Da Vince Code/The Muhammed cartoon

[Hang Eleven]

Why is it that everyone gets real worked up when Christians say they should boycott the Da Vince Code movie, yet no one says anything when Muslims go burning buildings and uttering death threats because of the Muhammed picture? I mean, the government of Denmark had to apologize, yet no such thing for the Christians.

 

[PacMan]

Are you against Islam or something ?

 

[Rok]

I'm sort of lost here but are you saying why aren't Muslims burning buildings/issuing death threats not getting the same attention that Christians boycotting the Da Vinci Code are? Because I think they are, the Da Vinci Code/Christian thing really was that big of a deal, most people knew it was a bunch of crap and didn't take it seriously. But I don't think it got more attention then what happened with the Muhammed picture. I've heard both on the news and talked about.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

Thats because we expect Christians not to act as violently and stupid as those extreme muslims. It's apples and oranges.I think those muslims got ripped harder than the nutty Christians did...but everyone acted all politicly correct with the Muslims so they would just go away.

 

[Hang Eleven]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Are you against Islam or something ?</div>Is it illegal here to voice my opinion?

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 14 2006, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats because we expect Christians not to act as violently and stupid as those extreme muslims. It's apples and oranges.</div>This is the answer.I'm not anti-Islam, but it is absolutely ridiculous how they reacted to this. If you want to burn stuff, go ahead, whatever. Blow stuff up, for all I care. But why do you attack people who support your argument? Bush and others in his administration said that it was wrong what happened, yet the US still was accused of not supporting Islam in this. They just look for anything to kill people; it's sick and sad. Worse than that, what's more hypocritical than suicide bombing to protest a bombhat Mohammed drawing?Christians don't react the same way. They voice their opinions and move on, because that's the way their faith tells them to act. If they do anything worse, it's because they are nutso, not because their religion supports it. There have been much worse parodies of Jesus in the media (see: Jesus Christ, Vampire Hunter (movie) and Raptor Jesus (internet meme)), yet you don't see Christians blowing up stuff over that, do ya?There was a good 2 parter on South Park that satirized this situation.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yozo @ Jun 15 2006, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is it illegal here to voice my opinion?</div> Don't listen to him...he's an idiot. I'm against islam. What do you think of that Mixx?

 

[ReppinTheD]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 15 2006, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't listen to him...he's an idiot. I'm against islam. What do you think of that Mixx?</div>He shouldnt think anything of it - you aren't anyone important for him to care whether you're for or against Islam.

 

[BigMo763]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 15 2006, 05:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Christians don't react the same way. They voice their opinions and move on, because that's the way their faith tells them to act. If they do anything worse, it's because they are nutso, not because their religion supports it.</div>Yeah, but I would once again like to point out that Islam also tells its followers to react peacefully, except in certain extreme situations. I pointed out in another thread that those idiots in the Middle East who are going around killing people are not true followers of Islam. They are the extremists who are falsely twisting the words of the religion in order to "justify" their own vendetta against their enemies. They are the few (less than 5% of all Muslims) crazy people who, unfortunately, are giving all Muslims a bad name.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 15 2006, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't listen to him...he's an idiot. I'm against islam. What do you think of that Mixx?</div>Mixx, don't listen to him... he's an idiot too.

 

[Hang Eleven]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>that Islam also tells its followers to react peacefully, except in certain extreme situations.</div>What are extreme circumstances? A cartoon is an extreme circumstance?

 

[BigMo763]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yozo @ Jun 16 2006, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What are extreme circumstances? A cartoon is an extreme circumstance?</div>No, I never stated that the cartoon was an extreme circumstance. The circumstances that the Quran talks about is if there is a physical attack against the religion and/or the prophet, and then it also states to try various other peaceful methods PRIOR to resorting to violence.I covered all this in that "Is Islam evil?" thread a few weeks ago...Jeez, before people are so quick to judge a certain religion, why not take the time to read the Quran (or even parts of it) instead of relying on quotes taken out of context and the biased media coverage. I'm not talking about you personally, but there have been so many of these types of threads, and then when their little theories are discredited they just shut-up for a few weeks and then start it up again. You just can't explain things to some people...Again, like I have said so many times, less than 5% of Muslims in the world are committing these terroristic and evil actions, yet the entire religion is now perceived to be evil. But hey, I guess the fact that there are the same amount of Christians out there committing heinous actions doesn't mean Christianity is evil, right? Talk about double-standard (and obviously media bias plays a role in it).

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jun 16 2006, 03:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again, like I have said so many times, less than 5% of Muslims in the world are committing these terroristic and evil actions, yet the entire religion is now perceived to be evil. But hey, I guess the fact that there are the same amount of Christians out there committing heinous actions doesn't mean Christianity is evil, right? Talk about double-standard (and obviously media bias plays a role in it).</div>Is there any proof of this, or are you just saying it? I've seen it thrown around these forums, but no citation for what study this comes from.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

Yeah..you know...all those extreme Christian groups killing hundreds of people with bombs, I wish the U.S. and western media would stop covering them up.

 

[Blaze]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yozo @ Jun 14 2006, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why is it that everyone gets real worked up when Christians say they should boycott the Da Vince Code movie, yet no one says anything when Muslims go burning buildings and uttering death threats because of the Muhammed picture? I mean, the government of Denmark had to apologize, yet no such thing for the Christians.</div>Because people like the movie you fuckface.

 

[BigMo763]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jun 16 2006, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is there any proof of this, or are you just saying it? I've seen it thrown around these forums, but no citation for what study this comes from.</div>It was an an article that was posted a month or two ago I believe...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 16 2006, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah..you know...all those extreme Christian groups killing hundreds of people with bombs, I wish the U.S. and western media would stop covering them up.</div>Yeah... you know... I already covered this in the other thread, nobody had anything to say after I posted it, so if you want you can just go right ahead and look it up again.

 

[Waqas]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 14 2006, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats because we expect Christians not to act as violently and stupid as those extreme muslims. It's apples and oranges.I think those muslims got ripped harder than the nutty Christians did...but everyone acted all politicly correct with the Muslims so they would just go away.</div>Extreme Muslims? How many are there? Probably less than 15,000...<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jun 15 2006, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't listen to him...he's an idiot. I'm against islam. What do you think of that Mixx?</div>Why are you against Islam? It means peace...<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">ALRITE, LET ME TELL YOU WHY CONSIDERING ISLAM AS EXTREMISM IS BAD...</span>Most people would agree there are less than 50,000 terrorists on this planet that call themselves Muslim. More like 30,000, but whatever.So people call Muslims extremists. (look at the replies I quoted)...and in America, there are probably tens of thousands of criminals..."Also in 2004, there were a reported 590,258 arrests for all violent crimes and 1,649,825 arrests for all property crimes, out of a total 14,004,327 arrests for all offenses." -http://www.drugwarfacts.org/crime.htmAnd in America..."Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%" -http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.htmlSo we can assume most of the crimes are commited by Christians...so why can't I call America a criminalized-country? Exactly.

 

[Rok]

How about enough of this Christians/Muslims bullcrap. You all have your own beliefs, quit arguing about it, because there's no end to it, so what's the point. No religion is above any other.

 

[Fabolous]

i remember someone here told me religion brought people together.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. people are fighting about it all the time. i completely support BigMo on this subject.MVP poster BigMo

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jun 16 2006, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It was an an article that was posted a month or two ago I believe...</div>That doesn't narrow it down for me much.

 

[ReppinTheD]

Ok - put this whole argument to the side and look at the real fact(s):Muslim's can NOT kill, or harm any innocent person - those who do are simply NOT Muslim! This is FACT!Those terrorists (in Iraq for example) who claim that they are killing for the sake of their religion or their "Jihad" are totally wrong - they are simply killing because they believe that they are the enemies. They are NOT Muslim.also a FACT!Most importantly: the religion of Islam does not preach hate, or violence! FACT!

 

[Waqas]

<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">Fighting in Islam...</span>2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.2.192. Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear Allah and remain conscious that Allah is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">To the Haters of the Quran</span> Even if a Quran caused mountains to move, the earth to tear asunder or the dead to speak, the disbelievers would not believe. The believers would better give up and realize that if God willed, He could have guided all mankind. (13:31)When God substitutes one revelation in place of another, the disbelievers conclude without knowing that the Quran is a human's work. But whether they believe it or not, it is the Holy Spirit who has brought it down from the almighty, truthfully, to provide good news for the submitters. (16:101-102)If it's a human fabrication. Then why do they not produce ten chapters fabricated and call on everyone they can beside God, if they tell the truth. (11:13)Even when the disbelievers accept to follow the Quran, they accept it only partially. Surly God will question them about what they have been doing. (15:91)They ask, " Why has not the Quran been revealed to the prophet all at once?" But the Most wise wanted to release it to his prophet gradually, in order to fix it in his memory and to strengthen his heart with it. (25:32)Some disbelievers never listen to the Quran and try to distort it, that they may win. God will certainly afflict them with a severe retribution for their evil works. (41:26-27)Some people were wondering why it was not sent down through another man who was prominent. In fact God knows where to assign his mercy better than them. (43:31-32)The Quran is a decisive statement. It is no Joke. It shouldn't be taken lightly. The disbelievers plot and scheme, and so does God. He just puts up with them for a short respite. (86:13-17)The only religion approved by God is "Submission." Ironically, those who have received the scripture are the ones who dispute this fact, despite the knowledge they have received, due to jealousy. For such rejectors of God's revelations, God is most strict in reckoning. (3:19)

 

[BrewCityBuck]

[quote name='ReppinTheD' post='92506' date='Jun 17 2006, 03:55 AM']Ok - put this whole argument to the side and look at the real fact(s):Muslim's can NOT kill, or harm any innocent person - those who do are simply NOT Muslim! This is FACT!Those terrorists (in Iraq for example) who claim that they are killing for the sake of their religion or their "Jihad" are totally wrong - they are simply killing because they believe that they are the enemies. They are NOT Muslim.also a FACT!Most importantly: the religion of Islam does not preach hate, or violence! FACT![/quote] Yes, the Quran preaches violence against non-believers.

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)

And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)

ANNOUNCE PAINFUL PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3)

FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14)

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. (9:73)

I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE. O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day - unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company - then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy) but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; (8:12-17)

I honestly don't care about this because most muslims are good, but can't deny this.

 

[ReppinTheD]

oh and btw... doe sthis mean that all christians are crazy satan worshippers like her? This opnion stated by the lady is of a church...http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2686.htmlyea so after listening to that one christian - all christians to me are crazy like that , I mean how can you even do that? How can you further attack the families of deceased soldiers like that? that's evil...wow all christians are evil!

 

[BrewCityBuck]

They are not Christians or from a real church, it's ONE FAMILY who has it's own little church...it's a group of 20 or so people.

 

[ReppinTheD]

It may be a family who started this, but it has christian believers - it's a growing belief with a church and followers.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Jun 17 2006, 04:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It may be a family who started this, but it has christian believers - it's a growing belief with a church and followers.</div> How is it a growing belief? What proof do you have.

 

[ReppinTheD]

Because it started off with a family, and now the number of believers has gotten a lot larger - and I know it's more than 20 people, it's a church, a church can't consist of only 20 people.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Jun 17 2006, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because it started off with a family, and now the number of believes has gotten a lot larger - and I know it's more than 20 people, it's a church, a church can't consist of only 20 people.</div> Your wrong, it's still a small family church of 20 people, they get death threats not people agreeing with them, it's just a small family gathering. They interviewed the lead women on Sean Hannity and she talked about it. You stating that it's a growing group and that people are joining is just a sick lie. What proof do you have that the group is getting larger?

 

[ReppinTheD]

Also, Im not in a position to comment on the cutout phrases of the Quran - but I know for sure that you can't interpret anything by just reading a paragraph or a line. This is for anything.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Jun 17 2006, 04:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, Im not in a position to comment on the cutout phrases of the Quran - but I know for sure that you can't interpret anything by just reading a paragraph or a line. This is for anything.</div> Figures...apparently 'death to non-believers' can be interpreted differently.

Oh, and I would like to know where you got your information on that family church group growing...seems like you just made it up.