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I kinda think we could have bagged Butler.
The Wolves gave them a pick swap and two potential starters who may suck balls.

We could have offered them: Monk\Jackson + Harkless + Crabbe + 26th pick (+ future protected pick?:dunno:) and they get to keep their own pick.

But fuck the Bulls, fucking clown show like the Kings. Who knows what these idiots want.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Like everyone.

Fuck no, Klay and Draymond aren't on max deals. They both make less than Evan Turner. Kevin Durant is the only one on their roster that makes more than Allen Crabbe and even he took a bit less than the max to sign with them last summer, with the ability to opt out and get the real max this summer.

And then there are the ring chasing vets like Zaza and David West who are playing for peso on the dollar to get a ring.

BNM
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What was Klay and Draymond's max contract when they signed? They were signing post-rookie contracts before the cap went up.

Green signed a 5 year, $85 million contract back in 2015. That sounds strikingly like a max contract for a guy coming off his rookie contract prior to the cap going up.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What was Klay and Draymond's max contract when they signed? They were signing post-rookie contracts before the cap went up.

Green signed a 5 year, $85 million contract back in 2015. That sounds strikingly like a max contract for a guy coming off his rookie contract prior to the cap going up.
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Both signed below their theoretical max. Not way below, but I think Green's max was closer to $90M. That's my recollection of the reporting at the time, anyway.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What was Klay and Draymond's max contract when they signed? They were signing post-rookie contracts before the cap went up.

Green signed a 5 year, $85 million contract back in 2015. That sounds strikingly like a max contract for a guy coming off his rookie contract prior to the cap going up.
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For players with 0-6 years experience who resigned with their current team in 2015 the maximum contract was $94,340,250 over 5 years.

So, Green basically gave the Warriors a 10% home team discount when he resigned with them.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
For players with 0-6 years experience who resigned with their current team in 2015 the maximum contract was $94,340,250 over 5 years.

So, Green basically gave the Warriors a 10% home team discount when he resigned with them.

BNM
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At the time of his signing though, he wasn't the star that he is today. I remember thinking, Draymond who? His stats were solid after the 2014-2015 season, but they were hardly worth 85 million.

11.7 points, 8.2 boards, 3.7 assists, 1.6 steals, and 1.3 blocks. Very very solid.... but worth 85 million? And then the next season he doubled his assist average and put up 14 ppg, 7.4 assists, 9.5 boards, and 1.5 steals/1.4 blocks.
 
Will I don't see us to attempt any trading is when the FA signing slow to a crawl. Then Olshey will know where other teams are on there cap space.
 
Trackjack said:
Will I don't see us to attempt any trading is when the FA signing slow to a crawl. Then Olshey will know where other teams are on there cap space.
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My hope is that they get somebody desperate with some free cap space. Crabbe would probably the best candidate for a move. Turner but we'd have to get a player equally bad.
 
ripcityboy said:
My hope is that they get somebody desperate with some free cap space. Crabbe would probably the best candidate for a move. Turner but we'd have to get a player equally bad.
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It can be equally bad but shorter time like expiring contract after next season.
 
Blazers Roy said:
I kinda think we could have bagged Butler.
The Wolves gave them a pick swap and two potential starters who may suck balls.

We could have offered them: Monk\Jackson + Harkless + Crabbe + 26th pick (+ future protected pick?:dunno:) and they get to keep their own pick.

But fuck the Bulls, fucking clown show like the Kings. Who knows what these idiots want.
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LaVine is comfortably rated much higher than anyone we could have offered bar the big three (and I'm not even sure they would value him over Nurkic) and Dunn was a no. 5 pick a year ago and despite being disappointing in his first year, he should still have some decent value around the league. They fecked up the no. 7 pick but with players like Dennis Smith and Malik Monk available, it still had significant value.

Whole the price was low, nothing we would have offered would have come close.
 
Also, Jimmy Butler is a big fan of not having the ball. Which is good because our two guards love having the ball and this is sarcasm.
 
Some apparent realities:

1) We couldn't offer enough to get PG. End of story. Doesn't matter if he would stay or leave, Indy wouldn't trade him to us;
2) Olshey went with the backup plan and took a very promising rookie in a position of need;
3) There are likely no established stars available at a price we would be willing to pay;
4) Most reports seem to indicate that Crabbe is overpaid, but he is a key part of the team and they expect a rebound;
5) Weak minds and bad fits are gone as long as we don't have to pay to get them to go (Turner, Biebs, Davis)
 
Sarni said:
LaVine is comfortably rated much higher than anyone we could have offered bar the big three (and I'm not even sure they would value him over Nurkic) and Dunn was a no. 5 pick a year ago and despite being disappointing in his first year, he should still have some decent value around the league. They fecked up the no. 7 pick but with players like Dennis Smith and Malik Monk available, it still had significant value.

Whole the price was low, nothing we would have offered would have come close.
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I'm taking Crabbe over Levine, The Wolves actually played better without him.
Crabbe is giving you better defense than Levine, he's a better team player and one of the top guys in his niche'.

Harkless is better than Dunn right now, he is actually a starter. Dunn couldn't top freakin Rubio for the starting gig.
 
Reep said:
Some apparent realities:

1) We couldn't offer enough to get PG. End of story. Doesn't matter if he would stay or leave, Indy wouldn't trade him to us;
2) Olshey went with the backup plan and took a very promising rookie in a position of need;
3) There are likely no established stars available at a price we would be willing to pay;
4) Most reports seem to indicate that Crabbe is overpaid, but he is a key part of the team and they expect a rebound;
5) Weak minds and bad fits are gone as long as we don't have to pay to get them to go (Turner, Biebs, Davis)
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Apparently not even the celtics could get it done so I'm going to laugh at Pritchard when nobody is willing to pay his price and PG walks at the end of next season.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Apparently not even the celtics could get it done
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Are you implying that the Celtics offered their best assets and Pritchard turned even that down?

There's no way for us to evaluate whether Pritchard is being dumb or not unless we know the offers. The Celtics might have offered three second-round picks over the next few years for all we know. Just because the Celtics' offer wasn't accepted doesn't mean much--the #3 pick, the Nets' pick next year, Jaylen Brown were probably not involved, since George is widely seen as a one-year rental. Teams are probably trying to lowball Pritchard. He's right that he doesn't have to make a move immediately.
 
Minstrel said:
Are you implying that the Celtics offered their best assets and Pritchard turned even that down?

There's no way for us to evaluate whether Pritchard is being dumb or not unless we know the offers. The Celtics might have offered three second-round picks over the next few years for all we know. Just because the Celtics' offer wasn't accepted doesn't mean much--the #3 pick, the Nets' pick next year, Jaylen Brown were probably not involved, since George is widely seen as a one-year rental. Teams are probably trying to lowball Pritchard. He's right that he doesn't have to make a move immediately.
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Nope, I am decreeing that Pritchard is being dumb.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What do you think is fair value for most likely a one year rental? Frankly he should be happy to get anything.
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One year of a star/near-superstar is worth a fair amount. The offers could even be negative at the moment--for example, if teams are offering players like Crabbe/Turner plus some mediocre assets (like a late first-rounder or second rounders) then it's actually better to let him go in free agency and free up the salary. Most teams will have to match salary and the players they're offering may not be ones Pritchard wants cluttering his cap. There are a lot of cases where it's rational to decline a deal, even if you don't expect to re-sign the player in a year.

If Olshey were currently in the same situation (star player who said he was going to leave next year), would you be agreeing that Olshey is an idiot if he doesn't trade that player within one week? My guess is you'd be saying, "Get a grip, guys. Just because he doesn't trade a guy within the first week, he's dumb? He has an entire off-season and even the trade deadline. If the deals are crap, he should wait."
 
Minstrel said:
One year of a star/near-superstar is worth a fair amount. The offers could even be negative at the moment--for example, if teams are offering players like Crabbe/Turner plus some mediocre assets (like a late first-rounder or second rounders) then it's actually better to let him go in free agency and free up the salary. Most teams will have to match salary and the players they're offering may not be ones Pritchard wants cluttering his cap. There are a lot of cases where it's rational to decline a deal, even if you don't expect to re-sign the player in a year.

If Olshey were currently in the same situation (star player who said he was going to leave next year), would you be agreeing that Olshey is an idiot if he doesn't trade that player within one week? My guess is you'd be saying, "Get a grip, guys. Just because he doesn't trade a guy within the first week, he's dumb? He has an entire off-season and even the trade deadline. If the deals are crap, he should wait."
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If LaMarcus had actually come out and said "I'm not re-signing next year, and I plan on going to San Antonio," then yes. I would be telling him to try to get ANY value out of him. And you're right, a net negative wouldn't be worth doing ANY trade, but if the offer was Crabbe/3 firsts then I think that's actually pretty good value (if the alternative is nothing.)
 
Natebishop3 said:
If LaMarcus had actually come out and said "I'm not re-signing next year, and I plan on going to San Antonio," then yes. I would be telling him to try to get ANY value out of him.
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Within the first week of Aldridge saying that, or else he's an idiot?

but if the offer was Crabbe/3 firsts then I think that's actually pretty good value (if the alternative is nothing.)
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But we don't know that that was offered. People have just proposed that on this forum and then seemed to accept as fact that that's what Olshey offered.
 
Thought I saw a rumor somewhere that Boston had a deal in place with Indy, with George willing to extend, but it was contingent on them landing Hayward.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Nope, I am decreeing that Pritchard is being dumb.
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I actually think Pritchard is doing this smart unless he actually had a top 5 pick on the table for PG. Teams will start to get real desperate for some help after they strike out in FA. Imagine if all the Celtics were offering was Crowder and a version of Brooklyns pick next year, something like adding a top 3 protection to it, Pritchard turns that down and waits for them to strike out on Gordon Hayward and that Brooklyn pick becomes completely unprotected or they are offering up Tatum or Brown as well as Crowder and some other asset.
 
Minstrel said:
Within the first week of Aldridge saying that, or else he's an idiot?



But we don't know that that was offered. People have just proposed that on this forum and then seemed to accept as fact that that's what Olshey offered.
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I was a fan of offering that but I really doubt Olshey would have actually offered that if he didn't have a commitment from PG on resigning. The rumblings from the media was that teams weren't willing to pay a lot for PG and even on the Zach Lowe podcast they pretty much seemed to think the best asset that was offered was Kevin Love which might not interest Indy that much if they couldn't move him for other assets immediately.
 
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Like many posting here....I came away from the draft a bit underwhelmed, but knowing that we added one solid big man and a promising reserve for the future.
Adding Collins and Swanigan adds depth and (IMHO) helpful players to our roster. I can envision a day where Collins is the starter at PF for this team. That's a big front line with Nurk and Collins.

But let's keep our heads. This Blazers team after the Nurkic trade, posted a .700 win pct. That's big!! Even if we average the two (.500 season with .700 after trade), we look to be a potentially .600 team! That's damn good for how young they are!! That's a likely 50+ win team.

So, don't panic....we're a good young team and we are getting better. We have time to make the right moves and meanwhile some of our troublesome contracts/players will play out and/or move along. But meanwhile we're building a nice young roster (DL, CJ, Nurk, Collins) of talented players.
 
Minstrel said:
Within the first week of Aldridge saying that, or else he's an idiot?



But we don't know that that was offered. People have just proposed that on this forum and then seemed to accept as fact that that's what Olshey offered.
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