Dame: Wont be the same reaction as last year.

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Natebishop3 said:
Okay, so the two leaders are Steph and Russ, but I still think Klay is going to get in. The Hawks had like 4-5 All-Stars last year. I would not be surprised in the least if Golden State has 3.
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That's because the east was weaker talent wise (especially in the frontcourt, which made Horford and Millsap easy picks). Teague was killin it last year so he was an easy pick. Korver was then like a second alternate just because of his insane numbers at the time (50/50/90-ish). Klay will be the 13th guy, except Griffin may not be back so that's how he'd get in. Or over Cousins, not Lillard.
 
BonesJones said:
That's because the east was weaker talent wise (especially in the frontcourt, which made Horford and Millsap easy picks). Teague was killin it last year so he was an easy pick. Korver was then like a second alternate just because of his insane numbers at the time (50/50/90-ish). Klay will be the 13th guy, except Griffin may not be back so that's how he'd get in. Or over Cousins, not Lillard.
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Listen man, I want Dame to make it. I think he DESERVES to make it. I'm just skeptical that he WILL make it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They're all extremely efficient players, and they play well as a team, but that's not really what the ASG is about.
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So the All Star game is about stats over wins? I can think of many counter examples. Thats because it's the coaches picking the remaining portion of the roster and they value what any professional sports game is about... winning.

The Spurs are dominating the league, just rolling teams. In any other year then this where the Warriors are out to a historically best ever start, they'd benefit from this dynamic with at least 1 more guy making the game.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
So the All Star game is about stats over wins? I can think of many counter examples. Thats because it's the coaches picking the remaining portion of the roster and they value what any professional sports game is about... winning.

The Spurs are dominating the league, just rolling teams. In any other year then this where the Warriors are out to a historically best ever start, they'd benefit from this dynamic with at least 1 more guy making the game.

STOMP
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It's an All-Star game..... for stars above all. How exactly is a role player a "star" by any definition? The entire purpose of the game is to entertain the fans, and seeing someone like Kyle Korver out there isn't entertaining.
 
It's gonna be:

Curry / Paul / Dame
Westbrook / Harden
Kobe / Leonard
Durant / Griffin / Davis
Green / Duncan

Two lifetime achievement award spots...
 
Just how many life time achievement appointments does Duncan get anyway? At this rate they'll still be putting him on the team after he's retired.
 
BBert said:
Just how many life time achievement appointments does Duncan get anyway? At this rate they'll still be putting him on the team after he's retired.
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I don't see Duncan making it. If they give it to someone, it will be LMA and Kawhi.
 
Orion Bailey said:
To Me this is the biggest issue the NBA has. It claims its putting the option into the fans hands, but the majority of the fans don't like it. Come on, if you want to give something to the fans give an EAR!!!!! Listen to what we want. The majority want, and believe its the right thing to have the best players of that year in the game. This isn't a lifetime achievement award (Kobe) IF you want to do something like that, give him a damn trophy at half time, but don't deny a more deserving player from this year because Kobe averaged 30ppg 5 years ago.
How can we change this up from fan voting? Seriously, any suggestions? I have hunted online for potential petitions or something to add a signature to and cant find anything. Ive randomly (mostly when pissed around the all star weekend time of the last couple years) looked for something or anything that can get the ball moving to let Adam ( and David) know that this is a very biased unfair way to decide the players.
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Eh, if the majority of the fans wanted it changed "to the best players of that year" then the NBA wouldn't have to change anything.
The fans would just vote in the best players that year.
But it doesn't happen that way because the majority of fans wish to see players like Kobe.
Wasn't Carter voted in by the fans but he gave his spot up to MJ for his last year?
The majority of fans who believe they know basketball want it changed to the best players of that year. But not the majority of fan voters.
Being that the NBA makes prolly more money off of the majority of fan voters instead of the latter. I'd say the NBA has it right.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't see Duncan making it. If they give it to someone, it will be LMA and Kawhi.
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I think a team as good as the Spurs has to have two all-stars.

I would laugh so hard if Duncan got in over Aldridge.

Sadly, knowing Timmy, he'd sit out the All Star game with an "injury" to make a spot for LMA.
 
mook said:
I think a team as good as the Spurs has to have two all-stars.

I would laugh so hard if Duncan got in over Aldridge.

Sadly, knowing Timmy, he'd sit out the All Star game with an "injury" to make a spot for LMA.
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I just don't understand making something that's supposed to be an individual achievement into something that's (at least partially) about team achievement.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I just don't understand making something that's supposed to be an individual achievement into something that's (at least partially) about team achievement.
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You say it's supposed to be about individual achievement, but I don't see why. I think the term "All Star" is purposefully vague in its application over the years. Fans and coaches get to pick what it means to them, which may or may not include team achievement. Which suits me fine. It's necessarily adaptive to circumstance and league trends.

For example, the current NBA is predicated much more on team ball and passing than, say early 2000's ball which basically was ISO's and post-ups. Draymond Green's achievements in the current climate shine at least as much as, say, Shareef Abdur Rahim getting into the All Star game in 2002 based on his putting up stats on a 35 win Atlanta team*.

(*Interesting side note: Terry Stotts was head coach for most of that season! lol. So when we talk about Stotts being an underrated coach, add "he got SAR into an All Star game!" to the list of remarkable yet completely unremarked achievements.)
 
yuyuza1 said:
Dame is currently averaging 24.6 pts, 6.9 asts, 4.4 rebs.

No player who has ever averaged 24/6/4 over a season has missed the all star team. This year, Lebron, Curry, Harden, and Dame are the only ones who are putting up those numbers.

http://bkref.com/tiny/oKC80
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AND we're within spitting distance of the playoffs, which NOBODY expected after losing 4/5 of our starting unit.

Still, I'm just not sure.... I think the Warriors will get at least two, and maybe three, All-Stars because of their record.

Last year there were 7 guards on the west roster.

4 F/C players.

2 Forwards.

1 center.

The guards were Curry, Bryant, Klay Thompson, Westbrook, Harden, Paul, and Dame.

We already know that Curry and Westbrook are in. I expect Harden and Paul will make the team as well. It's a 12 man team.

Starters

Curry
Westbrook
Kobe
Kawhi
Durant

That leaves 7 spots. I think the sure things are:

Harden
Draymond
Anthony Davis
DeMarcus Cousins
Paul

So that's 10. Two spots left.

Do the Spurs get a second guy? Aldridge? Duncan?

Do the Warriors get a third guy? Klay Thompson?

Do the Clips get a second guy? Blake Griffin? DeAndre Jordan?

Someone is going to get left out, and my gut tells me that Dame is going to get snubbed for someone like Klay. I just hope Aldridge doesn't make it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Someone is going to get left out, and my gut tells me that Dame is going to get snubbed for someone like Klay. I just hope Aldridge doesn't make it.
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I'd be very upset if Aldridge and his 16/9 make the team over Dame. You can't tell me that he gets the same kind of defensive attention that Dame draws on a nightly basis. Western coaches vote for all stars. Given how every single one of them traps Dame hard, and doubles/triples him, it would be very annoying if they don't vote him in.

If you don't think he's an all star, then don't cover him like you do. I wonder when votes are due. The results will be announced Thursday.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I'd be very upset if Aldridge and his 16/9 make the team over Dame. You can't tell me that he gets the same kind of defensive attention that Dame draws on a nightly basis. Western coaches vote for all stars. Given how every single one of them traps Dame hard, and doubles/triples him, it would be very annoying if they don't vote him in.

If you don't think he's an all star, then don't cover him like you do. I wonder when votes are due. The results will be announced Thursday.
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Yeah, but as has been mentioned before, coaches reward winning (which I think is incorrect), but someone like Aldridge or Thompson could get the nod because they're playing for one of the two best teams in the league. Dame was pretty damn good last year (before the All-Star break) and he got the snub by the coaches.
 
I don't think the coaches will snub him this season as he is murdering teams even after game planning for him specifically and not LA
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
I don't think the coaches will snub him this season as he is murdering teams even after game planning for him specifically and not LA
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So who gets left off? Klay?

Would you agree that 5 of the 7 non-starters are most likely

Harden
Draymond
Anthony Davis
DeMarcus Cousins
Paul
 
Marc Stein says Dame doesn't make it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4264/steins-ballot-for-all-star-reserve-selections

Here are the stipulations for the coaches (per Stein)

Those conditions are as follows:

1. Coaches must vote for two guards, three frontcourt players and two wild cards.

2. Players must be ranked on the coach's ballot in specific order of preference in all three categories.

3. Coaches are explicitly told as part of the voting process that the position at which a player "is listed on the All-Star ballot should have no bearing on your vote." Each coach is encouraged, furthermore, to vote for players "at the position he thinks is most advantageous for the All-Star team" and "not necessarily the one he plays most often during the season."

4. Coaches are obviously not allowed to vote for their own players.
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He says:

Guards
Paul
Harden

Forwards
Draymond
Cousins
Aldridge

Wild Cards
Klay
Dirk
 
Dirk making it is like Duncan making it. Lifetime achievement award. We already have Kobe there. No room for Dirk. He won't make it.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Dirk making it is like Duncan making it. Lifetime achievement award. We already have Kobe there. No room for Dirk. He won't make it.
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Am I the only one who thinks the lifetime award thing is the exact opposite of what the players would want? I know I'd feel like a dbag knowing a better player got left off because I'm an old bitch who used to be great.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Dirk making it is like Duncan making it. Lifetime achievement award. We already have Kobe there. No room for Dirk. He won't make it.
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I agree. I don't think Dirk makes it, but I'd be surprised if Davis doesn't make it. He's averaging 23 and 10.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Wins can trump stats, and Klay is averaging 20 ppg on the best team in the league.
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Klay is very impressive overall, but being homer here there is something to be said for Lillards wins after loosing his entire starting squad..
 
yuyuza1 said:
I'd be very upset if Aldridge and his 16/9 make the team over Dame. You can't tell me that he gets the same kind of defensive attention that Dame draws on a nightly basis. Western coaches vote for all stars. Given how every single one of them traps Dame hard, and doubles/triples him, it would be very annoying if they don't vote him in.
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That's the difficult part to quantify. If Dame were on another team, we would write him off as a stat stuffer. Good player on a bad team... But, the defensive attention he draws shows the respect he has from other coaches. That or it's a sign of disrespect, knowing that he struggles with the double teams and that makes Portland significantly easier to beat. So many ways of looking at it...
 
HailBlazers said:
Klay is very impressive overall, but being homer here there is something to be said for Lillards wins after loosing his entire starting squad..
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I agree. I think Dame should make it. I just don't think he will.
 
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