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TBpup said:
That's the thing that rubs a bit wrong. He talked about the grind, talked about rather being here than going to a be part of a super team. Not sure there would be a bigger 'Big 3' than Bam/Butler/Dame. They would be a favorite to win the title going into the season. That is not much of a grind. I don't blame him for wanting a chance to win, but this goes against a lot of what he has said/tweeted.
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That's what is so sad. Lost a lot of respect.
 
Just like when LaMarcus left. Bunch of fourth grade girls throwing a hissyfit because they heard someone their crush smiked at another girls, lol.
 
Once reconcile is complete, Joe needs to add some serious depth at center. At that point i will apologize.
 
I've been thinking about "what went wrong", and I'm wondering if the problem has been Defense, or more specifically, Nurk.

Nurk Fever hit, when his presence immediately made our defense MUCH better. We've always had pretty boys who could put the ball in the basket, but have been severely lacking in the defense and rebounding department, making Nurk a revelation. Even with Dame/CJ (and later Ant), our defense at least "good enough" and we advanced in the playoffs a couple of times.

You guys probably know better than me, but Nurk has had some injuries, and the team's defense has suffered - like last in the league suffering. We've tried numerous times to get "good defensive players", but it hasn't helped.

Is it Nurk injuries? I honestly thought that our defense would improve with the departure of CJ - it didn't. Are Ant and Dame just that bad? Last ditch attempts at improving our defense by having Jeremy act as a "point-of-attack" defender fell flat (it's weird to be hoping that the 2nd round Rupert will take that role from him, or maybe Thybulle, Nas get healthy?).

Anyway, ultimately, I think our Bad Defense is the source of Lillard's wanting out. What are your thoughts?
 
Wizard Mentor said:
I've been thinking about "what went wrong", and I'm wondering if the problem has been Defense, or more specifically, Nurk.

Nurk Fever hit, when his presence immediately made our defense MUCH better. We've always had pretty boys who could put the ball in the basket, but have been severely lacking in the defense and rebounding department, making Nurk a revelation. Even with Dame/CJ (and later Ant), our defense at least "good enough" and we advanced in the playoffs a couple of times.

You guys probably know better than me, but Nurk has had some injuries, and the team's defense has suffered - like last in the league suffering. We've tried numerous times to get "good defensive players", but it hasn't helped.

Is it Nurk injuries? I honestly thought that our defense would improve with the departure of CJ - it didn't. Are Ant and Dame just that bad? Last ditch attempts at improving our defense by having Jeremy act as a "point-of-attack" defender fell flat (it's weird to be hoping that the 2nd round Rupert will take that role from him, or maybe Thybulle, Nas get healthy?).

Anyway, ultimately, I think our Bad Defense is the source of Lillard's wanting out. What are your thoughts?
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The lack of size at SF is key, IMO. But let's face it. Nurk hasn't been the same since that compound fracture happened. It took all his aggressiveness away. I still thing that Blazers team with a healthy Nurk has a chance to win it all. That team was rollin' when that injury occurred. Before that injury, Nurk was a force. He had stellar games against Jokic. He was the Beast. Now he plays it safe. That injury didn't happen to me on that night. I just wish things had been different. I've got to believe Nurk sure as hell does.
 
sheed30 said:
I think this is more Joe saying to Miami, we don’t like your package and go find a 3rd team.

I still think Dame goes to the Heat if that’s where he wants to go. But it’s on Miami now to find a 3rd team and assets we will like.

That’s how I read that quote.
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But that's not the reality, Portland has been tasked with finding a 3rd team... and for good reason. JoeCro needs to find a player he wants that a 3rd team will give up for Tyler Herro.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
But that's not the reality, Portland has been tasked with finding a 3rd team... and for good reason. JoeCro needs to find a player he wants that a 3rd team will give up for Tyler Herro.
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Partly in agreement — It’s Portland’s job to list young players on 3rd and 4th teams BUT it’s Miami’s job to make it happen. And picks.
 
tykendo said:
The lack of size at SF is key, IMO. But let's face it. Nurk hasn't been the same since that compound fracture happened. It took all his aggressiveness away. I still thing that Blazers team with a healthy Nurk has a chance to win it all. That team was rollin' when that injury occurred. Before that injury, Nurk was a force. He had stellar games against Jokic. He was the Beast. Now he plays it safe. That injury didn't happen to me on that night. I just wish things had been different. I've got to believe Nurk sure as hell does.
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Lack of SF/PF size is a key component.
Most people want to point at the C for the weak defense. Most poor defenses are caused by having weak point of attach defense. Ironically Dame had a direct effect on this...
 
this new front office has employed PR bullies, which green lights Blazer fans to be mean. It's OK to troll Lillard? Sure!! People get more likes on their Blazer comments by being antagonizing twits, then the fans saying something nice about the man who carried a mediocre basketball team to the playoffs for almost a decade.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Lack of SF/PF size is a key component.
Most people want to point at the C for the weak defense. Most poor defenses are caused by having weak point of attach defense. Ironically Dame had a direct effect on this...
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There are few great defensive players in the NBA. There are some good teams that play good team defense. Most don't. It's an offensive game. I don't miss those grabbing, slapping 89-80 games. Jordan got better at defense because the refs allowed him to maul people. He could slap, grab, hold and the refs would look the other way. Jordan himself was grabbed, slapped, and mauled by the Pistons. Then David Stern over corrected and let Jordan get away with the world.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
But that's not the reality, Portland has been tasked with finding a 3rd team... and for good reason. JoeCro needs to find a player he wants that a 3rd team will give up for Tyler Herro.
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It's not up to Portland to make Miami's offer more appealing. There's a whole league out there for them to trade Dame to. If Miami wants him, they need to convince the Blazers it's worth trading him.

If Portland doesn't trade Dame to Miami... so what? He sits out? He retires? That's just ridiculous.
 
Ed O said:
It's not up to Portland to make Miami's offer more appealing. There's a whole league out there for them to trade Dame to. If Miami wants him, they need to convince the Blazers it's worth trading him.

If Portland doesn't trade Dame to Miami... so what? He sits out? He retires? That's just ridiculous.
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Agreed. I don't think it's going to be Miami at this rate. Good for Cronin if so
 
RonBrewer said:
Agreed. I don't think it's going to be Miami at this rate. Good for Cronin if so
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Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but I think it still will be the Heat, but I am hopeful we get a good return. I am a bit encouraged by the number of teams (Philly, Utah, Brooklyn, etc.) and at least what Joe has said.

Of course, what Joe has said and what he's done haven't aligned... I've been happy about that (since it's resulted in us drafting good players, rather than trying to win now) but it worries me now. Haha
 
Ed O said:
Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but I think it still will be the Heat, but I am hopeful we get a good return. I am a bit encouraged by the number of teams (Philly, Utah, Brooklyn, etc.) and at least what Joe has said.

Of course, what Joe has said and what he's done haven't aligned... I've been happy about that (since it's resulted in us drafting good players, rather than trying to win now) but it worries me now. Haha
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Will be the Heat

a few assets from them and from a 3rd team

My guess
Jovic
Martin
Simmons
Clowney
4-5 picks
2 pick swaps

Dame and Nurk out
 
Mediocre Man said:
Will be the Heat

a few assets from them and from a 3rd team

My guess
Jovic
Martin
Simmons
Clowney
4-5 picks
2 pick swaps

Dame and Nurk out
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I would love that deal. But how do we get the 4-5 picks? Is that part really realistic?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Will be the Heat

a few assets from them and from a 3rd team

My guess
Jovic
Martin
Simmons
Clowney
4-5 picks
2 pick swaps

Dame and Nurk out
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That's almost exactly what I have had running through my mind. I can't say that I would be overly excited by that return, but I wouldn't be badly disturbed either.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I would love that deal. But how do we get the 4-5 picks? Is that part really realistic?
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In theory....

2-3 picks from Miami (if they can get OKC to move off 2025).

2-3 picks from Brooklyn (Probably a pick for Herro and a pick for taking on Simmons from the Nets.)

So that's between 4-6 picks.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think you slide Simmons into the starting lineup next to Grant. You could also start Martin.

Scoot
Sharpe
Martin
Grant
Simmons
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Not obvious Simmons will play, and I don't know enough about Martin - I'll check him out.

However, the player I want is Claxton, but I understand that's not likely.
 
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