Dame all but demanding vet roster

[blazerkor]

I’m sorry if we somehow we get top 3 pick I’m not trading for anything less than borderline superstar same for Sharpe. Unfortunately if that means Dame leaves I will be heartbroken but understand and will root for him no matter what team he goes to including Lakers (threw up in my mouth when I said that). We cannot sacrifice everything unless we are positive the trade makes us a contender. You rarely get chance at top 3 pick don’t blow this to make us mediocre

I'm sorry to let you know but you won't be making those decisions. I think the team has extremely high value put on Shaedon, so unless we're getting an MVP candidate back, I don't think you'll see him move. I think the team understands that not only will Wemby make an impact if healthy next season but he's a generational talent... so you don't have to worry about us trading the number one pick. I think if we aren't at number one that pick is as good as gone if they can put it in a package to get an all star that fills a need on this roster. Those are all assumptions I'm making but it doesn't matter what any of us want, they're going to do what they're going to do.

I don't want Dame traded but if Joe feels like no GMs out there are giving him fair value for our draft assets then I think Dame will get traded.

 

[tykendo]

We can't allow Dame to put us over a barrel with other GMs. Why couldn't he fucking wait to go on another crusade until AFTER the draft lottery. This shit just continues to undermine our ability to make trades AND WE CANT EVEN DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.

Get real . He was asked, and he answered. The Blazers need to go out and take hold of the flame. They got nothing to lose, but everything to gain. Don't tell me , oooh they're gonna sacrifice the future. What a future filled with One & Doners, who if they actually turn out to be good, leave Portland in the dust for the bright lights. Let it play out.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Oh, if it's about Dame's trade value then I get your point but I think if the team wanted Dame to he would wait until the trade deadline. Dude is not going to sit out games. If GMs start low balling Cronin, I wouldn't put it past Dame to go back on national television and tell everyone that he's going to play for the Blazers as long as it takes for the team to be in good shape. We're not talking about a selfish guy and although it's not what you want, I think the team will come through enough for Dame to stay. Dame wants to stay so if we trade every fucking pick we can and end up with Dame, Shae, Jerami, Siakam, a serviceable mobile big and a decent bench... then I think Dame will want to see what he can do with that.

Teams can only low ball if there isn’t other teams interested in trading for him. They’ll be plenty of teams wanting Dame and I don’t believe there’s much that can reduce his trade value. We will get a kings ransom for him assuming we don’t cave to let him playing for certain team, again I’d get a list of teams he wants to play for and then reach out to each and then take best deal. Win win situation for both Dame and Blazers

 

[Natebishop3]

Get real . He was asked, and he answered. The Blazers need to go out and take hold of the flame. They got nothing to lose, but everything to gain. Don't tell me , oooh they're gonna sacrifice the future. What a future filled with One & Doners, who if they actually turn out to be good, leave Portland in the dust for the bright lights. Let it play out.

He's going on shows with Stephen A

This isn't a post-game presser where he's answering questions. Homie is out there talking to the media.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I'm sorry to let you know but you won't be making those decisions. I think the team has extremely high value put on Shaedon, so unless we're getting an MVP candidate back, I don't think you'll see him move. I think the team understands that not only will Wemby make an impact if healthy next season but he's a generational talent... so you don't have to worry about us trading the number one pick. I think if we aren't at number one that pick is as good as gone if they can put it in a package to get an all star that fills a need on this roster. Those are all assumptions I'm making but it doesn't matter what any of us want, they're going to do what they're going to do.

I don't want Dame traded but if Joe feels like no GMs out there are giving him fair value for our draft assets then I think Dame will get traded.

You mean I’m not the GM well shit…lol. Of course I’m not making the decision, my point is if we get 2nd or 3rd pick I wouldn’t trade that pick unless it’s borderline superstar, same goes for Sharpe.

 

[blazerkor]

You mean I’m not the GM well shit…lol. Of course I’m not making the decision, my point is if we get 2nd or 3rd pick I wouldn’t trade that pick unless it’s borderline superstar, same goes for Sharpe.

I would want a borderline superstar if we're trading a package that includes the pick if it's pick two or three... hell even if it's pick four. I would want a superstar if any package included Shae because he's going to be a superstar.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I would want a borderline superstar if we're trading a package that includes the pick if it's pick two or three... hell even if it's pick four. I would want a superstar if any package included Shae because he's going to be a superstar.

Shae cannot go anywhere short of Giannis.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

If Wemby wasn’t number one everyone would be just as excited about this kid Scoot and wouldn’t want to trade him away. Legit think he’s combination Dwade/BRoy. Pair him with Sharpe and you have backcourt that in 2-3 years will be envy of NBA teams.

 

[HansenYang]

Probably. My preference would probably be Siakam.

Agreed. No Brown, yes to Siakam

 

[wizenheimer]

He's going on shows with Stephen A

This isn't a post-game presser where he's answering questions. Homie is out there talking to the media.

I think you're really exaggerating the impact of what Dame is saying to media

it's not like NBA front offices don't know that Cronin is on the clock. Cronin himself has been essentially saying the same thing as Dame

I think this season brought it home to Dame just how badly Olshey fucked up the roster as well as Portland's ability to get better. And after all the years of Dame essentially implying he's in Portland for the duration, Dame has realized that the chances of the Blazers building a contender with the assets they have, right now, is slim. So he's probably laying the groundwork for flip-flopping on all those years of ''next-year-will be-better" failure by the Blazer front office and Dame's never-ending patience

so yeah, this season following the tank of last season that followed Dame averaging 34 & 10 against Denver in the playoffs. The ice has worn extremely thin

as far as his trade value, after all this time if Portland starts shopping Dame the offers they get will reflect Dame telling the Blazers enough. No team would give Portland an extra draft pick if Dame hadn't talked to Haynes. It will be what it will be. And I think Portland has always been destined for a crappy return if they trade Dame

 

[TBpup]

If Wemby wasn’t number one everyone would be just as excited about this kid Scoot and wouldn’t want to trade him away. Legit think he’s combination Dwade/BRoy. Pair him with Sharpe and you have backcourt that in 2-3 years will be envy of NBA teams.

If Wemby wasn't in this Draft, the hype around Scoot would be insane!

 

[Natebishop3]

I think you're really exaggerating the impact of what Dame is saying to media

it's not like NBA front offices don't know that Cronin is on the clock. Cronin himself has been essentially saying the same thing as Dame

I think this season brought it home to Dame just how badly Olshey fucked up the roster as well as Portland's ability to get better. And after all the years of Dame essentially implying he's in Portland for the duration, Dame has realized that the chances of the Blazers building a contender with the assets they have, right now, is slim. So he's probably laying the groundwork for flip-flopping on all those years of ''next-year-will be-better" failure by the Blazer front office and Dame's never-ending patience

so yeah, this season following the tank of last season that followed Dame averaging 34 & 10 against Denver in the playoffs. The ice has worn extremely thin

as far as his trade value, after all this time if Portland starts shopping Dame the offers they get will reflect Dame telling the Blazers enough. No team would give Portland an extra draft pick if Dame hadn't talked to Haynes. It will be what it will be. And I think Portland has always been destined for a crappy return if they trade Dame

I guess we just disagree about this.

There's a massive difference between people privately knowing that Dame has expectations for this team, and Dame publicly going around and making it known to the world.

If someone is unhappy in their marriage, and people know they're unhappy, that's one thing.... but if they're out flirting with other chicks and telling people publicly that they're unhappy in their marriage, you would assume that they're a lot closer to divorce, no? Some people live with unhappiness for a while privately. Once they start openly voicing that displeasure, that's a red flag. I believe the popular phrase is: delete facebook, hit the gym, lawyer up....

 

[LayneStaley]

We can’t trade the 1 or 2 pick. I’ve said it before and got crucified on this board for it but as much as I love Dame when you pair Sharpe with a top pick in this draft and a HAUL in a Lillard trade it’s an easy decision. We are primed for a reset where we will actually have multiple young talented players to grow together.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

If Wemby wasn’t number one everyone would be just as excited about this kid Scoot and wouldn’t want to trade him away. Legit think he’s combination Dwade/BRoy. Pair him with Sharpe and you have backcourt that in 2-3 years will be envy of NBA teams.

If he's that good then they should trade Dame AND Ant away to pair with Shae.

 

[Natebishop3]

We can’t trade the 1 or 2 pick. I’ve said it before and got crucified on this board for it but as much as I love Dame when you pair Sharpe with a top pick in this draft and a HAUL in a Lillard trade it’s an easy decision. We are primed for a reset where we will actually have multiple young talented players to grow together.

Does Scoot and Sharpe vibe well together?

 

[LayneStaley]

If we trade Sharpe for some borderline all star vet that turns us into a 5-6 seed and 1-2 round exit for the next 3 years while Sharpe becomes a mega star I think that will be the straw for me. I understood it with JO back in the day cause our team was loaded, this one is not! We need TWO other all stars to compete for a chip. There is no way Cronin acquires that.

 

[LayneStaley]

Does Scoot and Sharpe vibe well together?

I would be so happy with that, then I would try to turn Ant/Future picks into a young Big.

 

[Hoopguru]

Would you trade Simons, Little and this years pick (Assuming it’s not #1) to Boston for Jaylen Brown?

I would if our pick is 5 or higher.
Brown is a stud on both ends....

 

[PtldPlatypus]

a HAUL in a Lillard trade

While I don't disagree in theory, the hard part is actually finding that haul. It's not as simple as you suggest.

 

[Natebishop3]

While I don't disagree in theory, the hard part is actually finding that haul. It's not as simple as you suggest.

Sure it is. Post Dame up on Facebook marketplace.

 

[BigGameDamian]

If Wemby wasn't in this Draft, the hype around Scoot would be insane!

If the Blazers get the #2 pick that would definitely be interesting. Trade Dame and draft Scoot or keep Dame, trade the pick and keep building around Dame?

 

[wizenheimer]

I guess we just disagree about this.

There's a massive difference between people privately knowing that Dame has expectations for this team, and Dame publicly going around and making it known to the world.

If someone is unhappy in their marriage, and people know they're unhappy, that's one thing.... but if they're out flirting with other chicks and telling people publicly that they're unhappy in their marriage, you would assume that they're a lot closer to divorce, no? Some people live with unhappiness for a while privately. Once they start openly voicing that displeasure, that's a red flag. I believe the popular phrase is: delete facebook, hit the gym, lawyer up....

I know the marriage analogy seems to make some people happy. I don't think it applies in this case

as soon as Cronin starts making calls about Dame, every NBA front office would know what's going on. His leverage would be the same. It won't be a mystery what's happening whether Dame was close-lipped or real chatty. This would be a pot boiling over; a situation coming to a head; the end of the road; a major change of direction; a crisis of confidence....yeah, I'll see your analogy and raise you 5 metaphors

I think the few teams that would actually be interested in Dame won't have great assets and will be low-balling offers to start. I think that means a Dame trade, if it happens, wouldn't be till next season's trade deadline. Or at least I think that's more likely than this summer

 

[wizenheimer]

Sure it is. Post Dame up on Facebook marketplace.

Dame actually plays decent post up defense. Might have to set a reserve

 

[HailBlazers]

If Wemby wasn't in this Draft, the hype around Scoot would be insane!

Scoot dominated Wembs!

 

[RR7]

While I don't disagree in theory, the hard part is actually finding that haul. It's not as simple as you suggest.

This is the big hang up to me, on top of not wanting that direction anyways. It seems the full tank rebuild suggests a haul for Dame, and getting good pieces for Nurk and Ant, but then when we want to move Ant and Nurk for pieces that could help Dame, they all of a sudden to a lot here have no value so we couldn't move them to help Dame?
And where is the big haul for Dame? I think it's already been looked at elsewhere, but we have like 8 trades all on the same fucking subject, so I dunno if it is in here, or if it is in my imagination, but others should try to find that Dame HAUL.
Milwaukee: Sure they'd love him. No great assets.
Boston: Would Brown stick around here? I like him WITH Dame. I question his personality as a young vet on a rebuild. And he's from Atlanta. Would he sign long term in the PNW? What happens when you move Dame, and the asset you got walks in a year?\
Philadelphia: Maxey about the only asset, and difficulty with future picks, I believe.
Cleveland: Unlikely
NY: They just signed Brunson, so would be a clunky fit
Brooklyn: Don't see it
Miami: Sure. But they owe a 2025 1st. So can get pick #20, and nothing until 2027. Maybe Herro gets us additional assets, but if Ant can't get any, why would Herro?
Atlanta: Doubtful
Toronto:
Chicago: No real assets
Indy: Doubtful
Washington:
Orlando:
Charlotte: Doubtful
Detroit: Doubtful
Denver:
Memphis: No
Sacramento: Doubtful
PHX: No real assets
Clippers: No assets
GS: No
Lakers: no assets
Minnesota: No real assets
New Orleans:
OKC: Doubtful
Dallas: No real assets
Utah: Seems unlikely
Houston: Doubtful. Maybe if they signed Harden, but seems unlikely.
SA: Doubtful


I'm sure a few of these are arguable. I get that. But for discussions sake, left us with Orlando, Washington, Toronto, Denver and New Orleans.
Out of these, I doubt Orlando would actually go all in with that young of a roster. Denver sends us guys like Murray and MPJ. So we get...younger. But it's not the young prospects or haul people would want. And do you want to be saddled with MPJ's injury risks? Toronto I suppose could send us Barnes and a late lotto/early non lotto this year, and then a pick 3 years from now.

I'm all for different options. If someone wants to show me where the Gobert package comes in, please let me know. It's easy to say...trade him for a HAUL. It's more difficult to pinpoint who'd give that HAUL. And yes, it isn't our job to e a GM, so the lame ass cop out of, that's Joe's job to find that haul doesn't fly with me. You can't play arm chair GM of what SHOULD be done, but then refuse to acknowledge how it COULD be done. So is it more likely we get some amazing rebuilding package for Dame that launches us in to contending status in a half decade? Or that we can move pieces and assets we have to get to contending status in that same rough time period? The likelihood is any pick haul, as doubtful as it seems, would be picks 4-6 years out, which gives us someone 2-3 years away from helping, which maybe says 8 years from now, we might really have something!!

 

[wizenheimer]

This is the big hang up to me, on top of not wanting that direction anyways. It seems the full tank rebuild suggests a haul for Dame, and getting good pieces for Nurk and Ant, but then when we want to move Ant and Nurk for pieces that could help Dame, they all of a sudden to a lot here have no value so we couldn't move them to help Dame?
And where is the big haul for Dame? I think it's already been looked at elsewhere, but we have like 8 trades all on the same fucking subject, so I dunno if it is in here, or if it is in my imagination, but others should try to find that Dame HAUL.
Milwaukee: Sure they'd love him. No great assets.
Boston: Would Brown stick around here? I like him WITH Dame. I question his personality as a young vet on a rebuild. And he's from Atlanta. Would he sign long term in the PNW? What happens when you move Dame, and the asset you got walks in a year?\
Philadelphia: Maxey about the only asset, and difficulty with future picks, I believe.
Cleveland: Unlikely
NY: They just signed Brunson, so would be a clunky fit
Brooklyn: Don't see it
Miami: Sure. But they owe a 2025 1st. So can get pick #20, and nothing until 2027. Maybe Herro gets us additional assets, but if Ant can't get any, why would Herro?
Atlanta: Doubtful
Toronto:
Chicago: No real assets
Indy: Doubtful
Washington:
Orlando:
Charlotte: Doubtful
Detroit: Doubtful
Denver:
Memphis: No
Sacramento: Doubtful
PHX: No real assets
Clippers: No assets
GS: No
Lakers: no assets
Minnesota: No real assets
New Orleans:
OKC: Doubtful
Dallas: No real assets
Utah: Seems unlikely
Houston: Doubtful. Maybe if they signed Harden, but seems unlikely.
SA: Doubtful


I'm sure a few of these are arguable. I get that. But for discussions sake, left us with Orlando, Washington, Toronto, Denver and New Orleans.
Out of these, I doubt Orlando would actually go all in with that young of a roster. Denver sends us guys like Murray and MPJ. So we get...younger. But it's not the young prospects or haul people would want. And do you want to be saddled with MPJ's injury risks? Toronto I suppose could send us Barnes and a late lotto/early non lotto this year, and then a pick 3 years from now.

I'm all for different options. If someone wants to show me where the Gobert package comes in, please let me know. It's easy to say...trade him for a HAUL. It's more difficult to pinpoint who'd give that HAUL. And yes, it isn't our job to e a GM, so the lame ass cop out of, that's Joe's job to find that haul doesn't fly with me. You can't play arm chair GM of what SHOULD be done, but then refuse to acknowledge how it COULD be done. So is it more likely we get some amazing rebuilding package for Dame that launches us in to contending status in a half decade? Or that we can move pieces and assets we have to get to contending status in that same rough time period? The likelihood is any pick haul, as doubtful as it seems, would be picks 4-6 years out, which gives us someone 2-3 years away from helping, which maybe says 8 years from now, we might really have something!!

good post!

 

[blazerfan11]

This is the big hang up to me, on top of not wanting that direction anyways. It seems the full tank rebuild suggests a haul for Dame, and getting good pieces for Nurk and Ant, but then when we want to move Ant and Nurk for pieces that could help Dame, they all of a sudden to a lot here have no value so we couldn't move them to help Dame?
And where is the big haul for Dame? I think it's already been looked at elsewhere, but we have like 8 trades all on the same fucking subject, so I dunno if it is in here, or if it is in my imagination, but others should try to find that Dame HAUL.
Milwaukee: Sure they'd love him. No great assets.
Boston: Would Brown stick around here? I like him WITH Dame. I question his personality as a young vet on a rebuild. And he's from Atlanta. Would he sign long term in the PNW? What happens when you move Dame, and the asset you got walks in a year?\
Philadelphia: Maxey about the only asset, and difficulty with future picks, I believe.
Cleveland: Unlikely
NY: They just signed Brunson, so would be a clunky fit
Brooklyn: Don't see it
Miami: Sure. But they owe a 2025 1st. So can get pick #20, and nothing until 2027. Maybe Herro gets us additional assets, but if Ant can't get any, why would Herro?
Atlanta: Doubtful
Toronto:
Chicago: No real assets
Indy: Doubtful
Washington:
Orlando:
Charlotte: Doubtful
Detroit: Doubtful
Denver:
Memphis: No
Sacramento: Doubtful
PHX: No real assets
Clippers: No assets
GS: No
Lakers: no assets
Minnesota: No real assets
New Orleans:
OKC: Doubtful
Dallas: No real assets
Utah: Seems unlikely
Houston: Doubtful. Maybe if they signed Harden, but seems unlikely.
SA: Doubtful


I'm sure a few of these are arguable. I get that. But for discussions sake, left us with Orlando, Washington, Toronto, Denver and New Orleans.
Out of these, I doubt Orlando would actually go all in with that young of a roster. Denver sends us guys like Murray and MPJ. So we get...younger. But it's not the young prospects or haul people would want. And do you want to be saddled with MPJ's injury risks? Toronto I suppose could send us Barnes and a late lotto/early non lotto this year, and then a pick 3 years from now.

I'm all for different options. If someone wants to show me where the Gobert package comes in, please let me know. It's easy to say...trade him for a HAUL. It's more difficult to pinpoint who'd give that HAUL. And yes, it isn't our job to e a GM, so the lame ass cop out of, that's Joe's job to find that haul doesn't fly with me. You can't play arm chair GM of what SHOULD be done, but then refuse to acknowledge how it COULD be done. So is it more likely we get some amazing rebuilding package for Dame that launches us in to contending status in a half decade? Or that we can move pieces and assets we have to get to contending status in that same rough time period? The likelihood is any pick haul, as doubtful as it seems, would be picks 4-6 years out, which gives us someone 2-3 years away from helping, which maybe says 8 years from now, we might really have something!!

Except those future draft picks can be used in another trade or trades by the Blazers.

 

[Boise Blazer]

I go back and forth on what I want (except we cannot give up Shaedon for anything short of Luka or Giannis which ain't happening). I know what the smart decision is. But more than anything I'm frustrated as a fan of team that hasnt had a realistic shot at the title in 30 years. As a fan that's just unacceptable to me.

 

[Predator]

Except those future draft picks can be used in another trade or trades by the Blazers.

They certainly could be, which would be a really poor use of those picks.

If you trade Dame for a bunch of picks, you’re tearing this thing down.

You’ll get role players (at best) for those picks. Like a Norm Powell (or Robert Covington).

There is a reason OKC (and Utah) traded their stars and hung on to the picks and didn’t flip them for marginal upgrades.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This is the big hang up to me, on top of not wanting that direction anyways. It seems the full tank rebuild suggests a haul for Dame, and getting good pieces for Nurk and Ant, but then when we want to move Ant and Nurk for pieces that could help Dame, they all of a sudden to a lot here have no value so we couldn't move them to help Dame?
And where is the big haul for Dame? I think it's already been looked at elsewhere, but we have like 8 trades all on the same fucking subject, so I dunno if it is in here, or if it is in my imagination, but others should try to find that Dame HAUL.
Milwaukee: Sure they'd love him. No great assets.
Boston: Would Brown stick around here? I like him WITH Dame. I question his personality as a young vet on a rebuild. And he's from Atlanta. Would he sign long term in the PNW? What happens when you move Dame, and the asset you got walks in a year?\
Philadelphia: Maxey about the only asset, and difficulty with future picks, I believe.
Cleveland: Unlikely
NY: They just signed Brunson, so would be a clunky fit
Brooklyn: Don't see it
Miami: Sure. But they owe a 2025 1st. So can get pick #20, and nothing until 2027. Maybe Herro gets us additional assets, but if Ant can't get any, why would Herro?
Atlanta: Doubtful
Toronto:
Chicago: No real assets
Indy: Doubtful
Washington:
Orlando:
Charlotte: Doubtful
Detroit: Doubtful
Denver:
Memphis: No
Sacramento: Doubtful
PHX: No real assets
Clippers: No assets
GS: No
Lakers: no assets
Minnesota: No real assets
New Orleans:
OKC: Doubtful
Dallas: No real assets
Utah: Seems unlikely
Houston: Doubtful. Maybe if they signed Harden, but seems unlikely.
SA: Doubtful


I'm sure a few of these are arguable. I get that. But for discussions sake, left us with Orlando, Washington, Toronto, Denver and New Orleans.
Out of these, I doubt Orlando would actually go all in with that young of a roster. Denver sends us guys like Murray and MPJ. So we get...younger. But it's not the young prospects or haul people would want. And do you want to be saddled with MPJ's injury risks? Toronto I suppose could send us Barnes and a late lotto/early non lotto this year, and then a pick 3 years from now.

I'm all for different options. If someone wants to show me where the Gobert package comes in, please let me know. It's easy to say...trade him for a HAUL. It's more difficult to pinpoint who'd give that HAUL. And yes, it isn't our job to e a GM, so the lame ass cop out of, that's Joe's job to find that haul doesn't fly with me. You can't play arm chair GM of what SHOULD be done, but then refuse to acknowledge how it COULD be done. So is it more likely we get some amazing rebuilding package for Dame that launches us in to contending status in a half decade? Or that we can move pieces and assets we have to get to contending status in that same rough time period? The likelihood is any pick haul, as doubtful as it seems, would be picks 4-6 years out, which gives us someone 2-3 years away from helping, which maybe says 8 years from now, we might really have something!!

I just looked at Washington. Assuming they'd be intending to keep Beal, Zinger, and re-sign Kuzma, they'd have to offer Gafford/Morris/Wright/Avdija just to match salary, and then we'd of course demand their FRP (7?) on draft day (NY has their 24), a 25 swap, and their 26 FRP.

Which side declines that?