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There's a limited number of teams that make sense. If you believe the reports, we won't trade him to a western conference team.

Milwaukee - I'm sure he'd like to go there.
Boston - report is that he wants nothing to do with Boston
Philly - meh assets
Cleveland - doesn't make sense. They have guards.
New York - meh assets. have a point guard.
Brooklyn - decent trade partner
Atlanta - doesn't make sense.
Miami - crap assets
Chicago - doesn't make sense. They should blow it up.
Toronto - I like their roster the best, but Ujiri is an asshole.
Indiana - doesn't make sense.
Washington - rebuilding
Orlando - probably too young to capitalize on Dame's prime.
Charlotte - already have a point guard.
Detroit - rebuilding

So of those teams, we probably have:
Milwaukee - no young players. no picks
Philly - Maxey doesn't make sense with Scoot. I think the only pick they could trade would be 2029. Brooklyn has their picks.
Brooklyn - probably the best assets overall
Miami - no assets, no good young players
Toronto - good young players, good picks but douche GM

So of THOSE teams we probably have:
Brooklyn
Toronto
Miami

Toronto - I actually like the Raptors, but I don't think we would get it done because Ujiri would want to try to fleece us. Not even sure if they really want to try to make another go with Siakam and OG.

Brooklyn - they have the most picks to offer. They have some young guys and expiring deals. Nothing super exciting though. Not really sure how they're better off than us, even with Dame.

Miami - the worst deal, unless they can find a taker for Herro.

I think ideally, I'd do

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We clear Dame's salary in a year. We get a young center who can start right away. We get a ton of draft capital. Then I'd be looking to see what I could get for Simons/Nurk.
 
wizenheimer said:
very unlikely

SGA was in his 5th season this year, and his 4th in OKC. He was named to the 1st team all-NBA. He averaged 31-5-6. And he's on a team with a balanced roster and quite a bit of fine young talent. And it was the 4th straight lottery for OKC

I like Sharpe and believe he'll be a good player...maybe great. But the chances he'll be as good as SGA in the 2025-26 season is about 3 zip-codes beyond realistic

rebuilds take time, and they take quite a bit of luck to be successful. And when a team starts it's rebuild by trading away a franchise player, it seems the rebuild takes even longer

it's one thing to be in favor of a rebuild. It's another to try and sell the virtues of a rebuild by claiming it will be fast. It won't be
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Incorrect, the Thunder were in a game 7 four years ago.
 
wizenheimer said:
Miami does not have a 1st round pick to trade till 2028. I don't know how many times that has to be pointed out
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I thought Miami had 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 picks all available.... I believe there was an OKC pick possibly owed at some point on one of those years but Miami got that back in a latter trade by removing early year protections.

If they had a 2025 pick (doesn't have to be their own) then they would be free to trade 2026 2028 2030 picks all unprotected and unprotected swaps in 2027 2029.

Now there are many other teams such as the Nets with better draft equity, but the Heat do have significant value they can still give up.
 
wizenheimer said:
seems like there are several different definitions of rebuilds in this thread. And some pretty liberal definitions of when the rebuild could be counted as a success

Portland went into a rebuild mode in 2003-04. They spent 5 years in the lottery, then three 1st round exits, then the rebuild crashed and two more years in the lottery. 10 years...7 lotteries
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Well sure if you count all the years before Roy and all the years after Roy as one rebuild. I'd consider those two completely different rebuilds. The first one would've worked great if humans didn't have knees.
 
wizenheimer said:
maybe it wouldn't because in a rebuild, losses are the foundational bricks of high lottery picks
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Yeah a rebuilding coach needs to develop talent and minimize the long rerm losing habits as much as possible even if the team losses. Wins don't really matter. Can get a different coach when the franchise is ready to go hard for wins.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Incorrect, the Thunder were in a game 7 four years ago.
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you're right...but that's also the year when they had Chris Paul, Steven Adams, Schroeder, and Gallinari...several experienced veterans. So it has no bearing on this discussion and no bearing on rebuilds, except the part about tearing it down. Once those veterans left, OKC became a lottery team

SharpesTriumph said:
I thought Miami had 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 picks all available..
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Their 2025 and 2026 are encumbered to OKC. Lottery protected in 2025 and unprotected in 2026. So they can't trade their 2024 or 2027 first's because of Stepian rule. 2028 is the first free first they have to trade. They could swap 2024 and/or 2027, but of course, Portland can't because of Chicago's hold on Portland's first's. Besides, I think swaps are significantly overrated assets; window dressing. For example, New Orleans had the right to swap first's with the Lakers this year, and it had no value at all. That swap is gone now

SharpesTriumph said:
Well sure if you count all the years before Roy and all the years after Roy as one rebuild. I'd consider those two completely different rebuilds. The first one would've worked great if humans didn't have knees.
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yes...that's pretty much what I'm saying...rebuilds offer no guarantees and often go off the rails and never get back on track. Doesn't take much and bad knees are part of the game. The Roy/Oden period of the rebuild was a failure. That Blazer 10 year rebuild wasn't really a success until the Blazers drafted Dame and added Lopez the next season
 
I posted this in another thread but it may be more appropriate here;

Aside from the Dame sentimentality, there has been a lot of discussion of Portland doing a rebuild sans Dame, and how long they would suck before contending. Many say 5-10 years. In back to back drafts Portland has picked up Sharpe, Scoot, Murray and Rupert. Most have a good feel that Sharpe and Scoot will be very good players for many years. Murray/Rupert, no idea. In;

2006-2007 Seattle was 31-51. Drafted Durant at 2
2007-2008 Seattle was 20-62 with rookie Durant
2008-2009 OKC was 23-59 with 2nd year player Durant, and adding Westbrook with the 4th pick and Ibaka with the 24th.
2009-2010 OKC was 50-32 with third year player Durant, second year players Westbrook and Ibaka and adding rookie Harden with pick 3.

That was a three draft rebuild. They key is to identify the right players. Hitting on them and getting lucky with a 24th pick too. Does Portland have their Westbrook and Harden in the form of Scoot/Sharpe. Might Portland get lucky with a Murray/Rupert? SEA/OKC changed their fortunes in three drafts. Portland is two drafts in without ever really declaring a rebuild. Yes, they do not have a Durant, but who is to say Scoot or Sharpe will not reach that level. If Portland goes full rebuild they would have another high lottery pick next year as well to add a key piece. If they do not commit to a full rebuild Portland has their Durant, he just happens to be a PG. Point being, if Schmitz is doing his job, Portland can find parallels to what SEA/OKC did. Is it pie in the sky stuff? Maybe. But it is a road map. Just draft good players.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://clutchpoints.com/blazers-trade-after-make-scoot-henderson-kris-murray-2023-nba-draft

1 Blazers trade to make after taking Scoot Henderson, Kris Murray in 2023 NBA Draft

Blazers receive: Paul George, Bones Hyland, Duncan Robinson, Nikola Jovic, 2027 first-round pick (via Heat)

Clippers receive: Tyler Herro, Anfernee Simons, Haywood Highsmith

Heat receive: Damian Lillard, Marcus Morris Sr.
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c'mon BGD....you don't always have to muck out the stalls of twitter and dump the wheelbarrows of horseshit here
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://clutchpoints.com/blazers-trade-after-make-scoot-henderson-kris-murray-2023-nba-draft

1 Blazers trade to make after taking Scoot Henderson, Kris Murray in 2023 NBA Draft

Blazers receive: Paul George, Bones Hyland, Duncan Robinson, Nikola Jovic, 2027 first-round pick (via Heat)

Clippers receive: Tyler Herro, Anfernee Simons, Haywood Highsmith

Heat receive: Damian Lillard, Marcus Morris Sr.
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Congratulations, you found a piece of shit! What are you going to name it… !?
 
Some guy from Bleacher Report dreamed this up, have no idea if already posted.

  1. Brooklyn Nets Receive: Damian Lillard and two 2024 second-round picks from the San Antonio Spurs

    Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Doug McDermott, Cam Thomas, Day'Ron Sharpe, a 2025 first-round pick from Brooklyn (via Phoenix), a 2027 first-round pick from Brooklyn (via Philadelphia), a 2028 first-round pick from Brooklyn and a 2029 first-round pick from Brooklyn (via Dallas)

    San Antonio Spurs Receive: Ben Simmons and Kevin Knox

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-blockbuster-if-damian-lillard-requests-trade
 
Dame/Ant/Nurk to Brooklyn for Simmons/Claxton/Salary/5 FRPs (All the good ones).

Dame, Ant and Mikal can all play on the same team!
 
Utah got 6 first round picks for Gobert, c’mon Cronin get us 8 first round picks
 
DDolla said:
Utah got 6 first round picks for Gobert, c’mon Cronin get us 8 first round picks
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That shit it not going to happen again. Minnesota is just stupid, and unfortunately they don't have any picks left for a long time.
 
illmatic99 said:
The sense of formality is concerning to me.

Figure Dame/ Joe / Chauncey have always had the kinda relationship where they could just shoot the shit. Agent being present makes me think a possible trade request is coming.
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This sounds like Jones hinting towards that as well...
 
If it does end up being Miami, I want them to send Herro and his contract elsewhere for either picks or youngins. 0 need to add another no defense guard to this roster, especially one with his contract.
 
illmatic99 said:
If it does end up being Miami, I want them to send Herro and his contract elsewhere for either picks or youngins. 0 need to add another no defense guard to this roster, especially one with his contract.
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I'm trying to trade Dame/Ant/Nurk to Brooklyn, get Claxton and as many of their PHX/DAL/PHI picks as possible.

Claxton is the perfect long term big to put next to Scoot/Shaedon. Plus we move off ALL our long term salary and add high upside picks when Scoot/Shae are hitting their prime. It's the ideal trade.

Brooklyn contends with
Dame/Anyone
Ant/Anyone
Mikal/O'Neale
Cam/DFS
Nurk/Anyone
 
If it’s going to happen that Dame wants a trade, I think this would make some sense:

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A couple of future firsts from Toronto, maybe a couple of pick swaps. Waive Porter and Flynn.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's what I was wondering, but there are posters here who will run with the bulls...hit
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Speaking of running with the BS., I just want to point out something that all of the pundits either have wrong or just refuse to acknowledge. During the interview that brought Miami and Brooklyn to the forefront as his desired trade destinations, he wasn't asked for "his most appealing potential trade destinations". He was asked which he'd prefer to go the to most out of Boston, Miami or Brooklyn. Not, "which teams in the league would you want to go to if traded"? Only between these 3 teams. Out of the 3 he chose Miami or Brooklyn because of friends that play there. While I can see Miami being appealing (Brooklyn not so much) he may have other destinations in mind.
 
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