Damian Lillard, the greatest Blazer of all time

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Mediocre Man said:
Yes. Not close.....like not top 3
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Clyde is the only debatable one on this subject for number one. Bill Walton brought a title here and? not top 3 even? thats wild. Look, I know you have an overall negative look on the team and Dame in general but it's not his fault he doesn't have help
 
He's great. No doubt about it. He's not Bill Walton. He's not Maurice Lucas. He has surpassed Roy IMO, and he's far beyond Sheed. He and Drexler are a toss up for me. Drexler was the far more dominant player who took us further, but Lillard is a far better leader, and he's still improving as a player. If he makes a similar defensive improvement next season as he did this season he'll be a pretty good defensive player.

I can't think of any player I'd rather have leading this team right now than Dame. He's not the greatest Blazer yet, and he'll need some more help to get there.

But everybody on that list needed help to get there.
 
Bill Walton had a 2 year dominant window that was shortened by injury. Maurice Lucas was an outstanding sidekick and enforcer next to Bill, but was not as dominant a player as Dame. I watched the whole Lucas era. Roy was special, and his career cut short, but was not as dominant as Dame either. Clyde was an elite talent who took years to develop into such a dominant player in his own right. Clyde gets the nod right now, but he also had a superior supporting cast around him. Dame's ceiling is the highest IMO, and no one has been as clutch as Dame. Dame is, at worst, the 3rd best player in franchise history.
 
Portland2014 said:
If Lillard is the greatest Blazer ever the franchise better be moving to Seattle.

Dario Saric single handedly kept the 76ers in the game vs our "Big Three" and there's a pretty good chance he ends up being the fourth option next year after Embiid, Simmons and the rookie they'll draft.

Devin Booker did the same and he's only 20 years old.
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What? Can't compare Saric (in one game) to our Portland players in a conversation about who the greatest Blazer will be. You need a Philly forum for Saric appreciation.
 
"Greatest" is one of those words that's been cheapened. I like Damian and think he's a great talent, but sports are ultimately about winning, so if we're talking greatest Blazer then it has to include playoff success, and Damian's resume is looking pretty pedestrian stacked up against other Blazer greats that had both enormous talent and enormous success. With that in mind, I'd go Walton (utterly dominant and a champion, no matter how short-lived), Drexler, Rasheed, then Dame (lots of talent and a great personality, but not enough post-season success).
 
Cippy91 said:
Clyde is the only debatable one on this subject for number one. Bill Walton brought a title here and? not top 3 even? thats wild. Look, I know you have an overall negative look on the team and Dame in general but it's not his fault he doesn't have help
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I love Dame
 
CupWizier said:
So 3rd is close but 4th isn't? Who are your top 3?
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At some point it has to cut off. If not 3 to 4 and 4 to 5 becomes 99 to 100, so ya....top 3.

Clyde
Walton
Porter
Lucas
Aldridge

RIGHT NOW those are all greater Blazers than Lillard
 
Nikolokolus said:
"Greatest" is one of those words that's been cheapened. I like Damian and think he's a great talent, but sports are ultimately about winning, so if we're talking greatest Blazer then it has to include playoff success, and Damian's resume is looking pretty pedestrian stacked up against other Blazer greats that had both enormous talent and enormous success. With that in mind, I'd go Walton (utterly dominant and a champion, no matter how short-lived), Drexler, Rasheed, then Dame (lots of talent and a great personality, but not enough post-season success).
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I disagree FAMS. Winning most definitely plays a part in judging a player, but it's not Dame's fault we haven't moved on. Put him on those dominant teams in the past with Clyde and the gang and he might have won 3 or 4 rings. Adam Morrison has a ring and BRoy doesn't, you know the story. I might go as far as saying he deserves to be ranked higher BECAUSE he has had to do more with less!
 
Surprisingly, this tram has much higher draft picks than the Drexler team. Dame, CJ, Meyers, and Zach are all higher picks than anyone the Blazers drafted back then. Buck was higher but he came in a trade and you could compare his draft ranking to Turner who came via free agency.
 
Mediocre Man said:
At some point it has to cut off. If not 3 to 4 and 4 to 5 becomes 99 to 100, so ya....top 3.

Clyde
Walton
Porter
Lucas
Aldridge

RIGHT NOW those are all greater Blazers than Lillard
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And I would disagree with your list Sometimes it is a very fine line between positions. A perfect example is this year' WC standings. We all have "lists" but your list is no more correct than mine or anyone else. They are simply opinions.
 
CupWizier said:
And I would disagree with your list Sometimes it is a very fine line between positions. A perfect example is this year' WC standings. We all have "lists" but your list is no more correct than mine or anyone else. They are simply opinions.
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I wasn't the one calling out someone elses list.
 
Mediocre Man said:
At some point it has to cut off. If not 3 to 4 and 4 to 5 becomes 99 to 100, so ya....top 3.

Clyde
Walton
Porter
Lucas
Aldridge

RIGHT NOW those are all greater Blazers than Lillard
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Totally disagree Sgt. Scholtz.
 
HCP said:
I disagree FAMS. Winning most definitely plays a part in judging a player, but it's not Dame's fault we haven't moved on. Put him on those dominant teams in the past with Clyde and the gang and he might have won 3 or 4 rings. Adam Morrison has a ring and BRoy doesn't, you know the story. I might go as far as saying he deserves to be ranked higher BECAUSE he has had to do more with less!
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The difference is that Clyde was the difference. I'm sure Damian would have been a more explosive version of Porter as Clyde's sidekick, but the simple fact that he's not quite good enough to be the engine that drives a team to a championship level sort of underscores my point. Yes the talent level on these Damian teams isn't as high as it was with the other squads, but thems the breaks.
 
Worst career FG% in playoffs (Active players w/ 500+ attempts)
1. Lou Williams, 37.6% on 524 attempts
2. Jamal Crawford, 38.2 on 934 attempts
3. Kyle Lowry, 39.4% on 685 attempts
4. Damian Lillard, 40% on 688 attempts
 
Overall, not much Lillard Time in the Playoffs.
 
Look up Kobes numbers in the same situation. Or any star after that actually
 
Portland2014 said:
Worst career FG% in playoffs (Active players w/ 500+ attempts)
1. Lou Williams, 37.6% on 524 attempts
2. Jamal Crawford, 38.2 on 934 attempts
3. Kyle Lowry, 39.4% on 685 attempts
4. Damian Lillard, 40% on 688 attempts
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Yup. Teams scheme for him and Stotts lets them load up on him. Not Dame's fault. You don't know basketball, and it's obvious. You spew stats without context and troll. You don't analyze the actual game. So screw off.
 
If Lillard makes 1st team all NBA, its probably more embarrassing now. They have some sort of ceremony now don't they? God damn that will be awkward.
 
I've lost a lot of faith in Lillard after these series. He let this shit happen.
 
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