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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody wants Darius Miles with his contract. His contract is too big and no team wants his off the court issues. Q-Rich is better than Miles it's just that the Knicks don't know how to play their players and make them look worse than good. Miles is coming off a career season, however, that's his frist year he has actually done anything and Richardson has put up solid numbers besides here in New York. If he would get solid minutes, he could produce more. The Knicks don't run a good offensive system where it's just let Stephon Marbury avg. 20pts and that's about it.</div>

Miles' contract is just as bad as Q's.

Miles played very well last season before he got injured, he averaged around 18 points a game on something like 45-50% shooting if I'm not mistaken. Quentin is a volume shooter to say the least, He's hardly had any seasons where he has averaged over 40% from the field, even in his arguably best season with Phoenix as a gung-ho chucker. Besides, if Miles is capable of shooting that high percentage than it means that he's not going to take as many dumb shots, which makes it easier for the other scorers on the team.

I still haven't found any solid evidence from your posts proving that Q is a better fit for New York, because he clearly isn't.

I'm a fan of both Q and Miles, by the way. I hope both of 'em can do well next season.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody wants Darius Miles with his contract. His contract is too big and no team wants his off the court issues. Q-Rich is better than Miles it's just that the Knicks don't know how to play their players and make them look worse than good. Miles is coming off a career season, however, that's his frist year he has actually done anything and Richardson has put up solid numbers besides here in New York. If he would get solid minutes, he could produce more. The Knicks don't run a good offensive system where it's just let Stephon Marbury avg. 20pts and that's about it.</div>You're running out of excuses here pal. And to address something earlier that you said, Q doesn't have that good of a jumper. He's inconsistent as hell and shoots a poor percentage. You blame the offense because of that, why don't you look at the rest of his numbers shooting. Now, look at his offensive numbers and you'll notice something about them. All his shooting percentages are awful. 44%, 43%, 37%, 39%, 39%, 36%. Now, please explain to me as to how it was just the Knicks offense that made him shoot horribly. He has digressed pretty much ever season he's been in the league, and that's because he's got a terrible shot selection. Even in Phoenix's wide open offense he shot terribly, and he was the one that was getting the most open looks. You can criticize Miles all you want for his shooting, but at least he occasionally finds a shot he doesn't like. Q doesn't. He jacks up pretty much anything and everything. Beyond that, he shoots way too many threes, and he's not even that good at them. The only reason he hit so many two seasons ago were for two reasons: 1) the offense they ran allowed him to, and 2) he shot a ton (631 to be exact). So please, after looking at this, can you please explain to me how he's a good player and a good shooter and all that other crap that you've been unsuccessfully attempting to explain.
 
The guy is a good shooter. Manu Ginobili only shot 38% from 3-point range. Vlad Ramonovic shot only 39%. These two are really good 3-point shooters. Darius Miles didn't shoot as many 3s so had a better %. Darius Miles isn't necessary a better shooter than Q-Rich. Even Peja only shot 40%.
Q-Rich avgs: 8.2ppg/4.2rbs/1.6apg/.71stls/.11blks/35.5FG/67FT/34%3PT%/26.2MPG
Darius Miles avgs:
14ppg/4.6rbs/1.8apg/1.05stls/.98blks/46.1FG/53.4FT/20%3PT%/32.2MPG

As you can see by these avgs. per game, Q-Rich got 6 whole minutes less than Darius Miles. He still got the same averages in rebounds, assists, better free throw, and better 3PT%. Darius Miles is a good defensive player and got better avgs. in blocks and steals with better FG% and points.

Q-Rich career stats per game:
12ppg/27.7MPG/40.1FG%/35.2%3PT%/71.2FT%/4.8rbs/1.5apg/.86stls/.2blks
Darius Miles career stats per game:
10.6ppg/27.7MPG/46.1FG%/16.8%3PT%/58.6FT%/5.2rbs/2apg/.91stls/1.1blks/

Career avgs. show that Darius Miles is a better defender while Q-Rich is the better scorer. I guess that the Knicks would rather have Miles because the Knicks need better perimeter defenders and not enough scorers since Isiah Thomas decides to give everybody who can score 2ppg max contracts. I'm basically saying that I rather have Q-Rich since he's a better scorer and a bigger threat on offense.
 
The only way you can judge the season Miles had last year is his stats pre-injury. They went down after that cause he wasn't completely ready to come back. And you can't judge how good a shooter is based on their three point shooting ability. If that was the case, than there are a lot of bad shooters in this league. Why is it that you completely ignore their FG% as a whole. Qs is terrible for his ENTIRE FREAKING CAREER. He's not once had a good season shooting the ball outside of his rookie year. He has digressed every year but one in that category. EVERY YEAR. How can you not take notice to that. The guy is nothing more than a chucker who scores by volume, not by accuracy. A good three point shooter doesn't need to shoot over 600 to reach the 200 mark. They should be able to do it in about 100 less attempts. Q can't. And why would that be? Because HE CAN NOT SHOOT THE BALL VERY WELL. And also, how can you say that Q is the better scorer based on career stats? Miles never had the opportunity to play in a system that allowed him to score the ball prior to last year. Beyond that, he was fresh out of high school. He was very, very raw when he came out, and every knew that. He didn't get a whole lot of opportunities to score, Q got more. And the other thing that hurts that argument is that, while he got more points per game than Miles, look at the FG%. Miles is 6% higher. He gets very similar points to Q on a lot less shots. Another sign of a better scorer. And while you continue to say that Q is a better scorer, you still have yet to prove anything legit to back that up.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post"> And the other thing that hurts that argument is that, while he got more points per game than Miles, look at the FG%. Miles is 6% higher. He gets very similar points to Q on a lot less shots. Another sign of a better scorer. And while you continue to say that Q is a better scorer, you still have yet to prove anything legit to back that up.</div>
Well if you compare FG% from last season of both players Q 35.5%, Darius 46.1%. Its a 10.6% difference.

I guess you were comparing career FG% differences.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">
Q-Rich career stats per game:
12ppg/27.7MPG/40.1FG%/35.2%3PT%/71.2FT%/4.8rbs/1.5apg/.86stls/.2blks
Darius Miles career stats per game:
10.6ppg/27.7MPG/46.1FG%/16.8%3PT%/58.6FT%/5.2rbs/2apg/.91stls/1.1blks/</div>
Darius' career FG% is 47.1 %.

So Career wise it is a 7% difference in FG%.
 
I don't even care anymore. The Knicks once again get another horrible player and ruin their franchise. If the Knicks want another scorer instead of a shooter, then that's them. Isiah Thomas definitely won't be winning any awards.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't even care anymore. The Knicks once again get another horrible player and ruin their franchise. If the Knicks want another scorer instead of a shooter, then that's them. Isiah Thomas definitely won't be winning any awards.</div>

Yes, because you've clearly proven to us that Darius Miles is a downgrade from Q.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't even care anymore. The Knicks once again get another horrible player and ruin their franchise. If the Knicks want another scorer instead of a shooter, then that's them. Isiah Thomas definitely won't be winning any awards.</div>The only reason you don't care is cause you can't come up with one excuse that hasn't been shot down. And phunDamentalz, why do you think Q is so good, I'm curious. Why would Isiah be doing something horrible if he traded for an overall better player and better fit in Darius Miles?
 
just some more random thoughts. I like Q, he's a great player during the regular season. Im talking 04' 05' season, but in the po's he was B A D, that was w/ the Suns. Last season with the Knicks it was hard for every player to perform well with all the player changes, etc. And Larry Brown I hear is not the easiest to play for. I believe he also had some injuries ( who the hell doesn't ) Hopefully he's beyond all that & is working his butt off this off-season.

When healthy, he can hit the three big time. He & Korver tied in 05' for most 3's. Can't wait to see what happens this season. I'm stoked for this up coming season!

Also, picking up Miles would be a wise move for the Knicks. He's grown up & he's on the uppity up for sure. The guy can flat out play.
 
I didn't get shut down. I clearly stated that Isiah Thomas would be willing to make a bad move AGAIN and get a bad contract along with a bad player.
 
But the thing is is that it wouldn't be a bad move. Getting rid of Q would only be a good thing. Even if they're getting Darius Miles in return, he's still a superior player to Q, and you were the one saying Q was the superior player and never proved it.
 
You can't really say Miles has a bad contract when Q's is just as long as his.
 
How did I not prove my point?? I posted stats for career avgs. and also the down season that Q-Rich had. Coincidentally it was DMiles' career year.
 
You did post all of those stats and averages, but you still haven't responded to everyone's counter-points regarding your arguements.
 
MAN!!! I can't wait to see where Miles goes!!!! The season is right around the corner, hell, he might just stay put. It does seem to me that he & Nate DO get along. They've been in touch during this off-season.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting LRVBADASSBALLIN:</div><div class="quote_post">MAN!!! I can't wait to see where Miles goes!!!! The season is right around the corner, hell, he might just stay put. It does seem to me that he & Nate DO get along. They've been in touch during this off-season.</div>
That's the way I see it. Isiah isn't looking to trade. If a team comes along with the right offer (well, at least to him) then we'll pull the trigger. Since Isiah is one of the few actually interested in Miles, then he'll probably just stay in Portland. I think if he doesn't have any injuries he'll be pretty productive this year.
 
I did fire back at all the counterpoints you guys said.
 
The only thing that you did was show stats and then disregard the ones that mattered. You always said how good of a three point shooter he was because he was second in the league a couple seasons back. You neglected to realize that the reason he was so high is because of how many he shot, not because he was shooting a very high clip, cause he wasn't doing that. Then you said he's a good shooter, but his career FG% would say otherwise, so would almost every season outside of his rookie seasons FG%. You never really came with anything legit and backed down from a lot of the stats that would say opposite of your argument.
 
I said DMiles had a better FG% and QRich is a better overall pure shooter than Miles.
 
a "good shooter" that doesn't even crack the 40% mark on his career. You can be the best shooter in the world, but it is a pretty useless skill to have if you just chuck shots and have a piss-poor field goal percentage. The fact that its so low is not because he isn't a worse shooter than Miles, but because of his poor shot selection. Miles on the other hand, doesn't have this problem.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">I said DMiles had a better FG% and QRich is a better overall pure shooter than Miles.</div>But that's pretty much wrong. Q is by no means a pure shooter, he's a chucker. Pure shooters don't shoot around the .400 mark for a career. I really don't see how you can even bother to call him that. Pure shooters are the likes of the Ray Allen, who not only shoots well from the arc, but also well from the field, as noted by his .447 career mark shooting .399 career mark from the arc. Q isn't close. He's a volume shooter/scorer. He scores by shooting a lot, just like Allen Iverson. He's never going to be a good shooter and will be lucky to break .420 for a season the way he plays.
 
Yeah I guess Allen Iverson sucks too right.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah I guess Allen Iverson sucks too right.</div>
Allen Iverson scores a little bit more than 8.2 ppg.
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Not to mention 6 more assists per game and 1.3 more spg.
 
Exactly. Q-Rich had a bad year last season it doesn't mean that DMiles is better than him.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly. Q-Rich had a bad year last season it doesn't mean that DMiles is better than him.</div>
I think even when comparing career wise stats of Darius Miles to Q-Rich, based on the fact Miles shoots 7% better FG% career wise, as well I think Q-Rich has back problems and his man to man defense is bad.
 
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