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Remember the #s Evans put up his rookie season? Roy-esque if you ask me. Allstar in the making! For arguments sake, do you think this could happen to Dame?
 
No. The Tyreke/Roy comparison is fair, because they both had an ISO style of play. Lillard is much more team-oriented.
 
There were a ton of reasons for Tyrekes fall from grace and a big one had to do with the fact the Kings have no clue how to use him. He came into the league and people weren't sure if he was a PG/SG/SF so the Kings had him as a PG/SG who primarily handled the ball. When he was moved off the ball his second year his number took a huge dip. It doesn't matter what position you really put Tyreke in, what matters is he can't play off the ball that well so he needs to be the primary ball handler.
 
I never liked Evans, even when he was getting raves in summer league, precisely because he was so obviously SO selfish. He has no concept of team play. This surprised me at the time, because his college team had gone on a tear when he was inserted at PG, but I guess that just goes to show how different college and the NBA are.

I think Damian and Damon Stoudamire are the better (and equally worrying) comparison. Also, did you know that Lillard has shot under 38% over the last ten games?

That said, I think Damian's demeanor is a huge factor in his favor. (This is not a novel sentiment.) Both Tyreke and Damon were a bit brat-ish, but Damian's level head is the major point of comparison with Brandon Roy.
 
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Rhal said:
There were a ton of reasons for Tyrekes fall from grace and a big one had to do with the fact the Kings have no clue how to use him. He came into the league and people weren't sure if he was a PG/SG/SF so the Kings had him as a PG/SG who primarily handled the ball. When he was moved off the ball his second year his number took a huge dip. It doesn't matter what position you really put Tyreke in, what matters is he can't play off the ball that well so he needs to be the primary ball handler.
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How should they play him? When he handles the ball, his stats may go up, but does his teammates? I don't think it is a coaching issue, i think it is a tweener issue. And when you are a tweener, you don't have a real position.

He is big enough for a SG or SF but he doesn't seem to want to be either.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
How should they play him? When he handles the ball, his stats may go up, but does his teammates? I don't think it is a coaching issue, i think it is a tweener issue. And when you are a tweener, you don't have a real position.
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Combo guard, 6th man is the obvious answer. He could put up all-star numbers in that role, if he had the mental capacity for it.
 
I like Evans and I think he could really be something special in the right situation. The Kings don't use him right. Hell I don't even think the Kings know what direction they want to go with the team.. Maybe they will find out once they move to Virginia Beach or where ever it is they end up. I think in the right situation Evans is a better all around player than Mathews is.
 
Evans is an ISO guy as a PG. As a SG, his numbers are pretty darn good
 
Not sure which thread to put this in,, but does lillard remind anyone of a prime gilbert arenas ?
 
Damon and Evans both had better rookie stats than Lillard (and Roy). And how was Evans selfish since he averaged 5 assists a game.
 
KingSpeed said:
Damon and Evans both had better rookie stats than Lillard (and Roy). And how was Evans selfish since he averaged 5 assists a game.
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It's a pretty common misconception that assists equal unselfish, when it really isn't the case at all
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's a pretty common misconception that assists equal unselfish, when it really isn't the case at all
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Agreed. Evans looked for his shot first and secound then when there was nothing available he would pass it. Most of his assists came from dump off passes when he was in the air or the defense had collapsed and he had b nowhere to go

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Rhal said:
Agreed. Evans looked for his shot first and secound then when there was nothing available he would pass it. Most of his assists came from dump off passes when he was in the air or the defense had collapsed and he had b nowhere to go

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Yep. Brandon Roy did this all the time as well. I used to go crazy hearing what a great teammate he was because he averaged 5 assists, or whatever. In reality, he went ISO every time and kicked it out ONLY at the last possible second
 
HailBlazers said:
Was 10 years old thank you very much. And what I meant to say was that both those Blazers were Rookies of the Year. :ghoti:



Try this old man, squint your eyes like your trying to read a menu, imagine Brandon Roy, look what you see, and then get back to me.
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Like he said, still in diapers :D
 
HailBlazers said:
Was 10 years old thank you very much. And what I meant to say was that both those Blazers were Rookies of the Year. :ghoti:
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So was Buck Williams and Steve Francis. You should be able to work Francis into your Lillard comparison, but Buck would be difficult. I don't see any similarities in their games.

BNM
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I never liked Evans, even when he was getting raves in summer league, precisely because he was so obviously SO selfish. He has no concept of team play. This surprised me at the time, because his college team had gone on a tear when he was inserted at PG, but I guess that just goes to show how different college and the NBA are.

I think Damian and Damon Stoudamire are the better (and equally worrying) comparison. Also, did you know that Lillard has shot under 38% over the last ten games?

That said, I think Damian's demeanor is a huge factor in his favor. (This is not a novel sentiment.) Both Tyreke and Damon were a bit brat-ish, but Damian's level head is the major point of comparison with Brandon Roy.
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He's averaged ~4.5 apg the last 3 years playing SG. Crazy thing is that he's putting up a PER of 17.8 this year, which is his best season since his rookie year, when they had him play PG.

Not sure how anyone can say that Evans is "obviously so selfish" when he has an assist % consistently at 20% or higher while playing SG.
 
Boob-No-More said:
So was Buck Williams and Steve Francis. You should be able to work Francis into your Lillard comparison, but Buck would be difficult. I don't see any similarities in their games.

BNM
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What else do Francis and Buck have in common?
 
I'm amazed that in a Damian vs Evans thread no one has mentioned their difference in outside shooting. Tyreke struggles mightily from the outside and is always looking to drive (where he's pretty dynamic). His rookie year with no other real threats on the Kings, they'd clear the lane of anyone posting up and let him do his thing off the dribble. Now they've got Cousins down on the block as option 1 and so slashing lanes aren't nearly as open and understandably TE hasn't been as effective... of course injuries haven't helped his cause either.

The beauty of having a guard with a sweet deep stroke off the dribble is that they can mesh/compliment any style of play.

STOMP
 
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