Dame D.O.L.L.A. featuring Brookfield Duece - "They Sleep"

[SlyPokerDog]

AC/DC's, "Rock n' Roll Singer"

The Lyrics:
Gonna be a rock n' roll singer. Gonna be a rock n' roll star. Yes I are!

Why:
It should be "yes I am"



Aerosmith's, "Sweet Emotion"

The Lyrics:
Some sweet-talkin' mama with a face like a gent
Said my get-up-and-go must've got up and went

Why:
The line should have been "must've got up and gone.



The Beatles', "Ticket To Ride"

The Lyrics:
She's got a ticket to ride, but she don't care

Why:
Should be "... but she DOESN'T care"

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I feel good?!? By someone claiming to be the godfather of soul when really they should be called the godfather of bad grammar.

Actually, it's wholly appropriate to use an adjective as the object of a feeling verb. Both "I feel well" and "I feel good" are grammatically correct.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Actually, it's wholly appropriate to use an adjective as the object of a feeling verb. Both "I feel well" and "I feel good" are grammatically correct.

:MARIS61:

 

[blue9]

Crotchety old white men should gain perspective and understand there's no reason to complain about how grammatically correct a hip-hop song is.

They've got no leg to stand on - Shakespeare turned the English language on its head with the shit he wrote.

Must be nice to have the privilege of elevating your own perspective to a place of greater significance than another's.

Oh, you mean like white male culture has done for thousands of years?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Oh, you mean like white male culture has done for thousands of years?

Prior wrongs justify future wrongs?

 

[blue9]

Prior wrongs justify future wrongs?

This is a wrong? "Crotchety old white men should gain perspective and understand there's no reason to complain about how grammatically correct a hip-hop song is." GTFO.
No no, asking willfully ignorant people to stop being willfully ignorant has no place in this world. Especially when they choose to reject Item X when it occurs in another culture but cleave to Item X within their own culture.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

This is a wrong? "Crotchety old white men should gain perspective and understand there's no reason to complain about how grammatically correct a hip-hop song is." GTFO.
No no, asking willfully ignorant people to stop being willfully ignorant has no place in this world. Especially when they choose to reject Item X when it occurs in another culture but cleave to Item X within their own culture.

No, the "elevating the value of your own perspective over another's" part, to which you said "like white culture has done for thousands of years" is what is wrong. To say (in effect) "You need to understand where I'm coming from, but I don't have to look at your point of view," is wrong.

If someone asking for empathy, they should be willing to give it as well. That's all I'm saying. Consistency rather than hypocrisy. Practice what you preach.

 

[Spud147]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_license

 

[PtldPlatypus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_license

Just because people love abstract art doesn't mean I have to. In my mind, a face should look like a face, not a tangram!

 

[Spud147]

Just because people love abstract art doesn't mean I have to. In my mind, a face should look like a face, not a tangram!

But that's the point... an artist isn't necessarily trying to make you like his work. He's trying to communicate his own interpretation of the subject matter.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But that's the point... an artist isn't necessarily trying to make you like his work. He's trying to communicate his own interpretation of the subject matter.

Which is fine, but people shouldn't get so up in arms because somebody doesn't like the art or the style. This whole discussion stemmed from Wookee shaking his head at Dame's grammar in one of the lines of his rap. Shouldn't Wookee be just as entitled to his viewpoint as Dame is entitled to communicate in his art in whichever manner he sees fit? Can't both sides of the aisle be valid?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Can't both sides of the aisle be valid?

No.

 

[Spud147]

Which is fine, but people shouldn't get so up in arms because somebody doesn't like the art or the style. This whole discussion stemmed from Wookee shaking his head at Dame's grammar in one of the lines of his rap. Shouldn't Wookee be just as entitled to his viewpoint as Dame is entitled to communicate in his art in whichever manner he sees fit? Can't both sides of the aisle be valid?

I'm sure Dame would love it if people listened to the lyrics in the context he meant but this work is already successful because people are talking about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but art is a very personal thing and it wasn't recorded for Wookie it was recorded for Dame. As far as valid, I disagree, if someone is not willing to be open to the entire piece because of one part of it they don't have an informed opinion.

When someone creates original stuff it is often not accepted. But artists/creators keep doing this because they have to. They are incredibly brave to share such personal things with other people. They open their innermost selves to be picked apart and know some people will not like it.
And, finally, Wookie is a crotchety old white man, what do you expect?!?

 

[blue9]

No, the "elevating the value of your own perspective over another's" part, to which you said "like white culture has done for thousands of years" is what is wrong. To say (in effect) "You need to understand where I'm coming from, but I don't have to look at your point of view," is wrong.

If someone asking for empathy, they should be willing to give it as well. That's all I'm saying. Consistency rather than hypocrisy. Practice what you preach.

Sorry, but not all points of view are worth empathizing with - that's one of the greatest fallacies that "old white men" have been clinging to these past few decades in their cries over "reverse racism", the "war against Christians", etc. Just because someone has a stupid belief doesn't mean others need to respect that stupid belief. But sadly our current state of anti-intellectualism is trying to put "stupid beliefs" on equal footing with "facts" and "reason".

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Which is fine, but people shouldn't get so up in arms because somebody doesn't like the art or the style. This whole discussion stemmed from Wookee shaking his head at Dame's grammar in one of the lines of his rap. Shouldn't Wookee be just as entitled to his viewpoint as Dame is entitled to communicate in his art in whichever manner he sees fit? Can't both sides of the aisle be valid?

While I agree with the point you are making about double standards there are better things to fight than grammar. How about the teens that beat the fuck out of a marine at McDonald's after they asked him if black lives matter? http://usmclife.com/2016/02/marine-...-beaten-robbed-gang-black-lives-matter-teens/
Now that is some double standard, hypocrite, bullshit worth arguing about.

 

[Natebishop3]

So now that we're discussing music.... what's the deal with Kanye?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Sorry, but not all points of view are worth empathizing with - that's one of the greatest fallacies that "old white men" have been clinging to these past few decades in their cries over "reverse racism", the "war against Christians", etc. Just because someone has a stupid belief doesn't mean others need to respect that stupid belief. But sadly our current state of anti-intellectualism is trying to put "stupid beliefs" on equal footing with "facts" and "reason".

So, who gets to determine which perspectives are "stupid" and which are "valid"?

 

[Natebishop3]

So, who gets to determine which perspectives are "stupid" and which are "valid"?

The internet, of course.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.tmz.com/2016/02/17/damian-lillard-raps-about-all-star-snub/

:MARIS61:

 

[blue9]

So now that we're discussing music.... what's the deal with Kanye?

Let me tell you about Kanye. Fuck Kanye! (And Jay-Z, too!)

 

[PDXFonz]

We asked Damien about the song

They spelled it right in the headline...

 

[PDXFonz]

It was really hype in there that entire series, loudest its ever been when I've been there. It would be even louder if we had any chance of upsetting our 1st round opponent.

 

[dviss1]

While I agree with the point you are making about double standards there are better things to fight than grammar. How about the teens that beat the fuck out of a marine at McDonald's after they asked him if black lives matter? http://usmclife.com/2016/02/marine-...-beaten-robbed-gang-black-lives-matter-teens/
Now that is some double standard, hypocrite, bullshit worth arguing about.

Not saying this is fake, but with the way the media feeds us the narrative they want us to believe... It makes me hope it is... The way the lady was reporting made it sound as if she wanted to start a race war....

I'd rather someone lie about that than actually do it... That's pretty fucked up...

 

[blue9]

So, who gets to determine which perspectives are "stupid" and which are "valid"?

Much of the time it's pretty clear. If it's not clear, then there's probably some level of validity.
By definition, anything that's based in anti-intellectualism is stupid.

 

[PDXFonz]

Much of the time it's pretty clear. If it's not clear, then there's probably some level of validity.
By definition, anything that's based in anti-intellectualism is stupid.
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[rasheedfan2005]

Not saying this is fake, but with the way the media feeds us the narrative they want us to believe... It makes me hope it is... The way the lady was reporting made it sound as if she wanted to start a race war....

I'd rather someone lie about that than actually do it... That's pretty fucked up...

I was convinced when obama won the first Tim that near then end of his second term the media would be feeding us I to race war. Seems I was right because it seems to be everyone's focus right now. I just wish we could stop caring about race and focus on the real issues. I work with some out standing black guys and we watch some really shitty people of all races. Race has nothing to do with someone being a piece of shit. However I do hate the main stream rap culture and blame it for a lot of the ignorance and bad stereotypes. There of course is some great rap culture out there but that's not what major label companies push, it doesnt fit the medias agenda.

 

[dviss1]

I was convinced when obama won the first Tim that near then end of his second term the media would be feeding us I to race war. Seems I was right because it seems to be everyone's focus right now. I just wish we could stop caring about race and focus on the real issues. I work with some out standing black guys and we watch some really shitty people of all races. Race has nothing to do with someone being a piece of shit. However I do hate the main stream rap culture and blame it for a lot of the ignorance and bad stereotypes. There of course is some great rap culture out there but that's not what major label companies push, it doesnt fit the medias agenda.

Hip-hop used to be so intelligent
Now it seems like most of it is irrelevant
-D-V-ISS

When BET is owned by Viacom that's what you get. There's plenty of AMAZING Hip-Hop around. It just gets no airplay because Viacom would rather put the BET music awards on at the same time the Democratic debate is on. There's a systematic war on getting you good, wholesome, spirit lifting, intelligent Hip-Hop. Instead they'd rather give us this COONERY.... Here is Bobby Shmurda (WTF?) performing for industry execs.... This song was on the fucking radio...

Who put it there? Who decided this piece of SHIT was a good enough representation of what our kids should be listening to?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Hip-hop used to be so intelligent
Now it seems like most of it is irrelevant
-D-V-ISS

When BET is owned by Viacom that's what you get. There's plenty of AMAZING Hip-Hop around. It just gets no airplay because Viacom would rather put the BET music awards on at the same time the Democratic debate is on. There's a systematic war on getting you good, wholesome, spirit lifting, intelligent Hip-Hop. Instead they'd rather give us this COONERY.... Here is Bobby Shmurda (WTF?) performing for industry execs.... This song was on the fucking radio...

Who put it there? Who decided this piece of SHIT was a good enough representation of what our kids should be listening to?

i agree.


"wont stop until the entire world's inside my palm like viacom"

there's some deep truth in that little line. need a tin foil hat? i always have an extra.

 

[blue9]

This verse from Kirby Dominant sums up the great divide you two are talking about:

Although I think he only touches on a feedback loop, rather than the root cause, with the final line - "the ghetto's got us tamed, so I really couldn't blame him". The root is that white male executives decided decades ago that a narrow stereotype of black culture is easier to sell to a wide spectrum of the population. Back in the 80s the pop music machine was still about making music, so the stereotypical image they were selling still had some substance to it. But over the decades record labels decided that the music doesn't matter, only the bottom line. So we're left with AWFUL* rap, but also AWFUL rock, R&B, and country too.

*To be honest, I do like some mainstream rap. But IMO the glory days of hip hop was the mid-90s "underground" stuff.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

i agree.


"wont stop until the entire world's inside my palm like viacom"

there's some deep truth in that little line. need a tin foil hat? i always have an extra.

I just don't understand how anyone can give much of a crap about mainstream anything when it's so easy to subscribe to an underground guy like K.A.A.N. here, and get his music which is amazing instead.