Dame or BRoy?

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Fast forward 10 years

“Player X” is so much better than Lillard was. All lillard did was shoot a below average from the FG, take tons of bad shots and never got past the second round. Player X plays great defense and makes players better around him while Lillard couldn’t get any big men to play well during his career except Lamarcus”.
 
It's a worthy comparison, but I think Dame has Roy easily beat. In only one more season, Dame has played in twice as many playoff games, and has over 4,000 more career points.

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Once Dame gets the Blazers to the WCF, I think he'll be overtaking Porter in my book.
 
Brandon Roy played defense.
Yeah... not so much. Roy could, but he mostly didn't, especially early in games. To me it appeared he coasted on D and saved his energy for offense. Dame's D isn't great, but he works and doesn't take plays off.
 
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The only thing Roy has on Dame is size. Everything else tips in Dame's favor.
Unfortunately size matters a lot - if Dame was big enough to play SG we could be so much better than we are now.
 
if Dame was big enough to play SG we could be so much better than we are now.

Care to explain? How would we be so much better as he would be on the floor whether he is a shooting guard or a point guard and Lillard is the now generation type point guard which is one of the top scoring positions now.
 
The only thing Roy has on Dame is size. Everything else tips in Dame's favor.
Unfortunately size matters a lot - if Dame was big enough to play SG we could be so much better than we are now.

And if roy was a little smaller we wouldn't have had the point guard issues we had in the roy days. Size isn't relevant, skill is.

My two cents, at this point, dame takes it. I'm as big a fan of roy as anyone, but dame has been around just as long and has done more for the blazers than roy did. I think because we never got to see roy play a full NBA career, we perceive his career with rose tinted glasses and extrapolate on what COULD have been. Dame, on the other hand, is here. And he's spectacular.
 
Lillard is better.

Roy was like Melo, a killer in the clutch and could score from everywhere.

Lillard does all that and makes players around him better.
 
This idea of isolating Dame up top to finish games is getting increasingly annoying. His stats indicate that his high USG in late game situations is not warranted. His shot late last night was another of many attempts that Terry gives Dame where Lillard has come up incredibly empty.

Here are the numbers.

In situations when we are up or down 3, with less than a minute left in the 4th or OT, here are Dame's numbers in his career (both regular season and playoffs).

Year 1: 6/17 -- 35% -- Our best was Aldridge at 10/21, Wes was 6/10
Year 2: 12/28 -- 43% -- he was BY FAR our best this year. Aldridge was 5/20
Year 3: 6/21 -- 29% -- Next closest guy with attempts was Aldridge. He had 8 and hit 4 all season.
Year 4: 6/17-- 35%-- 0/7 on threes, and counting. CJ is 4/10 overall.

So that's 30/83 in 4 seasons, or 36% FG with a healthy # of those attempts coming from 3. Enough sample size to indicate that Dame's clutch gene is more of a myth than reality. As a comparison, here are the best players in this situation this season: http://bkref.com/tiny/X8wYd

For a guy who seemingly believes in %'s and efficiency stats so much, Terry does very little to actually run a play in crunch time. Hell, even a little off-ball movement to move the defense around would do wonders. Instead, we get an iso again and again and 4 guys standing around. This would be OK if Dame actually came through nearly enough times to warrant this privilege.

Here are BRoy's numbers in that same situation:
Year 1: 10/22
Year 2: 7/23 -- Outlaw was 8/9 that season!
Year 3: 13/23
Year 4: 8/18
Year 5: 6/12

( I hope this thread comes up a few weeks/months from now and blows up in my face after Dame hits consecutive buzzer beaters).

(Sidebar 2: I really wish I could find points per possession stats in these situations. This doesn't take into account FTs and points generated overall, just FG%)
 
Pretty sure Quick said that fame changed Roy. Everything that I saw over his last couple years here would support that.

Dame has been a star pretty much since he came into the league, and I have heard nothing to make me think he's a diva. Not one thing. The guy is, by all accounts, a great teammate, a great friend, and a great leader. He's a rare player simply because of his personality and his attitude.
 
Pretty sure Quick said that fame changed Roy. Everything that I saw over his last couple years here would support that.

Dame has been a star pretty much since he came into the league, and I have heard nothing to make me think he's a diva. Not one thing. The guy is, by all accounts, a great teammate, a great friend, and a great leader. He's a rare player simply because of his personality and his attitude.

You know, it's okay to like both Roy and Lillard.
 
Imagine if we had both Roy and Lillard right now and Aldridge stayed

Lillard pg

Roy sg

Aminu sf

Aldridge pf

Nurkic c

with McCollum, Harkless, Davis and Collins

That would be a team that could compete with any team and be a contender
 
It's a worthy comparison, but I think Dame has Roy easily beat. In only one more season, Dame has played in twice as many playoff games, and has over 4,000 more career points.

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Once Dame gets the Blazers to the WCF, I think he'll be overtaking Porter in my book.
I think Dame is already far better than Porter. Porter got his success on the coattails of Clyde.
 
You know, it's okay to like both Roy and Lillard.

Honestly, I don't really care for Roy that much. I loved him when he first got here, but the guy clearly changed over his four seasons in Portland, and the way exited left a bad taste in my mouth. I think he's overrated, and people look back at him with rose colored glasses because he showed up when times were at their worst, and because he had one really good season. He has been frozen in time because he retired as he was entering his prime.
 
Honestly, I don't really care for Roy that much. I loved him when he first got here, but the guy clearly changed over his four seasons in Portland, and the way exited left a bad taste in my mouth. I think he's overrated, and people look back at him with rose colored glasses because he showed up when times were at their worst, and because he had one really good season. He has been frozen in time because he retired as he was entering his prime.

To me it comes down to this. Portland paid him to retire. He then went somewhere else and played. Then he came back to the NW... and barely acknowledged Portland's existence, let alone being a part of his history and where he made his name.

Portland did him solid and he turned his back on us. Fuck him almost as much as LMA.
 
To me it comes down to this. Portland paid him to retire. He then went somewhere else and played. Then he came back to the NW... and barely acknowledged Portland's existence, let alone being a part of his history and where he made his name.

Portland did him solid and he turned his back on us. Fuck him almost as much as LMA.

The guy just seems.... sketchy. He never seemed genuine. Not like Dame. He would maneuver behind the scenes and try to leverage his station to get his way. He supposedly asked the team to trade ZBO, which ended up being a horrible trade. He wanted Steve Blake to start over Andre Miller. He didn't like that we were feeding Oden in the post. Etc etc etc.

Can you imagine Dame letting Oden isolate himself and fall into a depression without reaching out and trying to help him? I certainly can't.
 
To me it comes down to this. Portland paid him to retire. He then went somewhere else and played. Then he came back to the NW... and barely acknowledged Portland's existence, let alone being a part of his history and where he made his name.

Portland did him solid and he turned his back on us. Fuck him almost as much as LMA.
Portland forced him to retire before he wanted to admit his knees were shot.
We didn't do him a solid at all.
I'm sure he felt betrayed
 
Honestly, I don't really care for Roy that much. I loved him when he first got here, but the guy clearly changed over his four seasons in Portland, and the way exited left a bad taste in my mouth. I think he's overrated, and people look back at him with rose colored glasses because he showed up when times were at their worst, and because he had one really good season. He has been frozen in time because he retired as he was entering his prime.

Overrated? Wasn’t he ROY and then an all star three times by the time he was 25?
 
Overrated? Wasn’t he ROY and then an all star three times by the time he was 25?
As well as 2 time all NBA. Players who have surgery and play 8 days later in the playoffs is hardly selfish as he was doing it to try and help the team. It can't be easy for a player to have his body let him down and force an early retirement.
 
Roy preferred Seattle. Just like people from Portland would most likely stay loyal to Portland if they had a job for five years in Seattle. Portland people get so upset when a Blazer doesn’t fall in love with this place. When they do yeah it’s great. But so what. Roy was outstanding until his shitty knees gave in. I love Lillard and he’s been great for a long time, and I love that he loves it here. But now Roy is overrated, a bad person and left a bad taste in people’s mouths?
 
Roy preferred Seattle. Just like people from Portland would most likely stay loyal to Portland if they had a job for five years in Seattle. Portland people get so upset when a Blazer doesn’t fall in love with this place. When they do yeah it’s great. But so what. Roy was outstanding until his shitty knees gave in. I love Lillard and he’s been great for a long time, and I love that he loves it here. But now Roy is overrated, a bad person and left a bad taste in people’s mouths?

I think some see him through rose colored glasses. Some think of him and suddenly they think they remember him pissing on their Cheerios. Some recall the great moments along with some frustrations.
 
Imagine if we had both Roy and Lillard right now and Aldridge stayed

Lillard pg

Roy sg

Aminu sf

Aldridge pf

Nurkic c

with McCollum, Harkless, Davis and Collins

That would be a team that could compete with any team and be a contender

Roy playing iso-ball, LMA marshmallowing, Dame trying to bring everyone together.

Nah, I’ll pass.
 
Lillard clearly has had the better career, but R0y, at his height, was a clear top 6-7 player in the League. Dame is not there yet, and it might be because the league has so much more talent overall these days.
 
Roy was better. He was a bigger version of Lillard who played half his minutes at SF. Next question?
 
Lillard clearly has had the better career, but R0y, at his height, was a clear top 6-7 player in the League. Dame is not there yet, and it might be because the league has so much more talent overall these days.

That's the one thing that gives me pause in saying Lillard is better than Roy. The league is full of players, young and old, putting up historical numbers. How much of it is improved talent and how much is pace and style of play?
 

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