Trade Idea Dame Trade Ideas

[SharpesTriumph]

Yup. And if the Blazers trade Dame away and don’t re-sign Grant, and go full youth movement, that’s essentially what the Blazers will become for the next several seasons. A fun little squad of high-flying dunkers for the fans of real NBA teams to enjoy watching their teams win against.

If Blazers don't have Grant or Dame contract they'll have a lot of salary space to gain other assets or get better.

Since we've won the same amount of playoff games as the Thunder the last 4 years I don't see much downside. I'd rather try to build towards something instead of these complete doomed to fail attempts of winning, which accomplished nothing.

 

[Hoopguru]

Correct, yeah that was the comparison I was thinking of, would be silly to use stats from those games just like Ignite.

I get it...It's a junior training ground and an alternative for guys that want to take another route. Thats cool.
Scoot could be a hell of a a player and I do trust that management is more plugged into the Dame situation than more than anyone. I would expect once Dame is done vacationing with family we'll hear more from him.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If Blazers don't have Grant or Dame contract they'll have a lot of salary space to gain other assets or get better.

Since we've won the same amount of playoff games as the Thunder the last 4 years I don't see much downside. I'd rather try to build towards something instead of these complete doomed to fail attempts of winning, which accomplished nothing.

Not having Dame's contract means what.......we trade him for expiring contracts? So I guess that might help us next summer.

Not signing Grant would help us with the MLE this summer but I believe he is the 7th-rated FA this year...so can we do better with the 12 million MLE?

Let's remember Portland does not do well with FA signing so yes the space can still help, but nothing that will get us difference-makers. Trading Dame to a Miami is going to get us a few late 1st round picks. Trading his to the Nets gets us what.......Phoenix's picks. Not thrilled with that scenario either. We are looking at a long building process. A process that has failed more than it has succeeded, especially since we do not have the luxury of helping the process with Vets choosing to go there like the Lakers or even Philly.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yup. And if the Blazers trade Dame away and don’t re-sign Grant, and go full youth movement, that’s essentially what the Blazers will become for the next several seasons. A fun little squad of high-flying dunkers for the fans of real NBA teams to enjoy watching their teams win against.

Define “several seasons”

IF Scoot and Sharpe pan out it’s likely 3 years of rebuilding

 

[e_blazer]

Define “several seasons”

IF Scoot and Sharpe pan out it’s likely 3 years of rebuilding

Sorry, but this belief in quick turnarounds through drafting very young players is fools gold. I’m as impressed as anyone by the physical abilities of Scoot and Shaedon, but they both came into the league at 19 years of age without having played a minute of major college basketball. Neither has proven himself by playing through an NCAA season and the pressure of the March Madness tournament. Despite that, you think they are going to lead the Blazers into the NBA playoffs at the age of 22 or 23? The only guy I can think of who performed like that is Kobe and he did it playing with one of the most dominant centers in league history and an experienced team.

 

[e_blazer]

If Blazers don't have Grant or Dame contract they'll have a lot of salary space to gain other assets or get better.

Since we've won the same amount of playoff games as the Thunder the last 4 years I don't see much downside. I'd rather try to build towards something instead of these complete doomed to fail attempts of winning, which accomplished nothing.

Most of what I would say in response is covered by Pinwheel1’s post. The other is that it’s a much quicker road to relevancy starting from a base of Dame and Grant than it is from NBA kindergarten and the mix of dreck and future picks you’re likely to get by trading Dame.

 

[Natebishop3]

Sorry, but this belief in quick turnarounds through drafting very young players is fools gold. I’m as impressed as anyone by the physical abilities of Scoot and Shaedon, but they both came into the league at 19 years of age without having played a minute of major college basketball. Neither has proven himself by playing through an NCAA season and the pressure of the March Madness tournament. Despite that, you think they are going to lead the Blazers into the NBA playoffs at the age of 22 or 23? The only guy I can think of who performed like that is Kobe and he did it playing with one of the most dominant centers in league history and an experienced team.

I think if Shae and Scoot pop and we add the right people around them, we could be relevant in three years. Not a contender. Maybe at best a playin team… but that’s basically where we are now.

 

[LayneStaley]

In a perfect world one more top 5 lottery pick from our own Big 3 lol. One can dream.

 

[e_blazer]

I think if Shae and Scoot pop and we add the right people around them, we could be relevant in three years. Not a contender. Maybe at best a playin team… but that’s basically where we are now.

There’s a lot of wiggle room in those two qualifiers. If they “pop” to All-Star levels in 3 years. If “the right people” includes very good established NBA players who can keep the ship steady when things get tough. If that happens, maybe you’ve got a 8th seed. It’s a lot easier road if the right people include Dame, Grant and other guys Cronin can add this summer.

 

[Natebishop3]

There’s a lot of wiggle room in those two qualifiers. If they “pop” to All-Star levels in 3 years. If “the right people” includes very good established NBA players who can keep the ship steady when things get tough. If that happens, maybe you’ve got a 8th seed. It’s a lot easier road if the right people include Dame, Grant and other guys Cronin can add this summer.

Well… how could we possibly predict the success of the team without knowing several key decisions. That’s impossible.

If Dame is traded, what do we get for him?

Do we bring back Jerami? Do we sign and trade? Does he walk for nothing?

What do we get for Simons and Nurk?

You’re asking for a prediction based on a scenario that doesn’t exist, so yes… I’m going to add qualifiers because I have no idea what the team will look like in three months.

 

[Cugel]

How many years did it take Memphis after getting Ja? They are pretty relevant, and their defense will be suffocating. OKC is pretty relevant too. Now SGA is a bit older than the rest of the team but the average age is pretty young.

 

[Strenuus]

There’s a lot of wiggle room in those two qualifiers. If they “pop” to All-Star levels in 3 years. If “the right people” includes very good established NBA players who can keep the ship steady when things get tough. If that happens, maybe you’ve got a 8th seed. It’s a lot easier road if the right people include Dame, Grant and other guys Cronin can add this summer.

We've been trying to add to dame and marginal player for 9 years, so it makes sense people are done with that ride lol

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sorry, but this belief in quick turnarounds through drafting very young players is fools gold. I’m as impressed as anyone by the physical abilities of Scoot and Shaedon, but they both came into the league at 19 years of age without having played a minute of major college basketball. Neither has proven himself by playing through an NCAA season and the pressure of the March Madness tournament. Despite that, you think they are going to lead the Blazers into the NBA playoffs at the age of 22 or 23? The only guy I can think of who performed like that is Kobe and he did it playing with one of the most dominant centers in league history and an experienced team.

Port, OKC, Philly all did it quickly

 

[BigGameDamian]

Lmao, bunch of drama queens in here because his family played the song on the background as a joke in a public place where he has no control of what music played.

He may not have control over the music but he does have control over what goes live over his instagram feed.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Sorry, but this belief in quick turnarounds through drafting very young players is fools gold. I’m as impressed as anyone by the physical abilities of Scoot and Shaedon, but they both came into the league at 19 years of age without having played a minute of major college basketball. Neither has proven himself by playing through an NCAA season and the pressure of the March Madness tournament. Despite that, you think they are going to lead the Blazers into the NBA playoffs at the age of 22 or 23? The only guy I can think of who performed like that is Kobe and he did it playing with one of the most dominant centers in league history and an experienced team.

Durant got to the playoffs in year 3 which was Harden and Ibaka's rookie year. They made the conference finals the following season winning a game. That's more than Dame has ever done in Portland.

Scoot Sharpe and other assets you mention is a great foundation if the Blazers can add two other good young starters in the next few years.

I'm not saying dump Dame for nothing, or that the team even has to trade him. But I am saying the Blazers should now build the team around the future of Scoot and Sharpe.

 

[Hoopguru]

Sorry, but this belief in quick turnarounds through drafting very young players is fools gold. I’m as impressed as anyone by the physical abilities of Scoot and Shaedon, but they both came into the league at 19 years of age without having played a minute of major college basketball. Neither has proven himself by playing through an NCAA season and the pressure of the March Madness tournament. Despite that, you think they are going to lead the Blazers into the NBA playoffs at the age of 22 or 23? The only guy I can think of who performed like that is Kobe and he did it playing with one of the most dominant centers in league history and an experienced team.

It's a roll of the dice for sure.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

We've been trying to add to dame and marginal player for 9 years, so it makes sense people are done with that ride lol

Yeah exactly. Building the team around Dame and Grant with spare parts just isn't going to work. If we had got an All NBA player to pair with them okay maybe. But that ship has sailed - time to build for the future around Scoot and Sharpe.

If Dame wants to be a CP3 in PHX or a Kidd in Dallas role player that's great. But the key to the Blazers future is no longer revolving around Dame.

 

[sheed30]

He may not have control over the music but he does have control over what goes live over his instagram feed.

The feed was already live my god, then that song played after...

Stop grasping at straws, it looks pathetic.

Should he have shut the live stream off because of that? or yell to the DJ to turn it off? He was laughing about it, as should everyone else.

Such silliness man, bunch of sensitive fellas

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

In a rebuild…

I’d look at Utah with a package of picks and Kessler+

 

[Natebishop3]

In a rebuild…

I’d look at Utah with a package of picks and Kessler+

Isn’t utah rebuiling?

 

[LayneStaley]

If we can’t get Barnes, Wagner or Allen back in part of a Dame trade then I think I’m now leaning towards all expirings and massive picks.

 

[Sloth]

Send Dame to Miami for their 1 and 2 pick next season, Herro, D. Robinson and/or Caleb Martin.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I am not sure OKC is not a good example for one reason, SGA is a special young talent that they got in a trade. I have been asking everyone which team that wants Dame, has such a player they are willing to part with. Still waiting

 

[blazerkor]

If we can’t get Barnes, Wagner or Allen back in part of a Dame trade then I think I’m now leaning towards all expirings and massive picks.

I don't think that Dame is a real fit on Orlando or especially Cleveland. He would fit on Toronto but they actually don't have the expirings to send back with Barnes and lets say Precious to make the deal work I mean if they also wanted to give up GTjr and we wanted him back after he shit talked us just a few years ago then I guess we could make it work but they only have three tradeable firsts.

I still think that Brooklyn with their two rookies they just drafted, expiring contracts including Claxton who would be nice to extend and up to 7 future firsts that are tradeable makes the most sense for us and what we need.

 

[blazerkor]

Send Dame to Miami for their 1 and 2 pick next season, Herro, D. Robinson and/or Caleb Martin.

WTF?!? Are you a heat fan? We don't need a guard, Duncan is trash and Martin plus one FRP which would likely be 30th and a SRP which would likely be 60th for the third leading scorer in the league who also averaged over 7 assists?

There are better packages out there than that. I am sure Brooklyn would give us a helluva lot more that makes so much more sense with what we are trying to do and that's with me having tunnel vision on Brooklyn there are probably teams that I'm missing.

 

[Hoopguru]

WTF?!? Are you a heat fan? We don't need a guard, Duncan is trash and Martin plus one FRP which would likely be 30th and a SRP which would likely be 60th for the third leading scorer in the league who also averaged over 7 assists?

There are better packages out there than that. I am sure Brooklyn would give us a helluva lot more that makes so much more sense with what we are trying to do and that's with me having tunnel vision on Brooklyn there are probably teams that I'm missing.

Maybe we end up with Bam after all....

 

[Sloth]

WTF?!? Are you a heat fan? We don't need a guard, Duncan is trash and Martin plus one FRP which would likely be 30th and a SRP which would likely be 60th for the third leading scorer in the league who also averaged over 7 assists?

There are better packages out there than that. I am sure Brooklyn would give us a helluva lot more that makes so much more sense with what we are trying to do and that's with me having tunnel vision on Brooklyn there are probably teams that I'm missing.

Lighten up Francis, I am trying to come up with scenarios here. Who would you want from Miami?

 

[e_blazer]

Port, OKC, Philly all did it quickly

I'm not sure which iteration of the the Blazers you're referring to. Clyde? He came into a pretty stocked team in 1983 that subsequently added Kersey and Porter in 1985 and went to the Conference Semi-finals. But that was a much different situation than building from nothin.

OKC drafted Durant in 2007, Westbrook in 2008 and Harden in 2009 and went to the Conference Semifinals in 2011 and WCF in 2012. That's a pretty tough accomplishment to match with Durant, Westbrook and Harden being All-NBA and MVP level talent.

Not sure which Philly version you're talking about.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm not sure which iteration of the the Blazers you're referring to. Clyde? He came into a pretty stocked team in 1983 that subsequently added Kersey and Porter in 1985 and went to the Conference Semi-finals. But that was a much different situation than building from nothin.

OKC drafted Durant in 2007, Westbrook in 2008 and Harden in 2009 and went to the Conference Semi0finals in 2011 and WCF in 2012. That's a pretty tough accomplishment to match with Durant, Westbrook and Harden being All-NBA and MVP level talent.

Not sure which Philly version you're talking about.

I think he's referring to the shift from Porter/Drexler/Buck/Kersey to Sheed/Rider/Sabas/Anderson and then Sheed/Smith/Pippen/Damon etc.

 

[BankTeller]

I have a strong hunch that if Dame get’s traded, it will be around the deadline and not before the year starts. Maybe Herro will play himself into a position where a third team will want him as the season progresses, but he can’t be the centerpiece of a deal for Dame. I can’t imagine Dame being very upset if we send him to the Nets. We can at least get several 1sts from them.

We would actually have a better start to a rebuild than the Rockets or Thunder had. OKC had SGA to start their rebuild, HOU had no one. We have Sharpe who complements Scoot as a player, and can continue to find shooters to put around Scoot.

Schmitz’s picks so far: Sharpe, Walker, Scoot, Murray, Rupert. Murray is my least favorite out of the bunch, that’s saying a lot seeing how effective Keegan was year 1. It will be interesting to see how much this team can grow internally if Schmitz was given, say, five more 1sts in the next 3 years.

My hope is that if Dame requests a trade to try and win it all, that he’ll come back to play 1-2 years before he retires. Let’s put together a team good enough to give Dame a young team that he can still compete with in his later 30s like CP3 did will the Suns.