Dame requests 2nd meeting with Paul

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trailblazer18 said:
My thoughts are Dame saw Houston tie the series at 2-2 and have home court. He knows the Rockets took a big swing and brought in CP3 and it seems to be working really well. I think he wants us to take our swing now, make a big move to make it happen. Probably just wants to state his case to PA and hear his thoughts as well.
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Except the Rockets were already a contender before CP3... Blazers got swept by the Pelicans and are not even close
 
Gronk Brady said:
How would your opinion of Dame change if he does request a trade?
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It wouldn't. Dame is a class act and a great player. He wants to win a title. He will soon be on the downhill side of career. If he doesn't think the team can win in his window, then it would be better for both to separate now. Honestly, I would respect him more for doing this than for staying a Blazer forever with a string of first round exits due to lack of overall talent.
 
Gronk Brady said:
Except the Rockets were already a contender before CP3... Blazers got swept by the Pelicans and are not even close
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Maybe contenders to be the 3rd best team in the league, but not true contenders to beat the Warriors. They took their swing to actually/possibly beat the Warriors by getting CP3. Without him, they have no chance.
 
Reep said:
It wouldn't. Dame is a class act and a great player. He wants to win a title. He will soon be on the downhill side of career. If he doesn't think the team can win in his window, then it would be better for both to separate now. Honestly, I would respect him more for doing this than for staying a Blazer forever with a string of first round exits due to lack of overall talent.
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This is why I never had an issue with Drexler. He took Portland on a great run and would have gone to the Finals 3 years in a row if not for a bobbled fast break pass. (Kersey or Robinson....I forget) He ran into a back-to-back champ in the Pistons and a team on a 3-peat run in the Bulls. No shame in not winning one of those. Then the Blazers started their decline and he got the opportunity to go back home AND to win a title.

That bothers some Blazer fans but I have no issue with it. He put Portland on the map for the first time in 25 years. Still one of the most athletic players to ever play the game.
 
TBpup said:
This is why I never had an issue with Drexler. He took Portland on a great run and would have gone to the Finals 3 years in a row if not for a bobbled fast break pass. (Kersey or Robinson....I forget) He ran into a back-to-back champ in the Pistons and a team on a 3-peat run in the Bulls. No shame in not winning one of those. Then the Blazers started their decline and he got the opportunity to go back home AND to win a title.

That bothers some Blazer fans but I have no issue with it. He put Portland on the map for the first time in 25 years. Still one of the most athletic players to ever play the game.
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I still have no issue with Drexler demanding a trade. It's the complete disregard of the organization after his playing career that pisses me off.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
My favorite Blazer of all time was Wes Matthews, not because of how good he was just because of the leadership, and tenacity he played with. I remember when Korver had that long streak of making a 3 pointer in a game, and matthews was EVERYWHERE he went that night and stuffed it. I love players who take pride in playing defense.
Anyways, of course I am a Blazer fan, and will always cheer for them to win every game, but I can't get mad at players who are trying to do what they think is best for their career's and some players leave in a much better way than others...
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Kind of why I loved Kersey, never the most talented, but worked his ass off. I think we ordinary folks can relate more to people like that than those players with otherwordly talent that puts them beyond the rest of humanity.
 
TBpup said:
This is why I never had an issue with Drexler. He took Portland on a great run and would have gone to the Finals 3 years in a row if not for a bobbled fast break pass. (Kersey or Robinson....I forget) He ran into a back-to-back champ in the Pistons and a team on a 3-peat run in the Bulls. No shame in not winning one of those. Then the Blazers started their decline and he got the opportunity to go back home AND to win a title.

That bothers some Blazer fans but I have no issue with it. He put Portland on the map for the first time in 25 years. Still one of the most athletic players to ever play the game.
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It was Robinson. I remember it like it was yesterday.

I was talking to Terry about it here. He's still pissed about it. He said: "Damn.. I shoulda shot that ball..."

Me and Terry.jpg
 
Mediocre Man said:
Dame is unhappy with NO and would like PA to make sure guys Dame wants are targets. Including trading CJ.
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Fuck it let’s trade cj, I’m down. I mean I wish we didn’t have to but if that’s what needs to be done, so be it
 
Mediocre Man said:
Dame is unhappy with NO and would like PA to make sure guys Dame wants are targets. Including trading CJ.
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Well, there you have it. Dame doesn't even need to meet with Paul. He can just send you instead, since you, apparently know EXACTLY what he's thinking.

BNM
 
If Dame/CJ had produced more (in the Playoffs when it counted), I'd be okay with keeping them. But that dynamic hasn't produced one single solitary Playoff victory in the last 2 years.

2017
Every team in the Playoffs won at least 2 games except for the Thunder (1), Pacers (0) and Blazers (0)

2018
Every team in the Playoffs won at least 1 game except for the Blazers. (ugh)

So even with HCA and a #3 seed, that combination/style could not get a single win. Not sure what 'letting the cake bake' for another season does. They talk about being the best back court in the NBA. Well, make an impact then.

LeBron has absolute crap on his team in Cleveland. CJ and Nurkic would be the 2nd and 3rd best players on that roster and yet they are in the Conference Semis. I'm not saying Dame is in LeBron's league, he is not. But if he is really a 1st team All-NBA player and in a ranking of Blazer/Cav rosters, the Blazers would have 3 of the top 4 players (LeBron being #1), I find it frustrating that not one single victory could be had in the last two seasons when it mattered most.

Time to shake it up.
 
hoopsjock said:
But Dame can't have it both ways. He can't like everyone (seemingly) that Olshey has acquired, wanted to keep them, and then be mad that he didn't make moves for something better.
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I highly doubt that's the case. All we can do of course is speculate. I speculate that Dame wants to have a relationship and an open dialogue with the owner; he wants to know what Allen's philosophy and approach is for making the team a contender; he wants to make sure ownership is on the same page as him. He might want some input into some of the personnel decisions: like, if the team is choosing among three options, he might like to have some say as to how he thinks various players might fit in. For example, playing in the NBA is a relatively small club. Dame probably has some opinions on the personalities of a lot of the players, and who he thinks would fit into the Blazers team culture; which IMO is Dame's culture. But I don't see Dame trying to usurp the GM. Just provide input. Which I think is fair. I will just finish by saying Dame is not dumb. He knows the score better than any of us. IMO.

:cheers:
 
Reep said:
It wouldn't. Dame is a class act and a great player. He wants to win a title. He will soon be on the downhill side of career. If he doesn't think the team can win in his window, then it would be better for both to separate now. Honestly, I would respect him more for doing this than for staying a Blazer forever with a string of first round exits due to lack of overall talent.
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Exactly. If Dame ever decides he wants out of Portland, he won't be a lying snake in the grass. He'll be up front about it, at least with management. Of that I feel certain.

:cheers:
 
It really bothers me when a player interferes with GM duties... for all we know Dame could have been the one to nix a trade at the last deadline... maybe he told Paul Allen he likes his guys and wants to roll with them... I just wish Dame would stay out of it... if he is telling Paul not to trade CJ it would be very upsetting... especially since they haven’t produced in playoffs, therefore I don’t believe he has earned the right to have any say in roster moves
 
Gronk Brady said:
Except the Rockets were already a contender before CP3... Blazers got swept by the Pelicans and are not even close
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what were they contending for before this season? 3 years they got knocked out in the first round and the other 2 they lost in the second round. Seems very similar to us before this year.
 
TBpup said:
If Dame/CJ had produced more (in the Playoffs when it counted), I'd be okay with keeping them. But that dynamic hasn't produced one single solitary Playoff victory in the last 2 years.

2017
Every team in the Playoffs won at least 2 games except for the Thunder (1), Pacers (0) and Blazers (0)

2018
Every team in the Playoffs won at least 1 game except for the Blazers. (ugh)

So even with HCA and a #3 seed, that combination/style could not get a single win. Not sure what 'letting the cake bake' for another season does. They talk about being the best back court in the NBA. Well, make an impact then.

LeBron has absolute crap on his team in Cleveland. CJ and Nurkic would be the 2nd and 3rd best players on that roster and yet they are in the Conference Semis. I'm not saying Dame is in LeBron's league, he is not. But if he is really a 1st team All-NBA player and in a ranking of Blazer/Cav rosters, the Blazers would have 3 of the top 4 players (LeBron being #1), I find it frustrating that not one single victory could be had in the last two seasons when it mattered most.

Time to shake it up.
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To me, last season’s playoffs are irrelevant to team-planning decisions. It was the Warriors and Nurkic was injured. This year’s playoffs are definitely relevant to team-planning. The question is what does the Blazers’ lack of success say about what needs to be done?

Any analysis that doesn’t recognize that the Blazers were competing against a team with two first team NBA All Defensive Team players is flawed. Holiday and Davis were able to shut down the Blazers’ back court like no other team all season. To me, that doesn’t say the Blazers’ back court players are the problem; it says the players at other positions weren’t strong enough to force the Pelicans to stop double teaming Dame and CJ. It also says the bench continued to be weak. I want to see Olshey bolster the rest of the squad by adding some vets and then see how the team performs next season before breaking up Dame and CJ.
 
TBpup said:
If Dame/CJ had produced more (in the Playoffs when it counted), I'd be okay with keeping them. But that dynamic hasn't produced one single solitary Playoff victory in the last 2 years.

2017
Every team in the Playoffs won at least 2 games except for the Thunder (1), Pacers (0) and Blazers (0)

2018
Every team in the Playoffs won at least 1 game except for the Blazers. (ugh)

So even with HCA and a #3 seed, that combination/style could not get a single win. Not sure what 'letting the cake bake' for another season does. They talk about being the best back court in the NBA. Well, make an impact then.

LeBron has absolute crap on his team in Cleveland. CJ and Nurkic would be the 2nd and 3rd best players on that roster and yet they are in the Conference Semis. I'm not saying Dame is in LeBron's league, he is not. But if he is really a 1st team All-NBA player and in a ranking of Blazer/Cav rosters, the Blazers would have 3 of the top 4 players (LeBron being #1), I find it frustrating that not one single victory could be had in the last two seasons when it mattered most.

Time to shake it up.
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Nope. The problem is we have dogshit for forwards. When we improve that we'll be better.
 
hoopsjock said:
I know this is just going to sound like me being an Olshey apologist again but I have to say it. Dame is the one who wanted to keep Davis at the deadline. Dame is the one always saying to keep Stotts. Dame is the one who's buddies with CJ and doesn't want him traded too. Dame is the one who at previous trade deadlines has lobbied for management to keep the team together.

So I think it would be kinda bullshit if he then goes over Olshey's head to demand he make better moves.
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Yeah, honestly I don't want Dame involved with personnel decisions. He's worse than Olshey at talent evaluation. Loyalty is a great attribute, but when it comes to building a team it's a hindrance.
 
Boob-No-More said:
So did Canzano. I wonder if you guys share the same anonymous source. You both like to take an unsubstantiated rumor and propagate it as if it's a fact.

BNM
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So because you took what I said as me stating fact, it's on me?
 
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