BrewCityBuck
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, the Quran does not take kindly to "disbelievers," but what you are failing to see is that the Quran teaches us not to go around killing people UNLESS our religion is being oppressed and persecuted, and we are only allowed to use violence IF EVERY PEACEFUL ATTEMPT has failed, and there is ABSOLUTELY no other choice.</div> Your seeing this in YOUR point of view. Many Muslims in the middleeast feel they have no choice and they have no other alternatives because the USA is on their land in Saudi Arabia and that Islam is under attack. See how this can be interpreted differently by different people? What you said above is blury and in my mind justifies what a lot of terrorists are doing, thank god the bible doesn't include anything like that.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jun 18 2006, 05:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I know you didn't imply that, but there have been numerous people on this board, and some of them have posted in this topic, that have previously made clear their belief that Islam is evil, and those were the people whose my post was directed towards.Obviously the number of Islamic extremists doesn't equal the number of Christian extremists, but the fact of the matter remains that there ARE Christian terrorist attacks that have taken place throughout history, and that still take place today, yet they aren't given the same media coverage that the Muslim terrorists are given because of the fact that we are currently at War with the Islamic terrorists. To deny that Christians have never committed terrorist actions, or that they still don't, is just plain ignorant. Every religion has shed blood, and every religion has blood on their hands.The Muslim supporters may be higher in number, but that doesn't mean that Islam is an evil religion by sheer nature. I also don't think it is fair to say that Islam is evil simply because a small portion of the religion's followers commit terrorist actions... especially when the vast majority of the religion's followers are peaceful. If the roots of Islam, and the religion in general, was/is indeed evil, then wouldn't the vast majority of Muslims be out killing and committing terrorist acts? If Islam is truly evil, then why is it that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful? Those are two questions that I would really like BCB to answer...</div> I never said Islam is evil, i'm just pointing out that it's not a peacefull religion and that text in the Quran justifies terrorist acts, which it does. I believe most people are generally good, most muslims are not 100% faithfull and would never commit jihad, most muslims just think that killing is wrong and wouldn't do it. Like with killing disbelievers who are 'attacking islam'...it depends on the person, if that person believes we are attacking islam or not...Islam is not evil but if you ask most people if they want to blow up buildings and spend their lives in prison or be killed, most people would choose not. Again I don't think Islam is evil.
Just a little fact for you... Muslims can't do whatever we want in America. Yes, we still have all our rights, etc., but we are still labeled as terrorists. Every time we go to the airports, guess what? We are the ones stopped for the "random" searches, and thats not all. I'm not saying we are being denied our rights or whatever, because we're not, but there are these small little things that have changed because of 9/11.The difference between being a Christian and living in a Muslim country and being a Muslim and living in America is the way the country is run. The main reason for the terrorists existence is because the government benefits from their existence (in that respective country), or they share the same evil view. So, obviously the government over there is going to protect them and harbor them, and thus will share the same views as them, otherwise they would not have allowed them to exist or they would be taking some measures to try and get rid of them. If President Bush shared the views of the KKK, he would be rounding up all the African Americans right now, wouldn't he? That's the difference... those countries in the Middle East are screwed up from the top down. Why do you think Bush wanted to hold free elections over there? To give the people a say... and to prevent evil "dynasties" to continually run those countries.Alright, so then when I have repeatedly stated and showed evidence that the Quran says hundreds and thousands of times to be peaceful, accept other religions and regard them as true and valid, that Allah is most merciful and gives the nonbelievers numerous and countless chances to repent and indeed accept Islam and the existence of Allah before he punishes them in the afterlife... why then is that any different from what you're saying? If you don't believe what the Quran says, despite the evidence straight from the Quran, then you shouldn't believe what the Bible says. If you do... that's called ignorance.Another thing, if evilbible.com uses the "worst sounding" version of the text, and thus cannot be regarded as a legitimate source, then I can find you things that are wrong with every "evilquran" or "evilislam" site out there, yet you would still call most, if not all, of them legitimate sources. Once again... ignorance.Wow, I didn't know you could hear me speak from across the internet! Anyway, enough sarcasm. Yes, we are allowed to DEFEND ourselves and our religion if we are continually persecuted in a violent fashion, and every peaceful option to suppress the persecution has failed. What is so wrong with that? So, if somebody was gathering up all the Christians and killing them (I'm using an extreme example here), you wouldn't try to defend yourself AT ALL, because according to you the Bible doesn't allow you to kill nonbelievers?That's fine with me... you can keep lumping all Muslims into one category, and regarding the ENTIRE religion and ALL it's followers as evil simply because of what the terrorists are doing, despite the fact that the majority of Muslims are peaceful. If you want to keep your ignorant views despite all the evidence that refutes a lot of what you have said, well, then go right ahead.Go read the Quran, take some time and actually put forth the effort to learn what Islam is all about. Obviously, the Quran is long and will take a while to read, but if you are truly interested in expanding your views, as you have stated, then why not read it? You will clearly understand everything I am saying if you actually took the time out to read the Quran in its entirety, and studed other books that us Muslims have grown up studying. But hey... who wants to put forth the effort when we can just listen to the media and think everything they say is true!