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Teams with tons of “ talent” are out already. Playoffs are their own thing. Nobody here thought Miami would be where they are. Coaching and smart roster construction, not flashy, is the most important factor. I can say for certain I know nothing and would venture most here dont either.
 
SwissBlazer said:
Are we sure Dame's narrative didn't shift after the successful lottery for us? I mean if we had the 7th pick and some Cam Whitemore, it would make totally sense to trade the pick and maybe some future 1sts. But now that we are picking 3rd with a chance to have a potential cornerstone and a player (Scoot) who played already two years against men, is it really the same thing? I would hear Dame on this.
And by the way he put us a little bit in a corner with his statement with teams knowing about his demands.
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Funny part of that post is Cam Whitmore might be the second or third best player in the draft.
 
Cugel said:
Teams with tons of “ talent” are out already. Playoffs are their own thing. Nobody here thought Miami would be where they are. Coaching and smart roster construction, not flashy, is the most important factor. I can say for certain I know nothing and would venture most here dont either.
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Miami was in the finals a few years ago and the conference finals last year. So they're not really a huge surprise. Maybe they weren't favored, but they clearly have been at a level the Blazers haven't for 23 years.

"Smart" roster construction probably starts with two all NBA players that are excellent on both sides of the ball. Blazers have zero.
 
Miami was 8th so it is surprising to me they are two wins from the finals. They destroyed MIL
 
Cugel said:
Teams with tons of “ talent” are out already. Playoffs are their own thing. Nobody here thought Miami would be where they are. Coaching and smart roster construction, not flashy, is the most important factor. I can say for certain I know nothing and would venture most here dont either.
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I agree that most here think you know nothing :angel:
 
I think the Blazers end up sending 3 and Ant to Orlando for 6, 11 and Carter jr

Then trading 6 and 11 for OG

Then signing Naz Reid….who I know Schmitz loves

Assuming their play for Bridges falls through, who is their top target
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think the Blazers end up sending 3 and Ant to Orlando for 6, 11 and Carter jr

Then trading 6 and 11 for OG

Then signing Naz Reid….who I know Schmitz loves

Assuming their play for Bridges falls through, who is their top target
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I do not believe OG will be moved, simply because he seems like he fits next to Barnes better than Pascal, but even if he is, this means 3 and Ant for Carter Jr and OG which seems like an overpay.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think the Blazers end up sending 3 and Ant to Orlando for 6, 11 and Carter jr

Then trading 6 and 11 for OG

Then signing Naz Reid….who I know Schmitz loves

Assuming their play for Bridges falls through, who is their top target
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If we end up with \6 and 11 and trade those picks for OG then we are really dumb
 
A week ago we were talking Ant/3 for Brown, now it’s WCJ? Depressing.
 
I will be so pissed if we trade the pick just to trade it and get back less or even slightly less value and Miller becomes an all star in 3 years. Of course I don’t believe the current owner, gm, or coach will still be here to hold accountable so what the fuck ever. I fully expect to be underwhelmed this offseason
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think the Blazers end up sending 3 and Ant to Orlando for 6, 11 and Carter jr

Then trading 6 and 11 for OG

Then signing Naz Reid….who I know Schmitz loves

Assuming their play for Bridges falls through, who is their top target
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The ORL deal as suggested would be solid (despite @LayneStaley's protestations), and Naz Reid world be a fantastic signing. At that point, Nurk would have effectively been replaced and would clearly need to go, though I have no idea if there's a market for him.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think the Blazers end up sending 3 and Ant to Orlando for 6, 11 and Carter jr

Then trading 6 and 11 for OG

Then signing Naz Reid….who I know Schmitz loves

Assuming their play for Bridges falls through, who is their top target
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I like the first part of your plan but smh at the second as thats way too much for OG. IMO he's a pretty average wing with consistent issues staying healthy. I'd much rather let the scouting staff roll the dice with those picks in this deep draft and pull a future starter and rotation player or package one of those picks with Nurk's overbloated salary for something useful now that he's been replaced by WCJ.

STOMP
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think the Blazers end up sending 3 and Ant to Orlando for 6, 11 and Carter jr

Then trading 6 and 11 for OG

Then signing Naz Reid….who I know Schmitz loves

Assuming their play for Bridges falls through, who is their top target
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In that scenario whose contracts would Totonto take for matching salaries for OG? Nurk would be perfect but they really like Poeltl. Do they want both?
 
LayneStaley said:
A week ago we were talking Ant/3 for Brown, now it’s WCJ? Depressing.
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To be fair... It's WCJ (who makes Nurk tradeable), OG who... ehhh, but is at least a starter, and hopefully 6 or 11 retained (agree with the others who say that both picks for OG would be awful). And this is all potentially as some fallout from the Miller situation which may be devaluing the 3rd pick a touch?

Hopefully the package "for OG" could become "for Pascal" or other better options...

It's not a 2nd star, but WCJ, OG, a lotto pick and the ability to move Nurk + future picks seems to check a lot of boxes for what many of us were wanting (bolstered bench, added talent, etc.). It also continues the dual timeline building, given WCJ, OG, lotto pick's age...

Don't love it, but we could do worse, is what I'm saying.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Wow. Now THAT is a hot take.
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it's not that hot, I've been saying it for weeks, and moving up to 3rd has made it less likely, not more likely, IMO. I have always assumed the ancillary asset(s) needed on top of the 3rd pick will make it too costly to move.

* Masai Ujiri in Toronto, by all accounts, is an idiot. And it very well may be that HJ was right when he said Portland will have nothing to do with Toronto after the OG discussions a year ago. I don't think the Blazers are alone in that view either. There's been a ton of chatter for two years about Toronto needing and wanting to trade players, and they haven't moved anybody of note yet

* while I think Brooklyn's stance of not being interested in trading Bridges is in part, setting a reserve price as a starting point, I have always thought they'd ask way too much

* and while I think Brown has been the most 'obtainable', I still think the price will be too high considering there's no chance for a S&T and the risk of him walking

but there's another reason for the difference we have in perspective: I do not believe Cronin and Schmitz are idiots; and I don't believe Dame is blind and unreasonable. All that's not to say the 3 won't be moved. I just think the odds are against it just like I thought Portland was not going to move 7 last year. Picks are at their lowest value in years and prime top end talent is at it's highest
 
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wizenheimer said:
it's not that hot, I've been saying it for weeks, and moving up to 3rd has made it less likely, not more likely, IMO. I have always assumed the ancillary asset(s) needed on top of the 3rd pick will make it too costly to move.

* Masai Ujiri in Toronto, by all accounts, is an idiot. And it very well may be that HJ was right when he said Portland will have nothing to do with Toronto after the OG discussions a year ago. I don't think the Blazers are alone in that view either. There's been a ton of chatter for two years about Toronto needing and wanting to trade players, and they haven't moved anybody of not yet

* while I think Brooklyn's stance of not being interested in trading Bridges is in part, setting a reserve price as a starting point, I have always thought they'd ask way too much

* and while I think Brown has been the most 'obtainable', I still think the price will be too high considering there's no chance for a S&T and the risk of him walking

but there's another reason for the difference we have in perspective: I do not believe Cronin and Schmitz are idiots; and I don't believe Dame is blind and unreasonable. All that's not to say the 3 won't be moved. I just think the odds are against it just like I thought Portland was not going to move 7 last year. Picks are at their lowest value in years and prime top end talent is at it's highest
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Somewhat of a minor quibble, since I agree with the larger premise that drafting and keeping #3 is a fairly likely outcome, but Masai Ujiri is anything but an idiot. I can promiseyou that. If anything he's too smart for his own good.

Is he brash? Definitely. Does he have an ego -- especially post-championship? Absolutely yes. Is he overplaying his hand with OG and Pascal and struggling to rebuild a foundation post-Kawhi? It certainly seems so. But I promise you he's not an idiot...
 
glazeduck said:
Somewhat of a minor quibble, since I agree with the larger premise that drafting and keeping #3 is a fairly likely outcome, but Masai Ujiri is anything but an idiot. I can promiseyou that. If anything he's too smart for his own good.

Is he brash? Definitely. Does he have an ego -- especially post-championship? Absolutely yes. Is he overplaying his hand with OG and Pascal and struggling to rebuild a foundation post-Kawhi? It certainly seems so. But I promise you he's not an idiot...
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ok...he's not an idiot, just acting like one when it comes to the value of his own assets vs other team's assets
 
TBpup said:
....+ #6/#11 and whomever you draft or what you get from them. Brown was for #3 AND we would have to include something else.
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He was cherry picking the trade to make it sound as bad as possible. Must mean it sounded good.
 
glazeduck said:
To be fair... It's WCJ (who makes Nurk tradeable), OG who... ehhh, but is at least a starter, and hopefully 6 or 11 retained (agree with the others who say that both picks for OG would be awful). And this is all potentially as some fallout from the Miller situation which may be devaluing the 3rd pick a touch?

Hopefully the package "for OG" could become "for Pascal" or other better options...

It's not a 2nd star, but WCJ, OG, a lotto pick and the ability to move Nurk + future picks seems to check a lot of boxes for what many of us were wanting (bolstered bench, added talent, etc.). It also continues the dual timeline building, given WCJ, OG, lotto pick's age...

Don't love it, but we could do worse, is what I'm saying.
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I think those moves would be a great offseason. Love to be able to keep #11. Add on another talent from #23 and I think that team has a window that opens in a year and stays open as long as Dame continues to excel.

Dame-Shaedon-OG-Grant-WCJ

Mays-Thybulle-Little-Walker-#11(Hendricks, Wallace, Hawkins, Lively)-Reddish-TWat-Eubanks-Badji-#23(Coulibaly, Nnaji, Vukcevic, Sasser)-#43(Jackson-Davis, Holmes-Prosper-Edey)

Move Nurk + Nas for a bag of game balls (backup center or backup pg)

I know it goes against Dame's demands, but this is an opportunity for this team like it hasn't had...maybe ever.
 
i would advocate using the Payton TPE along with 2nd(s) jn attempting to acquire delon wright from washington to secure vet defense and point guard for our back court rotation. wrights size, defensive chops and playmaking would allow him to play along side any of dame, shaedon or simons, depending on who is still here. i believe this veteran would be a satisfactory move to dame.
another vet whom i would like to pursue with part of the MLE would be torrey craig who has the size and 3-d skill sets to be another key bench piece at the 3/4.
the list of 4/5's would include jamicheal green, dario saric, and perhaps kevin love.
size at the straight 5 backup slot should be one of alex len, mason plumlee, thomas bryant or bismack biyumbo, all of whom should be reasonably priced vets available in free agency.
 
lawai'a said:
i would advocate using the Payton TPE along with 2nd(s) jn attempting to acquire delon wright from washington to secure vet defense and point guard for our back court rotation. wrights size, defensive chops and playmaking would allow him to play along side any of dame, shaedon or simons, depending on who is still here. i believe this veteran would be a satisfactory move to dame.
another vet whom i would like to pursue with part of the MLE would be torrey craig who has the size and 3-d skill sets to be another key bench piece at the 3/4.
the list of 4/5's would include jamicheal green, dario saric, and perhaps kevin love.
size at the straight 5 backup slot should be one of alex len, mason plumlee, thomas bryant or bismack biyumbo, all of whom should be reasonably priced vets available in free agency.
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It would be nice to put one of those TPE's to good use for once.
 
lawai'a said:
i would advocate using the Payton TPE along with 2nd(s) jn attempting to acquire delon wright from washington to secure vet defense and point guard for our back court rotation. wrights size, defensive chops and playmaking would allow him to play along side any of dame, shaedon or simons, depending on who is still here. i believe this veteran would be a satisfactory move to dame.
another vet whom i would like to pursue with part of the MLE would be torrey craig who has the size and 3-d skill sets to be another key bench piece at the 3/4.
the list of 4/5's would include jamicheal green, dario saric, and perhaps kevin love.
size at the straight 5 backup slot should be one of alex len, mason plumlee, thomas bryant or bismack biyumbo, all of whom should be reasonably priced vets available in free agency.
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Im thinking Little + Johnson to Detroit for Burks.

Burks is very underrated
 
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