Danny Green, Finals MVP and Garbage?
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
Maybe he should but you know he won't.
Maybe he should but you know he won't.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
My brother just texted me that he agrees. It's kind of hard to argue against it this point if the Spurs win it.
My brother just texted me that he agrees. It's kind of hard to argue against it this point if the Spurs win it.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
If SA wins, based on the 5 games, I absolutely think he should win.
If SA wins, based on the 5 games, I absolutely think he should win.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
If SA wins (and that is still no given) then I would put my money on Parker getting it.
If SA wins (and that is still no given) then I would put my money on Parker getting it.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
True, but it would have to be splendid.
Shooting lights out and playing the best D one could hope for. But having just made a name for himself, he needs to overcome history.
True, but it would have to be splendid.
Shooting lights out and playing the best D one could hope for. But having just made a name for himself, he needs to overcome history.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
I think green should get it, but not a chance he will. Duncan or parker will get it.
I think green should get it, but not a chance he will. Duncan or parker will get it.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
Green feeds off others. Green is a SG Ariza: ideal role player who has got hot at the right moment. This is a bit like deciding who the MVP was of that Detroit 2004 title team: it's a team effort, so it's sort of moot. In the end they gave it to Chauncey because he was an orchestrator. By the same token, Parker should get it. The main mark against him is that he didn't play much at all in the blowout game 3 win. But here's a big point in his favor: in the only close game so far that might end up deciding the whole thing (game 1) he was the absolute MVP AND he hit that amazing game-decider.
Talking of the Pistons: this series is eerily similar to the 2005 finals. People seem to have forgotten that just about every game of that series was a total blowout for the home team. Seriously: it was one blowout after another. This year's finals at least had game 1.
Green feeds off others. Green is a SG Ariza: ideal role player who has got hot at the right moment. This is a bit like deciding who the MVP was of that Detroit 2004 title team: it's a team effort, so it's sort of moot. In the end they gave it to Chauncey because he was an orchestrator. By the same token, Parker should get it. The main mark against him is that he didn't play much at all in the blowout game 3 win. But here's a big point in his favor: in the only close game so far that might end up deciding the whole thing (game 1) he was the absolute MVP AND he hit that amazing game-decider.
Talking of the Pistons: this series is eerily similar to the 2005 finals. People seem to have forgotten that just about every game of that series was a total blowout for the home team. Seriously: it was one blowout after another. This year's finals at least had game 1.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
Green/Neal/Leonard get so many open shots because Chalmers is hopelessly outmatched by Parker. Miami has tried every trick in the book to contain Parker. They'd be better off letting him score 40 and staying home on the shooters. Once those guys get hot, even difficult shots become as easy as open looks. Green is absolutely playing like a MVP, but would he be playing at this level if Parker hadn't drawn the defense's entire focus in game 1? I don't think so. He needed the confidence boost first.
Green/Neal/Leonard get so many open shots because Chalmers is hopelessly outmatched by Parker. Miami has tried every trick in the book to contain Parker. They'd be better off letting him score 40 and staying home on the shooters. Once those guys get hot, even difficult shots become as easy as open looks. Green is absolutely playing like a MVP, but would he be playing at this level if Parker hadn't drawn the defense's entire focus in game 1? I don't think so. He needed the confidence boost first.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
I think most of all of us said that Danny Green is deserving. That doesn't mean he will win though.
I think most of all of us said that Danny Green is deserving. That doesn't mean he will win though.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
So, if Parker is making all the difference, why don't the Heat put Lebron on him, since Lebron is allegedly the best perimeter defender in the league. Chalmers would be much better off chasing Danny Green all around the court.
So, if Parker is making all the difference, why don't the Heat put Lebron on him, since Lebron is allegedly the best perimeter defender in the league. Chalmers would be much better off chasing Danny Green all around the court.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
LeBron himself admitted he doesn't have the energy to be chasing Parker around the court for 40 minutes.
LeBron himself admitted he doesn't have the energy to be chasing Parker around the court for 40 minutes.
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The spurs would love that. Have Parker sprinting around for 32m having Lebron constantly chase him, LBJ will be exhausted come the 4th.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
They've tried that, unsuccessfully. Parker is too quick and constantly moving.
Chalmers really brings nothing to the table. LeBron and Wade are handling the ball the majority of the time, and they have better shooters on the bench. They'd be better off going big with an extra shooter that SA has to match up with. Let Parker get his and force him to defend a Miller/Jones/Allen type at the other end. They sure as hell aren't going to try defending LeBron/Wade with Parker, so SA would be short on options.
They've tried that, unsuccessfully. Parker is too quick and constantly moving.
Chalmers really brings nothing to the table. LeBron and Wade are handling the ball the majority of the time, and they have better shooters on the bench. They'd be better off going big with an extra shooter that SA has to match up with. Let Parker get his and force him to defend a Miller/Jones/Allen type at the other end. They sure as hell aren't going to try defending LeBron/Wade with Parker, so SA would be short on options.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
Learn the game, then post.
Green has been shooting lights out, but Parker is absolutely, without a doubt, the most valuable player on the team, and not far from Lebron as being the most valuable player in the series.
Green has been playing well as a by-product of Parker abusing the Heat defense. He has been tearing them apart from so many angles. They've tried putting everybody on him from Cole, to Chalmer, to James. Nobody can even slow him down.
If you think anybody is more responsible for the Spurs' success in the playoffs, and the finals, you haven't been watching the game and have only been looking at the box score.
Learn the game, then post.
Green has been shooting lights out, but Parker is absolutely, without a doubt, the most valuable player on the team, and not far from Lebron as being the most valuable player in the series.
Green has been playing well as a by-product of Parker abusing the Heat defense. He has been tearing them apart from so many angles. They've tried putting everybody on him from Cole, to Chalmer, to James. Nobody can even slow him down.
If you think anybody is more responsible for the Spurs' success in the playoffs, and the finals, you haven't been watching the game and have only been looking at the box score.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
They HAVE put Lebron on Parker for stretches of the game. Parker has absolutely lit him up. Parker is much too quick for Lebron to be chasing him all over, and they had to switch Lebron off of Parker.
They HAVE put Lebron on Parker for stretches of the game. Parker has absolutely lit him up. Parker is much too quick for Lebron to be chasing him all over, and they had to switch Lebron off of Parker.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
When they've tried this, Parker just guards Miller/Jones/Allen, and hasn't been hurt by it much at all.
When they've tried this, Parker just guards Miller/Jones/Allen, and hasn't been hurt by it much at all.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
It is examples like this that make me less concerned about the Blazers going small for 15-20 minutes a game. I notice this all time that bigger players do not / can not take advantage of mismatches. And the reasons vary.
Sometimes it's just because the bigger SG/SF is just more comfortable staying out on the perimeter shooting 3's, and other times it is because they are not the focal point of the offense and a team like Miami is not going to go away from LeBron, Bosh, or Wade just to try to exploit a mismatch.
It is examples like this that make me less concerned about the Blazers going small for 15-20 minutes a game. I notice this all time that bigger players do not / can not take advantage of mismatches. And the reasons vary.
Sometimes it's just because the bigger SG/SF is just more comfortable staying out on the perimeter shooting 3's, and other times it is because they are not the focal point of the offense and a team like Miami is not going to go away from LeBron, Bosh, or Wade just to try to exploit a mismatch.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
Green has had an amazing shooting performance. No one is doubting that.
However most of his shots are either open looks (no chance the defender can get to the ball before release), or wide open looks (defender not close), with his shoulders square and his feet set.
Let's not get carried away thinking Green is doing what Ray Allen and Reggie Miller have done in playoff series before by being the focal point of the opposing defense and taking and making many difficult shots.
Green is working hard to put himself in those good shooting spots as often as possible and he is taking and making them. He truly has been very important in the Spurs leading in this series.
However, without Duncan down low, and Tony Parker completely OWNING the Heat and getting to any spot on the floor he wants to, there is no way Green gets these wide open looks.
It starts with Tony Parker in this series. He is the MVP.
Green has had an amazing shooting performance. No one is doubting that.
However most of his shots are either open looks (no chance the defender can get to the ball before release), or wide open looks (defender not close), with his shoulders square and his feet set.
Let's not get carried away thinking Green is doing what Ray Allen and Reggie Miller have done in playoff series before by being the focal point of the opposing defense and taking and making many difficult shots.
Green is working hard to put himself in those good shooting spots as often as possible and he is taking and making them. He truly has been very important in the Spurs leading in this series.
However, without Duncan down low, and Tony Parker completely OWNING the Heat and getting to any spot on the floor he wants to, there is no way Green gets these wide open looks.
It starts with Tony Parker in this series. He is the MVP.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
Perhaps, but if you hit Parker with a big lineup the whole game, he'll have a much harder time hiding.
Perhaps, but if you hit Parker with a big lineup the whole game, he'll have a much harder time hiding.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
Not true as they would still likely win game 1. But if you feel that way then it goes both ways. Danny Green would not score in double figures if he did not have Tony Parker and Duncan setting him up for open 3's.
Not true as they would still likely win game 1. But if you feel that way then it goes both ways. Danny Green would not score in double figures if he did not have Tony Parker and Duncan setting him up for open 3's.
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Re: Danny Green, Finals MVP?
Green shot 43% from behind the arc for the year. This isn't an aberration.
Green shot 43% from behind the arc for the year. This isn't an aberration.
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Right. It's the same reason that we couldn't exploit Steve Nash when they put him on Batum in the playoff series. Just because there is a height mismatch, it doesn't always lead to a big advantage.
Right. It's the same reason that we couldn't exploit Steve Nash when they put him on Batum in the playoff series. Just because there is a height mismatch, it doesn't always lead to a big advantage.
