Dame No Longer #1 Rookie!

[NOVoodoo]

Did anyone else catch the pre-game show on ESPN tonight? They had the staff (Magic, Jalen, and... Wilbon/Broussard (?)) redo the top 6 picks in the '12 draft, knowing what they know today, and I think Jalen Rose was the only one that had Lillard #1. One of them (Magic I think) had both Davis and Beal ahead of him.

I wasn't paying too much attention, because ESPN does the most boring NBA coverage, but I was wondering if any of ya'll saw the same thing.

 

[Natebishop3]

Did anyone else catch the pre-game show on ESPN tonight? They had the staff (Magic, Jalen, and... Wilbon/Broussard (?)) redo the top 6 picks in the '12 draft, knowing what they know today, and I think Jalen Rose was the only one that had Lillard #1. One of them (Magic I think) had both Davis and Beal ahead of him.

I wasn't paying too much attention, because ESPN does the most boring NBA coverage, but I was wondering if any of ya'll saw the same thing.

It's not surprising that people would still pick Davis over Lillard. Beal on the other hand, I don't think I'd make that move. The thing is, talented bigs always go ahead of guards or small forwards in the draft. I'm sure one day people will call Portland stupid for taking Oden ahead of Durant, but there wasn't a single GM who would have done it differently that day. Hopefully Davis can stay healthy, he isn't off to a good start.

 

[THE HCP]

I still think Davis will put up early Okafor #s. 13/11

 

[THE HCP]

I think the only GMs who said they would have taken Durant first was Houston and Orlando. (Yao & Howard)

 

[jlprk]

I don't get what all the teeth gnashing is about Lillard vs. Davis. For the month of February, Lillard, the guy who is supposedly fading, had an EFF = 16.0 (compared to 16.9 for January). Davis, the guy who is supposedly coming on strong had an EFF = 15.0 (compared to 15.8 for January). Percentage wise, both players seem to be "fading" at the same rate.

The guy who actually is coming on strong is Beal. He had an EFF = 17.8 in February (compared to 12.6 in January), but that's too little too late to compete with Lillard for ROY. And, he's in the Eastern Conference, so not competing against Lillard or Davis for ROM.

Rookie efficiency/game in February.
Lillard was #3 despite being #1 in minutes.
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/13/7/eff/27-1

Rookie efficiency/minutes in February.
Freeland (#10) and Leonard (#19) were better than Lillard (#22).
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/13/7/eff/27-3

 

[jlprk]

I don't get what all the teeth gnashing is about Lillard vs. Davis. For the month of February, Lillard, the guy who is supposedly fading, had an EFF = 16.0 (compared to 16.9 for January). Davis, the guy who is supposedly coming on strong had an EFF = 15.0 (compared to 15.8 for January). Percentage wise, both players seem to be "fading" at the same rate.

The guy who actually is coming on strong is Beal. He had an EFF = 17.8 in February (compared to 12.6 in January), but that's too little too late to compete with Lillard for ROY. And, he's in the Eastern Conference, so not competing against Lillard or Davis for ROM.

Good old Hoopstats has served me well through the years. This new NBA.com PIE statistic is worthless. I checked and they don't use the formula they claim they use. (GmStat means the total of that stat for all players on both teams in a game)

Anyway, here are how rookies ranked in PIE for February games, even though their results aren't correct, if you put the numbers into the formula.

http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerGe...=&DateTo=&SeasonSegment=&Month=5&LastNGames=0

 

[Boob-No-More]

Rookie efficiency/minutes in February.
Freeland (#10) and Leonard (#19) were better than Lillard (#22).
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/playerstats/13/7/eff/27-3

Wanna know why rookie EFF/minute is one of the most useless stats ever invented? Ask yourself this:

When preparing to play the Blazers how many coaches say this:

"Forget about Lillard. He's crap. The key to beating the Blazers is clamping down on Feeland."

BNM

 

[magnifier661]

Wanna know why rookie EFF/minute is one of the most useless stats ever invented? Ask yourself this:

When preparing to play the Blazers how many coaches say this:

"Forget about Lillard. He's crap. The key to beating the Blazers is clamping down on Feeland."

BNM

Hahahahaha

 

[Boob-No-More]

For those who missed it in the other thread, Lillard was named Western Conference ROM for February:

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The voters agree with the "homers". Lillard has won ROM all four months and continues to be the run away favorite to win ROY. Especially, with Anthony Davis missing his 15th game of the season. Davis has missed exactly 1/4 of his teams games.

BMM

 

[Natebishop3]

For those who missed it in the other thread, Lillard was named Western Conference ROM for February:

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The voters agree with the "homers". Lillard has won ROM all four months and continues to be the run away favorite to win ROY. Especially, with Anthony Davis missing his 15th game of the season. Davis has missed exactly 1/4 of his teams games.

BMM

Sounds like Rookie of the Year to me

 

[THE HCP]

Wonder if a player has ever won the majority of Rookie of the Month awards and NOT won Rookie of the Year?

 

[Natebishop3]

Wonder if a player has ever won the majority of Rookie of the Month awards and NOT won Rookie of the Year?

If ESPN had their way, Dame might be the first.

 

[MickZagger]

I remember a lot of the experts in here made fun of me when I hyped Beal because they said he was undersized.

 

[MickZagger]

He's better than Wright, but I think he will have the same type of impact if he's ever on a good team. Not a cornerstone at all.

I've always thought he was overhyped. But, I think he'll always be a fringe AS type guy. He shows glimpses of doing great things, just not sure if he'll ever put it all together.

 

[RoyToy]

I still think Davis will put up early Okafor #s. 13/11

Lol. He'll crush those numbers.

Per 36 right now he's putting up 16/10, with 2.3 blk and 1.5 stl. He's one of the better bigs to come in the league in a while.

These Okafor/Wright comparisons are ludicrous.

 

[B-Roy]

If ESPN had their way, Dame might be the first.

You seem to be taking this personally. Perhaps you should chill. I very much doubt Lillard gives a crap whether he wins ROY or not.

 

[MickZagger]

Lol. He'll crush those numbers.

Per 36 right now he's putting up 16/10, with 2.3 blk and 1.5 stl. He's one of the better bigs to come in the league in a while.

These Okafor/Wright comparisons are ludicrous.

You've bashed per/36 in the past. Now you're promoting it?

 

[RoyToy]

I'm not promoting anything other than Davis being a much better talent than Wright and Okafor.... and it isn't close

 

[Natebishop3]

You seem to be taking this personally. Perhaps you should chill. I very much doubt Lillard gives a crap whether he wins ROY or not.

You think Dame doesn't care if he wins ROY? I'd bet he damn sure cares that he wins. It's an honor and a stepping stone to bigger things.

Also, why do you care what I post about the topic? It's just my thought and feelings on the topic. How does it affect you?

 

[B-Roy]

Also, why do you care what I post about the topic? It's just my thought and feelings on the topic. How does it affect you?

It doesn't, but I have a right to my opinions as well, and I just think its kind of funny how worked up you are with one person's opinion. (It's not ESPN, it's David Thorpe)

 

[BlazerCaravan]

You think Dame doesn't care if he wins ROY? I'd bet he damn sure cares that he wins. It's an honor and a stepping stone to bigger things.

Also, why do you care what I post about the topic? It's just my thought and feelings on the topic. How does it affect you?

Indeed; there are only a few things a young player can do to really shine during his rookie contract that will up his value and prestige. ROY is one, an All Stat game appearance is another. 20/10, +10 wins for his team... Lillard is close to all of them.

 

[donkiez]

You seem to be taking this personally. Perhaps you should chill. I very much doubt Lillard gives a crap whether he wins ROY or not.

Actually ROY is pretty prestigious award in the NBA, especially since its pretty much the top honor a rookie can realistically win and every player only has one chance to win it. Also I would guess that the Blazers organization has a lot of vested interest in Lillard winning the award as its a huge marketing tool, and a major bright spot in an otherwise lackluster year. In fact my guess is that at the beginning of the year the two major unoffical goals of the franchise were to get LA to the allstar game and get Lillard the ROY.

 

[Natebishop3]

It doesn't, but I have a right to my opinions as well, and I just think its kind of funny how worked up you are with one person's opinion. (It's not ESPN, it's David Thorpe)

Two posts = worked up?

I think the national media is annoying with their incredibly biased opinions. There's no legitimate reason for Davis to be ahead of Dame. Not one. If there was a good argument I would have no problem with it at all.

 

[B-Roy]

Two posts = worked up?

I think the national media is annoying with their incredibly biased opinions. There's no legitimate reason for Davis to be ahead of Dame. Not one. If there was a good argument I would have no problem with it at all.

Two posts? You've been playing defensive soccer mom since the beginning of this thread.

And this "national media" is one person. One person. Lillard won ROM for February, and he's #1 virtually anywhere else you look.

 

[THE HCP]

Lol. He'll crush those numbers.

These Okafor comparisons are ludicrous.

Laugh out loud huh? "Ludicrous"? Really? He's averaging 12/7 right now. Ya, my opinion of him averaging 15/11.......13/10........14/11.......14/11......13/11 like Okafor did his first 5 seasons......Ya, that's "ludicrous".

 

[RoyToy]

Laugh out loud huh? "Ludicrous"? Really? He's averaging 12/7 right now. Ya, my opinion of him averaging 15/11.......13/10........14/11.......14/11......13/11 like Okafor did his first 5 seasons......Ya, that's "ludicrous".

Comparing him to Okafor IS ludicrous. It's actually a really bad comparison.

Davis is putting up 12/7 in 27min per game at the age of 19. Okafor was 22 his rookie season and averaged 35min per game.

 

[RoyToy]

It's still not as bad as the Brandon Wright comparison, though. That's laughable.

 

[PapaG]

ROY matters. I bolded previous ROY's who have gone on to be NBA All-Stars, and this list covers the last 35 players to win or share the award.

It's a pretty good barometer for future NBA success, be it by coincidence, or that those who win it tend to be good freaking players.

Year Player(s) Team
2011-12 Kyrie Irving Cleveland Cavaliers
2010-11 Blake Griffin Los Angeles Clippers
2009-10 Tyreke Evans Sacramento Kings
2008-09 Derrick Rose Chicago Bulls
2007-08 Kevin Durant Seattle SuperSonics
2006-07 Brandon Roy Portland Trail Blazers
2005-06 Chris Paul New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets
2004-05 Emeka Okafor Charlotte Bobcats
2003-04 LeBron James Cleveland Cavaliers
2002-03 Amar'e Stoudemire Phoenix Suns
2001-02 Pau Gasol Memphis Grizzlies
2000-01 Mike Miller Orlando Magic
1999-00 Steve Francis, Elton Brand Houston Rockets, Chicago Bulls
1998-99 Vince Carter Toronto Raptors
1997-98 Tim Duncan San Antonio Spurs
1996-97 Allen Iverson Philadelphia 76ers
1995-96 Damon Stoudamire Toronto Raptors
1994-95 Jason Kidd, Grant Hill Dallas Mavericks, Detroit Pistons
1993-94 Chris Webber Golden State Warriors
1992-93 Shaquille O'Neal Orlando Magic
1991-92 Larry Johnson Charlotte Hornets
1990-91 Derrick Coleman New Jersey Nets
1989-90 David Robinson San Antonio Spurs
1988-89 Mitch Richmond Golden State Warriors
1987-88 Mark Jackson New York Knicks
1986-87 Chuck Person Indiana Pacers
1985-86 Patrick Ewing New York Knicks
1984-85 Michael Jordan Chicago Bulls
1983-84 Ralph Sampson Houston Rockets
1982-83 Terry Cummings San Diego Clippers
1981-82 Buck Williams New Jersey Nets
1980-81 Darrell Griffith Utah Jazz
1979-80 Larry Bird Boston Celtics

 

[THE HCP]

Comparing him to Okafor IS ludicrous. It's actually a really bad comparison.

Davis is putting up 12/7 in 27min per game at the age of 19. Okafor was 22 his rookie season and averaged 35min per game.

That's fair...... but I am one of the few that could give a fuck about PER 36 or 48 or whatever. I go off of what they average, that's it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Two posts? You've been playing defensive soccer mom since the beginning of this thread.

And this "national media" is one person. One person. Lillard won ROM for February, and he's #1 virtually anywhere else you look.

Care to point some out?

Thorpe represents the national media, and this isn't the first case of national bias. Just the most recent example.

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