DaRizzle v God (Bynum v Oden)

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I will post the quotes from our bet talks till we lock something down.

GOD said:
DaRizzle, I would love to lay down an Oden v Bynum bet of some kind this year. I know that Bynum is better at the moment, so the bet would be regarding the second half of the season. If you want to come up with some parameters, let me know. Sig? Avatar? up to you, but the idea would be better player over 2nd half of season. But we have to base it on something concrete.
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DaRizzle said:
Its on like Donkey Kong...you think of some stuff...ill do the same
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GOD said:
I'm about to propose something that will hopefully please you.

I propose that the winner gets to steal the others sig if they want, and force any sig they decide on. That way, if I win, your sig will live on. If I lose, your sig will live on.

Duration: through the playoffs and until day one of the following preseason.

What: PER over the second half of the season. Both players must average 20+ mpg and play in 31 of the final 41 games. If either player does not match these criteria the bet is off. If PER is within 1.00 we will call it a tie and roll the bet over till the next season.

Is this good with you?

If you would rather lay $50 on it, that's cool too, but I would prefer something like mentioned above.
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DaRizzle said:
I still want to do the bet but sorry, I dont like what you proposed. Id rather deal with the real stats rather than PER...Maybe something like we take PPG, RPG, BPG, FG%, FT%...whicher player has 3 or more categories won at the end of the regular season wins the bet. Just throwing out ideas
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Boob-No-More said:
So, you could go with the following categories:

Pace Adjusted PPG
TRB% (or Pace Adjusted RPG)
Pace Adjusted BPG
FG%
Total FT Made
Total PTS
Total REB
Total BLKs

This gives you 8 categories. So, the bet could end in a tie. In that case, I'd recommend PER as the tie breaker.

BNM
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GOD said:
I'm down with BNM's suggestion. Do we have a bet?
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DaRizzle said:
I want ElCaps opinion on it...hes my homey
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DaRizzle said:
K...I say both of those stats be included (pace adjusted reb) and still use PER as a tie breaker
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DaRizzle said:
Hey God, we'll just wait until ElCap and BNM iron out our bet for us :cheers:
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OK, that's were it was left. Let's get this thing hammered out. Make a proposal.
 
Points PG
Rebounds PG
Assist PG
Blocks PG
FG%
FT%
PER

Thats what I think...I dont care for all this pace adjusted stuff. We are trying to say who is better. If the case is Oden cant get over Joel for the starting position then that says something about what his coach thinks of his skillset thus should be a factor in our bet. Phil has been known to mess with Bynums head and sit him for extended periods so whatever...

Also, IF Oden is still a foul machine then that should reflect negatively on him. The pace adjusted stuff makes his foul proneness a non-factor. That again should be a factor since having the smarts to stay on the court is yet another measure of a players effectiveness.

So there is my reasoning and there are my basic stat categories, I dont see how anyone who truly believes their player is better can complain about basic stat categories. (and you even get pace adjusted in PER)

Deal? :cheers:

(and if so we can work on what we are betting)
 
DaRizzle said:
Points PG
Rebounds PG
Assist PG
Blocks PG
FG%
FT%
PER

Thats what I think...I dont care for all this pace adjusted stuff.
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of course you don't as Bynum doesn't really have a backup let alone one of the best in the league.
I dont see how anyone who truly believes their player is better can complain about basic stat categories.
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this has been explained to you so don't play dumb

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
of course you don't as Bynum doesn't really have a backup let alone one of the best in the league.

this has been explained to you so don't play dumb

STOMP
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Maybe not but we do have a lineup that will be playing without Bynum

Fisher/Farmar
Kobe
Artest
Odom
Gasol

That lineup will get plenty of burn

I stand by my offer and think I should only be discussing this with GOD, agents need not apply :devilwink: :cheers:
 
...and as a side note, adding "GOD" to my list in my sig might be the best one yet :ghoti:
 
DaRizzle said:
Thats what I think...I dont care for all this pace adjusted stuff. We are trying to say who is better. If the case is Oden cant get over Joel for the starting position then that says something about what his coach thinks of his skillset thus should be a factor in our bet. Phil has been known to mess with Bynums head and sit him for extended periods so whatever...

Also, IF Oden is still a foul machine then that should reflect negatively on him. The pace adjusted stuff makes his foul proneness a non-factor. That again should be a factor since having the smarts to stay on the court is yet another measure of a players effectiveness.

So there is my reasoning and there are my basic stat categories, I dont see how anyone who truly believes their player is better can complain about basic stat categories.
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You're talking about minutes-adjusted numbers, not pace-adjusted. Pace adjustment accounts for the number of possessions a team has. The SSOL Suns had a ton of possessions per game, for example. That led to more shots, more assists, more points, more rebounds. Everything goes up when you play at a faster pace, and it has nothing to do with ability. The same player playing in a fast paced offense will generate more "basic" stats than he will playing in a slow paced offense.

The Blazers, under Nate McMillan, generally play at a very slow pace (this can be verified at Basketball-Reference.com). That will decrease Oden's "basic" numbers, through no fault of his own.
 
DaRizzle said:
Points PG
Rebounds PG
Assist PG
Blocks PG
FG%
FT%
PER

Thats what I think...I dont care for all this pace adjusted stuff. We are trying to say who is better. If the case is Oden cant get over Joel for the starting position then that says something about what his coach thinks of his skillset thus should be a factor in our bet. Phil has been known to mess with Bynums head and sit him for extended periods so whatever...

Also, IF Oden is still a foul machine then that should reflect negatively on him. The pace adjusted stuff makes his foul proneness a non-factor. That again should be a factor since having the smarts to stay on the court is yet another measure of a players effectiveness.

So there is my reasoning and there are my basic stat categories, I dont see how anyone who truly believes their player is better can complain about basic stat categories. (and you even get pace adjusted in PER)

Deal? :cheers:

(and if so we can work on what we are betting)
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Lock it up DaRizzle

I still think that pace adjusted would be better, but at least this does make it easier to follow. Reward - Since I would be killed for changing your sig, let's just make this an avatar bet. Winner gets to assign the others avatar till day one of preseason the following year. Is this good?
 
DaRizzle said:
I stand by my offer and think I should only be discussing this with GOD, agents need not apply :devilwink: :cheers:
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then put it in a PM... problem solved! But if you ask an open question about how you can't believe that everyone isn't buying the nonsense that you're throwing out (as if we all do), you should absolutely expect a response.

STOMP
 
GOD said:
Lock it up DaRizzle
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Deal then..the terms are settled, for clarification this is a regular season bet (no playoffs) :cheers:

GOD said:
Reward - Since I would be killed for changing your sig, let's just make this an avatar bet. Winner gets to assign the others avatar till day one of preseason the following year. Is this good?
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Heeeeeelllll no....if you were actually around in the summer I would say yes

I say it lasts for however long your or my team is in the playoffs. We will both be active and that could last as little as a week and as much as two months.

So if I was to lose Id probably have to use an avatar of your choice for two months

You lose and it would only be like 1 1/2 weeks you lucky dog :devilwink:
 
Rodolfo said:
Hey Stomp, Is that The Deschutes?
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yup... I'm walking the train tracks between Whiskey Dick and Whitehorse. We've some family friends with a couple cabins at the end of the South Junction access. My dad and I have spent an extended weekend fishing there during the Salmon Fly hatch for the last 15 years or so. Heaven on earth.

attached are a few more pix including a rare 18" Dolly I pulled out this past spring

STOMP
 

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GOD said:
Lock it up DaRizzle

I still think that pace adjusted would be better, but at least this does make it easier to follow. Reward - Since I would be killed for changing your sig, let's just make this an avatar bet. Winner gets to assign the others avatar till day one of preseason the following year. Is this good?
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Noooooo! You fool, use the pace adjusted stats! Oh well you locked it in and have already lost. DaRizzle this is between you and GOD and all of us sane folk will use pace adjusted stats to determine who is better. I know I will use pace adjusted in my similar Oden vs. Bynum bet with my friend.
 
DaRizzle said:
Deal then..the terms are settled, for clarification this is a regular season bet (no playoffs) :cheers:



Heeeeeelllll no....if you were actually around in the summer I would say yes

I say it lasts for however long your or my team is in the playoffs. We will both be active and that could last as little as a week and as much as two months.

So if I was to lose Id probably have to use an avatar of your choice for two months

You lose and it would only be like 1 1/2 weeks you lucky dog :devilwink:
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We will both be active throughout the playoffs. I say we do the bet till the rings are won. I gave into your bynum loaded stats, give me this one.
 
GOD said:
We will both be active throughout the playoffs. I say we do the bet till the rings are won. I gave into your bynum loaded stats, give me this one.
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Im confused...Are you saying:
A) you want the stats to continue til the end of each teams season, and payment of bet during summer Or

B) the payment of bet be from the day the reg season ends to the end of the playoffs regardless who is in the finals.

:dunno:
 
STOMP said:
yup... I'm walking the train tracks between Whiskey Dick and Whitehorse.
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That line could be the start of a great novel.

Whiskey Dick is an interesting name, (appears to mean flaccid in some contexts) and I thought I'd find it in my McArthur's Oregon Geographic Names (a fantastic reference book, for those who aren't familiar) but no such luck. Any idea of the origin of the name?

barfo
 
barfo said:
That line could be the start of a great novel.

Whiskey Dick is an interesting name, (appears to mean flaccid in some contexts) and I thought I'd find it in my McArthur's Oregon Geographic Names (a fantastic reference book, for those who aren't familiar) but no such luck. Any idea of the origin of the name?
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nope none... I'd guess it comes from some guy named Dick who had a cabin nearby and enjoyed his whiskey. If you're really interested I'd call up the Oasis restaurant in Maupin (541) 395-2611 as the owners have been guiding the river (and serving up a delicious burger and fries) for decades.

STOMP
 
DaRizzle said:
Im confused...Are you saying:
A) you want the stats to continue til the end of each teams season, and payment of bet during summer Or

B) the payment of bet be from the day the reg season ends to the end of the playoffs regardless who is in the finals.

:dunno:
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The bet ends at the conclusion of the regular season. The Avatars are then changed and stay throughout the playoffs. Cool?

Also, bet is called off if either big man plays in fewer than 60 games. I don't want to be celebrating an injury to Bynum and my guess is you feel the same way.
 
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GOD said:
The bet ends at the conclusion of the regular season. The Avatars are then changed and stay throughout the playoffs. Cool?

Also, bet is called off if either big man plays in fewer than 60 games. I don't want to be celebrating an injury to Bynum and my guess is you feel the same way.
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Deal...bet and wagering is set.

Good Luck :cheers:
 
STOMP said:
yup... I'm walking the train tracks between Whiskey Dick and Whitehorse. We've some family friends with a couple cabins at the end of the South Junction access. My dad and I have spent an extended weekend fishing there during the Salmon Fly hatch for the last 15 years or so. Heaven on earth.

attached are a few more pix including a rare 18" Dolly I pulled out this past spring

STOMP
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Sweet. Love that river. All kinds of fond memories rafting on that river growing up. :cheers:
 
mobes23 said:
According to this, he was a guy who lived on the river 20 years. I'll check with my Dad, he grew up near by and was one of the first to routinely float the Deschutes (before rafting became a sport for the masses).

http://www.catlin.edu/news/outdoor-program-ms/deschutes-river-october-2005
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loved the pix from your link... I know right where most of those were taken. I especially liked the one of the kids free floating Buckskin Mary as I've done that quite a few times. Fun times.

STOMP
 
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