Dame No Longer #1 Rookie!

[Boob-No-More]

per/36 numbers were used by the Bargnani honks to try to say he was a legitimate challenger to Roy for ROY. As in:

If Bargnani played as many minutes as Roy, he'd score almost as many points.

Fortunately, ROY voting is based on actual performance (what somebody did) not hypothetical potential (what they might have done, if only...). And Brandon Roy won by a huge landslide with Bargnani's only first place vote attributed to a sizable overdose of home cooking courtesy of Raptors TV announcer Chuck "The Dumb Fuck" Swirsky.

BNM

 

[RoyToy]

That's fair...... but I am one of the few that could give a fuck about PER 36 or 48 or whatever. I go off of what they average, that's it.

Monty Williams needs to stop being such a hard ass and give his #1 pick more minutes. His team sucks and Davis is their only real chance as a future contender.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

It's still not as bad as the Brandon Wright comparison, though. That's laughable.

I didn't say anything about Davis not being better than Wright, I said they'd be similar players, and that Davis isn't a cornerstone player. On a good team, I don't see him being more than the #3 guy.

Wright's career PER is 19.4, and I think Davis is better. Not so sure why that's laughable.

After looking at those numbers for a long time, it seems to me that they are very similar.

 

[PapaG]

Monty Williams needs to stop being such a hard ass and give his #1 pick more minutes. His team sucks and Davis is their only real chance as a future contender.

Davis can't stay healthy. He's the skinniest 'banger' in NBA history at this point. He needs to put on weight or his career is going to be filled with nagging injuries.

 

[Boob-No-More]

BTW, to me, per/36 numbers are as useless as PER when evaluating rookie performance. A player that misses 1/4 of his teams' games, and has his ass glued to the bench for >20 MPG when he is healthy enough to play simply isn't contributing as much to his team as the guy who hasn't missed a game, plays an extra 10 MPG and has superior numbers.

Again, ROY is based on actual performance, not future potential.

BMM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Monty Williams needs to stop being such a hard ass and give his #1 pick more minutes. His team sucks and Davis is their only real chance as a future contender.

If Davis wants to play more he needs to stop getting injured.

Perhaps Monty has nightmares about the oft injured Davis becoming the next Greg Oden - talented big man with tons of potential that had his career completely derailed by injuries. I'm sure Monty has many unpleasant memories of all the injuries Oden suffered while Monty was an assistant here in Portland. Maybe he's just trying to prolong Davis' career. After all, if Davis is the future of the franchise, turning him into the next Greg Oden would be a huge setback for NOH.

BNM

 

[RoyToy]

Davis can't stay healthy. He's the skinniest 'banger' in NBA history at this point. He needs to put on weight or his career is going to be filled with nagging injuries.

25min a night the past two months is still too little.

And Kevin Garnett was every bit as skinny as Davis at one point in his early career

 

[Boob-No-More]

25min a night the past two months is still too little.

Yet, Davis has another nagging injury and has missed 3 more games. Looks like maybe 25MPG might be too MUCH for the fragile Davis.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

25min a night the past two months is still too little.

And Kevin Garnett was every bit as skinny as Davis at one point in his early career

True. Garnett has managed to stay healthy. I hope Davis has a great career. I like his game. I just find this thread to be a bit too much, because barring a miracle, Lillard is going to be ROY, and that usually means great things for a player's career.

 

[RoyToy]

True. Garnett has managed to stay healthy. I hope Davis has a great career. I like his game. I just find this thread to be a bit too much, because barring a miracle, Lillard is going to be ROY, and that usually means great things for a player's career.

There's obviously no doubt Lillard should win ROY.

I only started talking about Davis because I saw he was being criminally underrated in this thread and was compared to Brandon Wright. That's just ridiculous.

 

[B-Roy]

Whatever.... they've been wanting to do that all year. Fuck espn

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Seriously, it's like they had this penciled in from the start and numbers be damned. Pretty hilarious. How many rookie of the months has Davis won, by the way?

The title should really say:

"ESPN lost their damn mind"

Common sense, as in Dame hasn't missed a single game, and is playing 10 more minutes per game than Davis...

Common sense, as in Lillard has played in 12 more games this season, and I'm sure if you added up all the extra minute he's played, I'd bet it would be quite a bit more than those 12. His shooting percentage is dropping because

A) He's fucking tired

B) Defenses key on him every game.

Oh, but Davis outplayed him in one game this season so we better hand him the award, right?

Go look at their stats side-by-side and tell me that Davis is the better player. Give me a break... Oh, and thanks for tossing in the personal attack at the end. Makes you look like a real class act.

If ESPN had their way, Dame might be the first.

Care to point some out?

Thorpe represents the national media, and this isn't the first case of national bias. Just the most recent example.

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Not to mention the whole shouting match with Shooter.

I really don't see what the big deal is. One guy from ESPN currently has Davis above Lillard, big whoop. Last time I checked, David Thorpe doesn't decide who the ROY is, nor does he represent the entirety of the national media. So why not just relax and enjoy the ride?

Also, I'm not sure why you keep saying "they". This is Thorpe's opinion, as it's his own personal list. I'm sure the majority of ESPN's analysts have Lillard as ROY.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

There's obviously no doubt Lillard should win ROY.

I only started talking about Davis because I saw he was being criminally underrated in this thread and was compared to Brandon Wright. That's just ridiculous.

RIDICULOUS I TELL YOU

 

[RoyToy]

It's his 6th fucking season in the league and he's never averaged more than 17min a game

GEE I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS

 

[B-Roy]

RIDICULOUS I TELL YOU

Are you really trying to do this, REALLY?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

It's his 6th fucking season in the league and he's never averaged more than 17min a game

GEE I WONDER WHAT THE DEAL IS

Yeah, Wright's nothing special, Davis is already better and will continue to improve. Is it only okay to compare two players who have exactly the same skill level?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Are you really trying to do this, REALLY?

Can you REALLY not see that those numbers are extremely close?

 

[Natebishop3]

Not to mention the whole shouting match with Shooter.

I really don't see what the big deal is. One guy from ESPN currently has Davis above Lillard, big whoop. Last time I checked, David Thorpe doesn't decide who the ROY is, nor does he represent the entirety of the national media. So why not just relax and enjoy the ride?

Also, I'm not sure why you keep saying "they". This is Thorpe's opinion, as it's his own personal list. I'm sure the majority of ESPN's analysts have Lillard as ROY.

Half of those are me being sarcastic, so I'm not exactly sure how that's getting worked up. And one of those posts was from the Shooter thing, which was a carry over from another thread.

But again, why do you give a shit?

 

[B-Roy]

Half of those are me being sarcastic, so I'm not exactly sure how that's getting worked up. And one of those posts was from the Shooter thing, which was a carry over from another thread.

But again, why do you give a shit?

Why are you so defensive?

Geez kill me for making a comment.

 

[RoyToy]

Yeah, Wright's nothing special, Davis is already better and will continue to improve. Is it only okay to compare two players who have exactly the same skill level?

Putting the two in the same sentence is laughable and dumb.

 

[B-Roy]

Can you REALLY not see that those numbers are extremely close?

I can make scrubs look good with per36 too. It doesn't make them any less of a scrub.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I can make scrubs look good with per36 too. It doesn't make them any less of a scrub.

Show me your scrub with a 21 PER. I'll wait.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I can make scrubs look good with per36 too. It doesn't make them any less of a scrub.

Oh and their other advanced statistics need to be around the same as well.

 

[B-Roy]

Oh and their other advanced statistics need to be around the same as well.

Why bother? If he was nearly as good as his "advanced statistics" suggests, he should be averaging much more than 14.5 minutes per game.

 

[drexlersdad]

daniel orton/andray blatche/chris johnson/ kyle oquin have monster PERs and per/36 stats

MONSTER

http://www.basketball-reference.com...013&p3=johnsch03&y3=2013&p4=blatcan01&y4=2013

how do you do the widget?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Why bother? If he was nearly as good as his "advanced statistics" suggests, he should be averaging much more than 14.5 minutes per game.

Okay, this is going nowhere, you can't seem to get rid of this notion that I think Wright is as good as Davis. Even if you did realize my point, you're definitely too stubborn to admit it.

Enjoy the game tonight!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

daniel orton/andray blatche/chris johnson/ kyle oquin have monster PERs and per/36 stats

MONSTER

http://www.basketball-reference.com...013&p3=johnsch03&y3=2013&p4=blatcan01&y4=2013

how do you do the widget?

Orton, Johnson and O'Quinn haven't played enough minutes to qualify IMO, and Blatche is not a scrub.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Daniel Orton has played 39 minutes lol

 

[PapaG]

Okay, this is going nowhere, you can't seem to get rid of this notion that I think Wright is as good as Davis. Even if you did realize my point, you're definitely too stubborn to admit it.

Enjoy the game tonight!

I agree with you, in that Brandan Wright deserves more minutes. Carlisle seems to be stuck in some mode where he gives lesser players minutes. Wright is one of the rare players with a PER over 20, yet USG under 20.

I get what you were trying to say, by the way.

 

[drexlersdad]

monster

 

[B-Roy]

Okay, this is going nowhere, you can't seem to get rid of this notion that I think Wright is as good as Davis. Even if you did realize my point, you're definitely too stubborn to admit it.

Enjoy the game tonight!

No, I understand your point just fine. I just disagree with the entire notion.