Trade Idea Dame Trade Ideas

[e_blazer]

I think he's referring to the shift from Porter/Drexler/Buck/Kersey to Sheed/Rider/Sabas/Anderson and then Sheed/Smith/Pippen/Damon etc.

That can't be it. The Blazers didn't draft any of those guys.

 

[blazerkor]

Lighten up Francis, I am trying to come up with scenarios here. Who would you want from Miami?

Miami doesn't have the players or picks to make a deal work... not that they'd be willing to give up. Bam would be great but that's not what they're trying to do. Their fans that think they're getting Dame are crazy when Dame named Brooklyn in the same interview that he named Miami and Brookly actually has assets we would want.

Also just to play your game why isn't Jovic in your proposal or the rights to Jaquez or any of there other two tradeable future first round picks. If you really are trying to come up with viable trade scenarios try harder.

 

[Natebishop3]

That can't be it. The Blazers didn't draft any of those guys.

Roy/LMA/Oden?

 

[Sloth]

Miami doesn't have the players or picks to make a deal work... not that they'd be willing to give up. Bam would be great but that's not what they're trying to do. Their fans that think they're getting Dame are crazy when Dame named Brooklyn in the same interview that he named Miami and Brookly actually has assets we would want.

Also just to play your game why isn't Jovic in your proposal or the rights to Jaquez or any of there other two tradeable future first round picks. If you really are trying to come up with viable trade scenarios try harder.

Well yes Bam would be the best to be in the deal, but Heat are trying to have a big trio again if you will so as you say they really probably do not want to part with him unless its something massive, which we cannot do, not Dame on his own at least.

Struggling to really see the best scenarios with Miami, probably best if we look elsewhere if dealing Dame is what is the plan.

Jovic is a decent project though yes.

In the grand scheme of things, not a ton of teams that are really viable trade partners in regards to Dame's value imo; narrows our choices down quite a bit.

 

[blazerkor]

I have a strong hunch that if Dame get’s traded, it will be around the deadline and not before the year starts. Maybe Herro will play himself into a position where a third team will want him as the season progresses, but he can’t be the centerpiece of a deal for Dame. I can’t imagine Dame being very upset if we send him to the Nets. We can at least get several 1sts from them.

We would actually have a better start to a rebuild than the Rockets or Thunder had. OKC had SGA to start their rebuild, HOU had no one. We have Sharpe who complements Scoot as a player, and can continue to find shooters to put around Scoot.

Schmitz’s picks so far: Sharpe, Walker, Scoot, Murray, Rupert. Murray is my least favorite out of the bunch, that’s saying a lot seeing how effective Keegan was year 1. It will be interesting to see how much this team can grow internally if Schmitz was given, say, five more 1sts in the next 3 years.

My hope is that if Dame requests a trade to try and win it all, that he’ll come back to play 1-2 years before he retires. Let’s put together a team good enough to give Dame a young team that he can still compete with in his later 30s like CP3 did will the Suns.

I have a hunch that Dame won't suit up for us again unless Joe is gone. Again how do you think Dame feels when he hears Joe today saying that they had so many offers for pick 23? I don't think it's the behavior of someone as involved as Dame has been to only communicate with his team through his agent (vacation or not) right after a draft that went this way if he's planning on sticking around.

I'm just going to believe the last things I heard from Dame's mouth, he wants to be here but he's not down with a youth movement, if the team decides to go that way that's not his way.

 

[e_blazer]

Roy/LMA/Oden?

Maybe that's what he meant, but those teams never got out of the first round, right? Is that contending?

 

[Natebishop3]

I have a hunch that Dame won't suit up for us again unless Joe is gone. Again how do you think Dame feels when he hears Joe today saying that they had so many offers for pick 23? I don't think it's the behavior of someone as involved as Dame has been to only communicate with his team through his agent (vacation or not) right after a draft that went this way if he's planning on sticking around.

I'm just going to believe the last things I heard from Dame's mouth, he wants to be here but he's not down with a youth movement, if the team decides to go that way that's not his way.

I don't think Joe will be gone until Jody is gone.

And I think Joe is making moves that he can explain in job interviews when his time here is done.

 

[blazerkor]

I don't think Joe will be gone until Jody is gone.

And I think Joe is making moves that he can explain in job interviews when his time here is done.

Then I think he has to trade Dame. I don't think the two timeline thing is easy to explain in job interviews but making the tough but prudent decision to do a youth rebuild and get Dame to a good team while getting fair compensation for him that contributes to the youth rebuild would be very easy to explain.

 

[Blazinaway]

I have a hunch that Dame won't suit up for us again unless Joe is gone. Again how do you think Dame feels when he hears Joe today saying that they had so many offers for pick 23? I don't think it's the behavior of someone as involved as Dame has been to only communicate with his team through his agent (vacation or not) right after a draft that went this way if he's planning on sticking around.

I'm just going to believe the last things I heard from Dame's mouth, he wants to be here but he's not down with a youth movement, if the team decides to go that way that's not his way.

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And that's all totally fine from both sides, sure seems like Por is choosing to rebuild and it's time to move Dame. My take is the offers for 3 were shitty and if that's the case why bother trading the 23? It's meaningless to get a middling asset at best vs what the 3 "could" bring, so may as well draft. I think everyone is now in the process of digesting all this and POR commits to full rebuild and Dame moves on and hopefully gets a chance to compete for the championship.

 

[Blazinaway]

Then I think he has to trade Dame. I don't think the two timeline thing is easy to explain in job interviews but making the tough but prudent decision to do a youth rebuild and get Dame to a good team while getting fair compensation for him that contributes to the youth rebuild would be very easy to explain.

IMO the "two timeline" thing was doomed, not gonna work given what we have to work with. Fukkin commit to a rebuild and move Dame to a contender and get a solid haul back is so obviously the correct path forward at this time. Dame THANK YOU for the memories and hope you can win a title wherever you end up - Nets is my guess

 

[blazerkor]

IMO the "two timeline" thing was doomed, not gonna work given what we have to work with. Fukkin commit to a rebuild and move Dame to a contender and get a solid haul back is so obviously the correct path forward at this time. Dame THANK YOU for the memories and hope you can win a title wherever you end up - Nets is my guess

That's my guess too and not at mid season. I bet it happens really soon while we can get the rights to their first rounders from the draft that just happened and so everyone can settle in with their teams during the summer instead of being behind the curve in adapting to each other.

 

[wizenheimer]

Define “several seasons”

IF Scoot and Sharpe pan out it’s likely 3 years of rebuilding

very unlikely

SGA was in his 5th season this year, and his 4th in OKC. He was named to the 1st team all-NBA. He averaged 31-5-6. And he's on a team with a balanced roster and quite a bit of fine young talent. And it was the 4th straight lottery for OKC

I like Sharpe and believe he'll be a good player...maybe great. But the chances he'll be as good as SGA in the 2025-26 season is about 3 zip-codes beyond realistic

rebuilds take time, and they take quite a bit of luck to be successful. And when a team starts it's rebuild by trading away a franchise player, it seems the rebuild takes even longer

it's one thing to be in favor of a rebuild. It's another to try and sell the virtues of a rebuild by claiming it will be fast. It won't be

 

[wizenheimer]

Send Dame to Miami for their 1 and 2 pick next season, Herro, D. Robinson and/or Caleb Martin.

Miami does not have a 1st round pick to trade till 2028. I don't know how many times that has to be pointed out

 

[Sloth]

Miami does not have a 1st round pick to trade till 2028. I don't know how many times that has to be pointed out

I blame the shrooms friend.

 

[Natebishop3]

very unlikely

SGA was in his 5th season this year, and his 4th in OKC. He was named to the 1st team all-NBA. He averaged 31-5-6. And he's on a team with a balanced roster and quite a bit of fine young talent. And it was the 4th straight lottery for OKC

I like Sharpe and believe he'll be a good player...maybe great. But the chances he'll be as good as SGA in the 2025-26 season is about 3 zip-codes beyond realistic

rebuilds take time, and they take quite a bit of luck to be successful. And when a team starts it's rebuild by trading away a franchise player, it seems the rebuild takes even longer

it's one thing to be in favor of a rebuild. It's another to try and sell the virtues of a rebuild by claiming it will be fast. It won't be

Side question - how much would it delay our rebuild if Chauncey is a crap coach?

 

[wizenheimer]

seems like there are several different definitions of rebuilds in this thread. And some pretty liberal definitions of when the rebuild could be counted as a success

Portland went into a rebuild mode in 2003-04. They spent 5 years in the lottery, then three 1st round exits, then the rebuild crashed and two more years in the lottery. 10 years...7 lotteries

 

[wizenheimer]

Side question - how much would it delay our rebuild if Chauncey is a crap coach?

maybe it wouldn't because in a rebuild, losses are the foundational bricks of high lottery picks

 

[Pinwheel1]

I have a hunch that Dame won't suit up for us again unless Joe is gone. Again how do you think Dame feels when he hears Joe today saying that they had so many offers for pick 23? I don't think it's the behavior of someone as involved as Dame has been to only communicate with his team through his agent (vacation or not) right after a draft that went this way if he's planning on sticking around.

I'm just going to believe the last things I heard from Dame's mouth, he wants to be here but he's not down with a youth movement, if the team decides to go that way that's not his way.

You are essentially saying on June 24th, that there will not be any moves before the season starts? That seems unlikely to me.
It will not be for the all-star we all wanted, but it seems unlikely that Joe does not add someone better than what we could have gotten for 23. I would not be surprised if Murray was included in a deal with Ant for DDR.

 

[Natebishop3]

seems like there are several different definitions of rebuilds in this thread. And some pretty liberal definitions of when the rebuild could be counted as a success

Portland went into a rebuild mode in 2003-04. They spent 5 years in the lottery, then three 1st round exits, then the rebuild crashed and two more years in the lottery. 10 years...7 lotteries

Ok, firstly, we didn't go into rebuild until 04-05. That was the year we fired Cheeks and put Pritchard in as coach to tank. We were still trying to win in 03-04. I know this because I was there

Also, another main difference is that the rebuild started with a foundation of Sebastian Telfair, Darius Miles, and Zach Randolph.

Things didn't turn around until we got Roy/LMA. Roy and LMA were drafted in 06-07 and we were back in the playoffs in 08-09. So within two years of drafting Roy and Aldridge, we were back in the playoffs. The only reason why that was derailed was because of the health of Roy and Oden. If Those three players stayed healthy, we might have won a ring. We would not have gone back into the lottery. That was bad luck.

So the rebuild started in 04-05 and was done in 08-09. Three years of tanking and being crappy until we were back in the playoffs.

Do you think technically our rebuild started two years ago? We have the foundation. We're not starting from scratch. Scoot and Shae are both young, talented, and healthy. Hopefully they're our Brandon Roy/Dame and we can try to go get our star forward.

 

[blazerkor]

You are essentially saying on June 24th, that there will not be any moves before the season starts? That seems unlikely to me.
It will not be for the all-star we all wanted, but it seems unlikely that Joe does not add someone better than what we could have gotten for 23. I would not be surprised if Murray was included in a deal with Ant for DDR.

No I'm saying that Dame said that if the team wants to go the youth route that's not the route for him... that's what the dude said, then the team went all youth on draft day and since then Dame hasn't talked with the team but his agent has in Joe's words constantly. To me that does actually signify that there will be a lot of movement between now and the start of the season. I think we'll trade Dame, Nurk and sign and trade Jerami.

I'm not saying that it's impossible that Joe salvages things with Dame and we try to do this asinine two timelines bullshit. I'm saying that's not what Dame said he wanted, he said he was done with youth and wanted the team to concentrate on adding win now known talent. Maybe we will have Dame and Jerami on the roster along with some additional win now talent on opening day, it's just not the way things seem they're going to me.

 

[Pinwheel1]

No I'm saying that Dame said that if the team wants to go the youth route that's not the route for him... that's what the dude said, then the team went all youth on draft day and since then Dame hasn't talked with the team but his agent has in Joe's words constantly. To me that does actually signify that there will be a lot of movement between now and the start of the season. I think we'll trade Dame, Nurk and sign and trade Jerami.

I'm not saying that it's impossible that Joe salvages things with Dame and we try to do this asinine two timelines bullshit. I'm saying that's not what Dame said he wanted, he said he was done with youth and wanted the team to concentrate on adding win now known talent. Maybe we will have Dame and Jerami on the roster along with some additional win now talent on opening day, it's just not the way things seem they're going to me.

The two-timeline theory is not asinine at all. Good young talent and good older vets will work just fine....if you have quality players for each. Hell, even 3 timelines make sense. (4 in their 30s, 5 in their mid 20's and 5 "youngins") I am not sure why fans are so obsessed with one timeline.

 

[wizenheimer]

Ok, firstly, we didn't go into rebuild until 04-05. That was the year we fired Cheeks and put Pritchard in as coach to tank. We were still trying to win in 03-04. I know this because I was there

Also, another main difference is that the rebuild started with a foundation of Sebastian Telfair, Darius Miles, and Zach Randolph.

Things didn't turn around until we got Roy/LMA. Roy and LMA were drafted in 06-07 and we were back in the playoffs in 08-09. So within two years of drafting Roy and Aldridge, we were back in the playoffs. The only reason why that was derailed was because of the health of Roy and Oden. If Those three players stayed healthy, we might have won a ring. We would not have gone back into the lottery. That was bad luck.

So the rebuild started in 04-05 and was done in 08-09. Three years of tanking and being crappy until we were back in the playoffs.

Do you think technically our rebuild started two years ago? We have the foundation. We're not starting from scratch. Scoot and Shae are both young, talented, and healthy. Hopefully they're our Brandon Roy/Dame and we can try to go get our star forward.

what I'm saying is that if Portland trades Dame and does the smart thing, which is trade Ant-Nurkic-Grant, the chances of the Blazers making it back to the playoffs by 2026 are so small it's not realistic or reasonable to sell the rebuild with that kind of expectation...which is what people are doing

 

[Natebishop3]

what I'm saying is that if Portland trades Dame and does the smart thing, which is trade Ant-Nurkic-Grant, the chances of the Blazers making it back to the playoffs by 2026 are so small it's not realistic or reasonable to sell the rebuild with that kind of expectation...which is what people are doing

I don't necessarily think we would be back that fast because Scoot and Shae are so young. Buuuuuuut you can't say there isn't precedent. Roy and LMA got us back real fast... but I think the team had better veterans. I wish we had Prz.

 

[blazerkor]

The two-timeline theory is not asinine at all. Good young talent and good older vets will work just fine....if you have quality players for each. Hell, even 3 timelines make sense. (4 in their 30s, 5 in their mid 20's and 5 "youngins") I am not sure why fans are so obsessed with one timeline.

Yeah it might seem a lot less foolish if the two most valuable pieces weren't point guards and if I hadn't had to endure seven or eight seasons straight with Dame having to share the back court with guys his size. None of it matters because Dame was no selling the two timelines thing last we heard. Now the team isn't hearing anything from him and is only hearing from his agent.

There is a difference between having guys developing, having the majority of your value in mid 20s vets and older vets and what we're doing. Our most valuable player arguably is Dame at soon to be 33, next most valuable 20 year old Scoot, next 20 year old Shaedon, next 29 year old Jerami, there is a lack of balance here and we still don't have enough size off the bench.

Sure work can be done that I don't foresee, I'm wrong a lot. I just think taking guys with all three picks, sounding very excited to keep all three and what Dame had to say before the draft all add up to Dame asking out and being gone before free agency starts... now that we know that Dame was only trade restricted for 6 months not 12.

 

[Mediocre Man]

very unlikely

SGA was in his 5th season this year, and his 4th in OKC. He was named to the 1st team all-NBA. He averaged 31-5-6. And he's on a team with a balanced roster and quite a bit of fine young talent. And it was the 4th straight lottery for OKC

I like Sharpe and believe he'll be a good player...maybe great. But the chances he'll be as good as SGA in the 2025-26 season is about 3 zip-codes beyond realistic

rebuilds take time, and they take quite a bit of luck to be successful. And when a team starts it's rebuild by trading away a franchise player, it seems the rebuild takes even longer

it's one thing to be in favor of a rebuild. It's another to try and sell the virtues of a rebuild by claiming it will be fast. It won't be

Rebuilds do take time. I like it for us because it gives us a light at the end of the tunnel instead of year after year of purgatory.

Absolutely see both sides

 

[lamlor]

People act as if a rebuild would be hard to watch. The last two years have been hard to watch. Let's moves forward and not look back. Nothing to lose.

 

[Chris Craig]

what I'm saying is that if Portland trades Dame and does the smart thing, which is trade Ant-Nurkic-Grant, the chances of the Blazers making it back to the playoffs by 2026 are so small it's not realistic or reasonable to sell the rebuild with that kind of expectation...which is what people are doing

Yeah, we also wouldn't need to worry about getting our pick back/opening future picks for trades with Chicago because by the time we are relevant they will be getting a second rounder instead.

 

[maxiep]

That's a little harsh...I'm pretty sure the team asked Dame to shut it down half way through the season, but you are correct, he has not won anything of significance.

I think he's talking about Scoot, not Dame.

 

[e_blazer]

People act as if a rebuild would be hard to watch. The last two years have been hard to watch. Let's moves forward and not look back. Nothing to lose.

What we have now in the way of young talent is exactly because of the ugly last two years. There’s no need for more intentional tanking. In all likelihood, the games next season will be a lot more fun if we add the young talent to a veteran core around Dame and Grant than if we go full youth movement.

 

[lamlor]

What we have now in the way of young talent is exactly because of the ugly last two years. There’s no need for more intentional tanking. In all likelihood, the games next season will be a lot more fun if we add the young talent to a veteran core around Dame and Grant than if we go full youth movement.

Ahhh I don't see it that way at all. I see the last two years repeating itself if we try it again. I thought last season was the season to enjoy with Grant and such, but nope. I hope you are right and understand your belief system, but I just see more of the same. Now if we can pick up a top 5 stop at F or C, then I might by into it. But Portland has not given me any hope in believing that will/can happen.