Damian Lillard = Stephon Marbury?

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How is Damian Lillard any better than Stephon Marbury? I mean that in the sense that Stephon was a talented scorer who wasn't really a star who lead his team to success. Not their personality yadda yadda, just look at the product on the court.

When Stephon was 27 he averaged 22 points per game. shot 50/35/83 with 8 assists per game 3 rebounds.

This year Damian is averaging 24.5, shooting 46/32/92 6 assists 5 rebounds.

Marbury's career went into steep decline after age 27.
 
We WISH Dame is shooting 46% but he’s at 39%

Dame is a better leader that’s about it
 
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GrandJury said:
He’s talking basketball wise
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Marbury's main issue is he wasn't going to be 'the man' with KG. It would never be Marbury's team.
Please you should google it too and then once you do. Never mention Lillard & Marbury in the same sentence.
 
honkicracker said:
Marbury's main issue is he wasn't going to be 'the man' with KG. It would never be Marbury's team.
Please you should google it too and then once you do. Never mention Lillard & Marbury in the same sentence.
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Again stats wise
 
GrandJury said:
Again stats wise
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Marbury's own mouth. 'I could score 30 ppg and it would still never be my team.'
You're right those aren't stats...
You hate Lillard I get it so you won't see that as stats.
Go clean off your shrine of CJ. it's covered it too much jizz.
 
Marbury had 3 seasons where he averaged over 20ppg per 36. His highest being 22ppg. Dame has done so his past 4 seasons, with his highest being 27ppg.

Marbury had only one season with a TS% higher than 54%. Lillard has done so every season.

Cmon man. We're not even getting into intangibles or leadership.
 
honkicracker said:
Marbury's own mouth. 'I could score 30 ppg and it would still never be my team.'
You're right those aren't stats...
You hate Lillard I get it so you won't see that as stats.
Go clean off your shrine of CJ. it's covered it too much jizz.
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U have Dame jizz
 
Marbury was a generational talent who couldn't keep his shit together and pissed the gift away. Lillard is a fairly average talent who plays way above that because he's exceptionally grounded and motivated. It's hard to fathom even comparing the two beyond that.
 
I dont see Lillard spending his career regretting about what could have been and eating hot dogs every other night.
 
KingSpeed said:
Doesn't Marbury still play in China and is a huge star?
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Legend in China. Championship and a statue in Beijing. Just had a scuffle with Jimmer Fredette in a game the other day. I believe it is his last season.
 
Sinobas said:
How is Damian Lillard any better than Stephon Marbury? I mean that in the sense that Stephon was a talented scorer who wasn't really a star who lead his team to success. Not their personality yadda yadda, just look at the product on the court.

When Stephon was 27 he averaged 22 points per game. shot 50/35/83 with 8 assists per game 3 rebounds.

This year Damian is averaging 24.5, shooting 46/32/92 6 assists 5 rebounds.

Marbury's career went into steep decline after age 27.
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:smack:
 
handiman said:
Marbury was a generational talent who couldn't keep his shit together and pissed the gift away. Lillard is a fairly average talent who plays way above that because he's exceptionally grounded and motivated. It's hard to fathom even comparing the two beyond that.
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We're calling Stephon Marbury a "generational talent"????

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If you take away the personalities of both guys, then yeah, I see them as pretty close to the same kind of player, Steve Francis is another guy that springs to mind.
 
If the original point of the post was basically that they both are really talented, high scoring point guards who are likely to go through their careers without a title or coming close, then I guess so. But there are a bunch of PGs who could be in that discussion. Then when you take the character/human element into consideration the discussion changes.
 
One thing with these comparisons to Dame is that it really downplays how good of a scorer Lillard is. Lillard is much more Drexler then he is Mauberry or Steve Francis or other guys of that tier.
 
Rhal said:
One thing with these comparisons to Dame is that it really downplays how good of a scorer Lillard is. Lillard is much more Drexler then he is Marberry or Steve Francis or other guys of that tier.
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Hmmm, I just ran a comp because I didn't agree with this assessment, and based on a quick look at the numbers I still don't agree with it. I shaved off the last few years of Drex/Star/Franchise's years to compare early/prime years to Dame. Aside from raw PPG, Dame is much more like Marbury/Francis. Clyde shot a much higher percentage than the other three. He was obviously a better rebounder, but also nearly equal in assists to Dame. Basically, Clyde was a much better player, and it's not really close.


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blue9 said:
Hmmm, I just ran a comp because I didn't agree with this assessment, and based on a quick look at the numbers I still don't agree with it. I shaved off the last few years of Drex/Star/Franchise's years to compare early/prime years to Dame. Aside from raw PPG, Dame is much more like Marbury/Francis. Clyde shot a much higher percentage than the other three. He was obviously a better rebounder, but also nearly equal in assists to Dame. Basically, Clyde was a much better player, and it's not really close.


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Advanced metrics Clyde blows them all out of the water and its not close. I was using Clyde as an example because of how good of a scorer Clyde was and how much these comparisons like Marbury ignore how good of a scorer Dame is. Also Dames been in the league for 5 years, how does he stack up to those three after 5 years?
 
handiman said:
Purely in terms of talent, yes. Marbury was as spectacular an athlete as Iverson.
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And your argument fails here because you just named someone you say was AS spectacular (which I don't agree with)

"Generational" IMO means once every 20 years.

How many Stephon Marbury's were there? How many are there now?

Too many to name.
 
Rhal said:
Advanced metrics Clyde blows them all out of the water and its not close. I was using Clyde as an example because of how good of a scorer Clyde was and how much these comparisons like Marbury ignore how good of a scorer Dame is. Also Dames been in the league for 5 years, how does he stack up to those three after 5 years?
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There's not a huge difference between the numbers I posted and numbers ran for all players through their 5th season - the picture remains essentially unchanged. Francis rebounds more, Marbury assists more, and Dame shoots WAY more 3-pointers. Otherwise, statistically speaking, Dame, Francis, and Marbury are quite similar across the board and Clyde is on another level.
 
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