Dame & Blazer all-time Blazer scorers

[THE HCP]

I'm still partial to Clyde a bit. He played better defense and had better results. I am hoping Lillard can get some of those same results or better.

Thats just it...he had better results because of the accumulation of talent surrounding him. This is why I don't use championships won as a way to measure a players greatness.

 

[DDolla]

Dame can now leave like Clyde and win a ring

 

[TBpup]

Thats just it...he had better results because of the accumulation of talent surrounding him. This is why I don't use championships won as a way to measure a players greatness.

Some of the major players each player has had to play with. Seems like Drexler did more with less.

Late 1st round pick Porter
2nd round pick Kersey
2nd Round pick Robinson
2nd round pick Duckworth
#3 pick pick Williams

#2 pick Aldridge
Lottery pick CJ
Lottery pick Leonard
Mid 1st round pick Nurkic
Lottery pick Aminu
Mid 1st round pick Lopez

 

[THE HCP]

Dame can now leave like Clyde and win a ring

There are a few on here who you can tell don't really think before pounding on your keyboard.... you sir/maam are one of them.

 

[julius]

Without looking, shen Paxson passed Petrie, was it in a win?

When Clyde passed Jim, was it in a win?

 

[Natebishop3]

You know this is a great point. However, Clyde was very loyal as well until the Blazers decided to go another direction. There are those that have said this needs to happen with Lillard as well.
“The only reason I left Portland – they were starting to rebuild. Because after all those great years, I had some injuries on my knees. And they kind of gave up a little too soon. So they started rebuilding and got rid of Kevin Duckworth. And I was like ‘Hold up guys, we don’t have a center’. Then they started saying ‘we need to rebuild, we need to trade some of these veterans while they can still play so we can get something for them. And that’s when I orchestrated the move to Houston. But if they hadn’t done that, I would’ve finished my career there.”
-Clyde Drexler

We were rebuilding.... so we traded Clyde for a 32 year old Otis Thorpe.

 

[DDolla]

There are a few on here who you can tell don't really think before pounding on your keyboard.... you sir/maam are one of them.

You actually think Dame will win a ring in PDX? Really think before pounding on your keyboard

 

[THE HCP]

Some of the major players each player has had to play with. Seems like Drexler did more with less.

Late 1st round pick Porter
2nd round pick Kersey
2nd Round pick Robinson
2nd round pick Duckworth
#3 pick pick Williams

#2 pick Aldridge
Lottery pick CJ
Lottery pick Leonard
Mid 1st round pick Nurkic
Lottery pick Aminu
Mid 1st round pick Lopez

Oh you’re using draft position to show a players value? I would use their production on the court to judge them.

 

[THE HCP]

You actually think Dame will win a ring in PDX? Really think before pounding on your keyboard

AGAIN you didn’t think.

 

[THE HCP]

You actually think Dame will win a ring in PDX? Really think before pounding on your keyboard

As somebody who predicted 40 wins this season, I’ll let you answer your own question.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Strenuus]

Without looking, shen Paxson passed Petrie, was it in a win?

When Clyde passed Jim, was it in a win?

Exactly. It doesn't matter lol

 

[SIeepwalker]

Some of the major players each player has had to play with. Seems like Drexler did more with less.

Late 1st round pick Porter
2nd round pick Kersey
2nd Round pick Robinson
2nd round pick Duckworth
#3 pick pick Williams

#2 pick Aldridge
Lottery pick CJ
Lottery pick Leonard
Mid 1st round pick Nurkic
Lottery pick Aminu
Mid 1st round pick Lopez

That's a troll post right ?

 

[Strenuus]

Some of the major players each player has had to play with. Seems like Drexler did more with less.

Late 1st round pick Porter
2nd round pick Kersey
2nd Round pick Robinson
2nd round pick Duckworth
#3 pick pick Williams

#2 pick Aldridge
Lottery pick CJ
Lottery pick Leonard
Mid 1st round pick Nurkic
Lottery pick Aminu
Mid 1st round pick Lopez

You mean you're going to include reclamations tries as "Lillard had more".

I don't know what you tried to accomplish with this post but none of it was successful. Like... Wut?

 

[Kano John]

Some of the major players each player has had to play with. Seems like Drexler did more with less.

Late 1st round pick Porter
2nd round pick Kersey
2nd Round pick Robinson
2nd round pick Duckworth
#3 pick pick Williams

#2 pick Aldridge
Lottery pick CJ
Lottery pick Leonard
Mid 1st round pick Nurkic
Lottery pick Aminu
Mid 1st round pick Lopez

Give me Mercy Kersey, Porter, Buck, Duck and the rest of the supporting cast any day. Along with Clyde they would have won a championship if not for MJ and an even stronger supporting cast. That Bulls team was one of the best ever with maybe Kareem, Magic & Worthy et al the exception.

 

[andalusian]

Some of the major players each player has had to play with. Seems like Drexler did more with less.

Late 1st round pick Porter
2nd round pick Kersey
2nd Round pick Robinson
2nd round pick Duckworth
#3 pick pick Williams

#2 pick Aldridge
Lottery pick CJ
Lottery pick Leonard
Mid 1st round pick Nurkic
Lottery pick Aminu
Mid 1st round pick Lopez

Drexler did not do more with less, it is once again proof that Clyde had a much better GM for the majority of his time in Portland.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Some of the major players each player has had to play with. Seems like Drexler did more with less.

Late 1st round pick Porter
2nd round pick Kersey
2nd Round pick Robinson
2nd round pick Duckworth
#3 pick pick Williams

#2 pick Aldridge
Lottery pick CJ
Lottery pick Leonard
Mid 1st round pick Nurkic
Lottery pick Aminu
Mid 1st round pick Lopez

come on T you are better than this. By this analysis you would be saying that all first round busts are better than second round gems. Im nto even gonna research specifics.
But one example would be:

Cj drafted in the first.
Draymond green in the second.

Who is better?

 

[Fairly-Hard]

That's a troll post right ?

He forgot to add Simons, Collins and Gary Trent jr.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

come on T you are better than this. By this analysis you would be saying that all first round busts are better than second round gems. Im nto even gonna research specifics.
But one example would be:

Cj drafted in the first.
Draymond green in the second.

Who is better?

@TBpup

im sorry i have to follow this up. No research needed. The answers are in your own post.
leonard drafted 11th

Are you really trying to claim Leonard was better than Kersey a second rounder?
Or Cliffy?
Or Duck?

This might be one of the laziest posts ive ever read. What blows me away is you posted it!

 

[Hoopguru]

Anyone know if Clyde congratulated Dame publicly?

 

[TBpup]

Oh you’re using draft position to show a players value? I would use their production on the court to judge them.

Exactly....their production for many of them being low 1st to 2nd round picks seemed to outperform their selection spot playing with Clyde.

come on T you are better than this. By this analysis you would be saying that all first round busts are better than second round gems. Im nto even gonna research specifics.
But one example would be:

Cj drafted in the first.
Draymond green in the second.

Who is better?

And of course there are a lot of 'exceptions' to be listed. I'm looking at the broader, overall ranking of where they were Drafted. Higher draft picks typically do better, or teams would trade away all their 1st round picks and just draft in the 2nd round. People react like I'm saying Dame isn't a great player....he very much is. But when we look at results, and overall game outside of just scoring, I'm not sure Dame has reached that 'greatest' level just yet compared to Walton or Drexler. Total accumulation? Sure. Greatest? How is it not at least reasonable to have a question or a debate? Reasonable responses welcomed.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Exactly....their production for many of them being low 1st to 2nd round picks seemed to outperform their selection spot playing with Clyde.



And of course there are a lot of 'exceptions' to be listed. I'm looking at the broader, overall ranking of where they were Drafted. Higher draft picks typically do better, or teams would trade away all their 1st round picks and just draft in the 2nd round. People react like I'm saying Dame isn't a great player....he very much is. But when we look at results, and overall game outside of just scoring, I'm not sure Dame has reached that 'greatest' level just yet compared to Walton or Drexler. Total accumulation? Sure. Greatest? How is it not at least reasonable to have a question or a debate? Reasonable responses welcomed.

Its hard to respond reasonably to such an unreasonable take though.

Think abojt what you are saying. Dame isnt as good because his Gm could pit better players around him to help elevate his accolades.

this is about the best player. Not the best team and you are judging Dame on the team. Im surprised at how you think thats reasonable.

what i got from this post is that Dame isn't as good because his GM wasn't as good.
That is not reasonable…

Nothing wrong with the debate. Just your reasoning behind your stance, Currently.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Anyone know if Clyde congratulated Dame publicly?

I just came to ask this question myself. Clyde is supposedly a classy guy and it certainly seems like it would be the classy thing to do.

 

[TBpup]

I just came to ask this question myself. Clyde is supposedly a classy guy and it certainly seems like it would be the classy thing to do.

He was cheering him on just before he broke the record. Didn't see if he congratulated him after or not.

 

[MadeFromDust]

He was cheering him on just before he broke the record. Didn't see if he congratulated him after or not.

Where did you see that?

 

[Tince]

 

[TBpup]

Its hard to respond reasonably to such an unreasonable take though.

Think abojt what you are saying. Dame isnt as good because his Gm could pit better players around him to help elevate his accolades.

this is about the best player. Not the best team and you are judging Dame on the team. Im surprised at how you think thats reasonable.

what i got from this post is that Dame isn't as good because his GM wasn't as good.
That is not reasonable…

Nothing wrong with the debate. Just your reasoning behind your stance, Currently.

No worries, but you got my reasoning wrong. I've gone over it too many times to spend even more time. Dame is a tremendous player. I would like that player, if he is the greatest, and the best leader in the NBA, to have it manifest in more tangible results other than just individual. Not sure how that is unreasonable. If a player is that great as a player and a leader, that tends to elevate teammates, yes? No? Walton and Drexler elevated the pieces they had around them to a higher level. Part of that is, they also made impacts on the defensive side of the ball instead of constantly having to have other teammates cover for them. For Dame to be the greatest, I have to ignore 1/2 of the game, and when looking at the big picture, that is tough to do. It feels disrespectful to Bill and Clyde. Dame is the greatest offensive player to be sure. Overall? Not there yet....IMO.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

No worries, but you got my reasoning wrong. I've gone over it too many times to spend even more time. Dame is a tremendous player. I would like that player, if he is the greatest, and the best leader in the NBA, to have it manifest in more tangible results other than just individual. Not sure how that is unreasonable. If a player is that great as a player and a leader, that tends to elevate teammates, yes? No? Walton and Drexler elevated the pieces they had around them to a higher level. Part of that is, they also made impacts on the defensive side of the ball instead of constantly having to have other teammates cover for them. For Dame to be the greatest, I have to ignore 1/2 of the game, and when looking at the big picture, that is tough to do. It feels disrespectful to Bill and Clyde. Dame is the greatest offensive player to be sure. Overall? Not there yet....IMO.

but its just an assumption clyde made others better.

Again, by your analysis Meyers Leonard would be as good as Duckworth if he played with clyde or Aminu as good as Kersey.

Im just not buying it. To think Cliffy would be another Collins if it weren't for Clyde, doesn't jive in my assumption category.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Comparing pick # to evaluate the strenght of a team might be the stupidest argument I've seen on here, which says a lot.

The reining back to back MVP was a second rounder ffs. But I guess Meyers Fucking Leonard is better than him since he's a lottery pick

 

[wizenheimer]

but its just an assumption clyde made others better.

Again, by your analysis Meyers Leonard would be as good as Duckworth if he played with clyde or Aminu as good as Kersey.

Im just not buying it. To think Cliffy would be another Collins if it weren't for Clyde, doesn't jive in my assumption category.

yeah, I agree. TB's argument was really weird

the reality for me is this:

* Buck Williams was better than any PF Dame has played with, and yeah, that includes Aldridge.

* Kiki Vandeweigh & Jerome Kersey were better than any SF's Dame has played with

* Terry Porter & Rod Strickland were better than any guards Dame has played with

* Mychal Thompson was better than any C Dame has played with, but Nurkic is better than Duckworth, mostly

* Cliff Robinson, Jim Paxson, Danny Ainge, & Drazen Petrovich were better than any bench players Dame has played with

* Jack Ramsey and Rick Adelman were better than any coaches Dame has played for

* whoever were the Blazer GM's during Clyde's tenure were better GM's than Olshey.

I don't think any of that is really debatable. Maybe a couple of quibbles, at most. To try and argue that Dame had a better supporting cast than Clyde is ludicrous