movement in the offense. Even though he was an Olshey hire to coach veterans, he might turn out to be much better with the current roster.
 
I'm pretty amazed at what Joe has pulled off. It may be seasons off, but I have hopes for the team being competitive again for the first time since Aldridge left, so massive kudos to Cronin. For him to win EotY though he'll probably need to have an accomplishment closer to the voting... Henderson winning Rookie of the Year would do it

STOMP
 
A bunch are coming around.
Been said a number of times that Joe Cronin is usually the smartest guy in the room.
 
Cronin has learned the Riddle of Steal (how one fleeces Boston right before camp). Now Crom willing, he will flip Brogdon for more assets and become King.
 
I'm just glad Olshey is gone. Just look at how hard he banked on Aminu and Harkless....two guys who played their way out of the league shortly after leaving Portland. He kept that core together too long, dealt how many first round picks for basically nothing, over-paid players like crazy, and didn't keep the players he did hit on like Connoughton.
 
It's easier to tear down a team than it is to build one up.

Given the circumstances, he did well.

But the fact that the best player in franchise history is gone because of his ineptitude and overpromising should not be dismissed.
 
illmatic99 said:
It's easier to tear down a team than it is to build one up.

Given the circumstances, he did well.

But the fact that the best player in franchise history is gone because of his ineptitude and overpromising should not be dismissed.
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Oh my GAWD how the F are people still saying this? Again, WHAT TRADE DID CRONIN PASS ON?!?!!?!?!? The only rumored trade was the #3 and Simons for OG which it seems the Raps rejected and asked for Sharpe to be included. This perfectly fits the Masai MO of being a Fantasy League lopsided trader, or back out at the last second.

In Cronin's what now, just under 2 seasons, what major mistake did he make, other than Roco and Norm? Answer, he didn't. He got us off CJ's horrible deal and ended up getting multiple firsts (counting the Josh Hart 1st). He has cleared out all the Olshey deadwood (Nurk, etc.) and added the two best propsects since Dame. We have the best young core we have had since LMA/Roy, all Cronin's doing, but yeah, since Cronin took over 12/2021 he REALLY should be blamed for not keeping Dame. Let's ignore the Henry Abbot Libel worthy claim if false, that this Dame exit was planned by Goodwin for years. Let's ignore the zero trades of note other than OG Anounby and let's straight up make out of whole cloth phantom trades that Cronin mismanaged. It was Olshey, it was ALWAYS Olshey. Just stop!
 
blazerfan11 said:
Speaking of the weak link.

Some people have said that Anfernee Simons is the last piece of the Olshey puzzle.

Actually there are two last pieces: Anfernee Simons and Chauncey Billups.

Sounds like the Blazers want to keep Simons.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Billups. He has seemed to do well with a younger lineup and more movement in the offense. Even though he was an Olshey hire to coach veterans, he might turn out to be much better with the current roster.
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I have many serious concerns about Billups ever being a contending coach.

But that's totally irrelevant right now, he needs to develop young guys and have buy in from his players. Strategic X O, ability to win games, etc just don't matter at this time.
 
illmatic99 said:
It's easier to tear down a team than it is to build one up.

Given the circumstances, he did well.

But the fact that the best player in franchise history is gone because of his ineptitude and overpromising should not be dismissed.
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It wasn't his ineptitude that caused this, it was Olsheys.
 
illmatic99 said:
It's easier to tear down a team than it is to build one up.

Given the circumstances, he did well.

But the fact that the best player in franchise history is gone because of his ineptitude and overpromising should not be dismissed.
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False, Dame is not gone because of Cronin ineptitude.

Dame wanted a chance to contend and there was zero path for Cronin to do it in the timeframe Dame wanted.
 
I don't really want to relitigate all of it but some of you need to rewatch Cronin's exit interview from 6 months ago.

Clearly Joe has done well after Goodwin and Dame torpedeoed any leverage the team had.

But this award is usually going to teams that overachieve. And I don't see the need to overly sing praises when we will probably finish 12-15 in the conference this season. Especially when Joe contributed to building the roster that got us to this place.
 
Cronin had a shaky start with that Powell/RoCo deal (I always thought putting them together was a mistake, that they had more value separately, but honestly, I'm Sgt. Schultz). I thought the CJ trade was not terrible, but not great. I actually loved the GPII deal and thought he fleeced Myers. I also liked the Josh Hart trade.

There's no more difficult feat as a GM than to navigate what Cronin did this summer, and he acquitted himself well. Part of me thinks MIL may be a bit annoyed because they didn't move Jrue themselves before the deal. We likely would have accepted less for Lillard than we recouped with Jrue. Also, there's no way they would have sent him to Boston.

Let's see what he does with Brogdon and if Williams stays healthy. However, he seems to be finding his sea legs as a trade negotiator.

Now the spotlight goes to Schmitz to see what he can do with that draft capital. Hopefully, he doesn't get poached by another team before he can turn those picks into players.
 
Oh, FFS.

I do not see things like most of you. I judge his performance by the body of his work as a GM.

First year was a shit show. Second year uninspired. I believe that Dame resigned believing false promises. That aside, I believe that almost any other GM could have traded one of the best guards in the league and ended up with what we have acquired.
 
DaLincolnJones said:
Oh, FFS.

I do not see things like most of you. I judge his performance by the body of his work as a GM.

First year was a shit show. Second year uninspired. I believe that Dame resigned believing false promises. That aside, I believe that almost any other GM could have traded one of the best guards in the league and ended up with what we have acquired.
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This is it. Wholeheartedly agree.
 
illmatic99 said:
But the fact that the best player in franchise history is gone because of his ineptitude and overpromising should not be dismissed.
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Did he overpromise? Yes.

I would like you to provide some examples of ineptitude.

Outside of the Clippers trade and the GPII signing, I think Joe has done very well.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Did he overpromise? Yes.

I would like you to provide some examples of ineptitude.

Outside of the Clippers trade and the GPII signing, I think Joe has done very well.
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Please don't make me relitigate.

My opinions on our moves have been posted ad nauseum in this forum over the past two years when we prioritized $ over wins. And when we knowingly made our rosters worse.

Hell, you complained about them at the time. Just kinda funny to see the change in tune.
 
He promised to build around dame, he never said it would be immediate. I don't buy the overpriced claim. That man, in my book, has done an excellent job. He turned a roster with no hope to a roster we can be excited for in 18 months. You can not turn a roster with minimal assets on a dime in the NBA, joe did it super quick. Celebrate it.

And if you are a dame fan first, you get to see him on a contender. Joe delivered for you there as well.
 
maxiep said:
I disagree https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https://a.espncdn.com/media/pg2/2005/0629/photo/john_nash_275.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=deef4792d872b1f55dce2c96fc543a09236a08ad8eb2e6562e058de3d9e8eab4&ipo=images
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You know what they say about opinions and ass holes. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.

To say that Joe in GM of the year material, is like saying that a TV dinner is the best thing you have ever eaten. Just because it is hot and fills an immediate need, does not make it so.
 
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