David Lee

[Mr. J]

David Lee averages a double double bcuzz hes the only knick big men who is actually useful. If he goes on the nets hes numbers will be down cuzz he has to share minutes with lopez boone and sean.

Randolph is better than any Net big man, and Curry was still ahead on the depth chart. Lee had to share minutes with both of them. Neither Lopez, Boone, nor Sean will average 30+ minutes or get as many touches as Randolph/Curry. If Lee goes to the Nets, his numbers might decrease solely because he’s playing a slower paced game.

Your not going to resign him, he's going to walk away, no way a kid like him turns down big money from a contender. As for Lee on offense what you just said about him is Josh Boone when healthy exacept Boone plays D, David doesn't. For all the things I hear and see about David Lee he is an off the bench player when he is defended 1 on 1 he goes cold, he has a raw jumper, improved in the FT department, can rebound and box out and that's just about all he does and the majority of that he does is vs bench players 6-9 lineup players every once in the blue he'll have a 20/10 rebound game but your nuts if that's what you think he is.

Now you are just speculating. How can you say so definitively that Lee is going to sign with a contender? Even if he does, we still own his bird rights.

Let’s see: I mentioned his developing jumper. Lee is developing a jumper, while Boone is entering his third season and has no semblance of a jump shot. Lending credence to this is his abysmal FT%: .456. Boone’s percentage actually worsened while Lee, in a matter of a year, increased his FT% by 24%. Boone is also nowhere near the passer Lee is. Lee usually spots the cutter and ignites transition with the outlet pass. In terms of setting screens and knowing where to be on offense, Lee is way more savvy and is not a liability offensively like Boone. It also must be stressed that Lee is the better rebounder than Lee and has a better “nose for the ball”.

And if you say a majority of what he does is against bench players, then you clearly don’t watch enough of him. Though he doesn’t start, Lee finishes games and still plays 30 MPG. Most bench players don’t play 30 MPG. I never said Lee will ever be a 20/10 player but he has more potential to be than Boone. This season Lee will probably start and can easily average 15+ points and 10+ rebounds, which is pretty solid production. I doubt Boone ever cracks such numbers.

So much of what you provide is, as usual, subjective and therefore not worth discussing. "Hustle and Passion for the game"? How is that defined? Quantified? By smiles, by screams, by protesting refs. Perhaps fist bumps or body slams per game? Boone has a different personality than Lee. That makes him less of a hustler and less passionate about the game? What horseshit reasoning.

Neither have post moves...none. Ball handling? based on what? Speed? prove it. Jumping skills? Vertical jump stats please. Tiresome.

He is an athlete who has yet to develop an outside shot. The reason he hasn't been re-signed is that he hasn't advanced his game.

Not to say Boone doesn’t hustle, but I’ve watched them both and Lee simply hustles more. In terms of fighting for rebounds, lose balls, etc. he just does more.

Lee actually has solid post moves. The Knicks can isolate Lee on the block and have a reasonable chance to get a bucket or get something from the line (80% FT shooter). Whereas Boone cannot score without being assisted or getting a putback.

Ball handling-wise there’s no question Lee is far more superior; he’s actually ambidextrous. Lee can handle the ball in the open floor and has shown solid ball handling in the low post. Boone cannot do that.

As for the statistics on jumping skills, speed, etc. it’s pointless. Though you might not want to believe that Lee is more athletic, the fact still remains he is more productive, has more skills, and is more valued in this league.

So because Lee hasn’t developed a consistent jumper he hasn’t advanced his game? The fact that he increased his FT% by 24 means he advanced his game. The fact he used to average 5/4 and then 11/10, 10/9 respectively means he advanced his game.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Randolph is better than any Net big man

And there went your post.

 

[GMJ]

So much of what you provide is, as usual, subjective and therefore not worth discussing. "Hustle and Passion for the game"? How is that defined? Quantified? By smiles, by screams, by protesting refs. Perhaps fist bumps or body slams per game? Boone has a different personality than Lee. That makes him less of a hustler and less passionate about the game? What horseshit reasoning.

Neither have post moves...none. Ball handling? based on what? Speed? prove it. Jumping skills? Vertical jump stats please. Tiresome.

lol that was awesome. You just got NetInc'owned

 

[kobimel]

Your not going to resign him, he's going to walk away, no way a kid like him turns down big money from a contender. As for Lee on offense what you just said about him is Josh Boone when healthy exacept Boone plays D, David doesn't. For all the things I hear and see about David Lee he is an off the bench player when he is defended 1 on 1 he goes cold, he has a raw jumper, improved in the FT department, can rebound and box out and that's just about all he does and the majority of that he does is vs bench players 6-9 lineup players every once in the blue he'll have a 20/10 rebound game but your nuts if that's what you think he is.

"Contender" and "big money" usually don't go together. Either he signs with a contender for less, or he signs with a crappy team with cap space for more. He can't have his cake and eat it too (though Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph apparently can).

 

[BrooklynBound]

So much of what you provide is, as usual, subjective and therefore not worth discussing. "Hustle and Passion for the game"? How is that defined? Quantified? By smiles, by screams, by protesting refs. Perhaps fist bumps or body slams per game? Boone has a different personality than Lee. That makes him less of a hustler and less passionate about the game? What horseshit reasoning.

Neither have post moves...none. Ball handling? based on what? Speed? prove it. Jumping skills? Vertical jump stats please. Tiresome.

This is your response? Of course intangibles can't be quantified. I've based it on their play. Clearly, you can't get that from a box score, but I never said otherwise.

Thanks for responding -- I forgot to add passing -- Lee has a big edge here

 

[BrooklynBound]

He is an athlete who has yet to develop an outside shot. The reason he hasn't been re-signed is that he hasn't advanced his game.

They are going all-in for the Lebron sweepstakes.

 

[BrooklynBound]

Not to say Boone doesn’t hustle, but I’ve watched them both and Lee simply hustles more. In terms of fighting for rebounds, lose balls, etc. he just does more.

Lee actually has solid post moves. The Knicks can isolate Lee on the block and have a reasonable chance to get a bucket or get something from the line (80% FT shooter). Whereas Boone cannot score without being assisted or getting a putback.

Ball handling-wise there’s no question Lee is far more superior; he’s actually ambidextrous. Lee can handle the ball in the open floor and has shown solid ball handling in the low post. Boone cannot do that.

As for the statistics on jumping skills, speed, etc. it’s pointless. Though you might not want to believe that Lee is more athletic, the fact still remains he is more productive, has more skills, and is more valued in this league.

So because Lee hasn’t developed a consistent jumper he hasn’t advanced his game? The fact that he increased his FT% by 24 means he advanced his game. The fact he used to average 5/4 and then 11/10, 10/9 respectively means he advanced his game.

Pretty much.

 

[Mr. J]

And there went your post.

Please prove me wrong.

 

[xflavioVC15x]

Why are you guys even arguing about this there is no chance at david lee ever coming to the nets, and for comparing him with boone they are both good in their own way. Boone is a better defender and Lee is more of an offensive player.

 

[ak30]

David Lee is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. The guy gets abused defensively every game and has no game beyond 5 ft from the basket. The notion that he has a jumper or any kind of an offensive game is laughable. He gets his points on tip ins and in transition. He is a garbage man, just like Boone is. He is better at being a garbage man than Boone is. But that doesn't make him this untouchable player.

He is a slightly better version of the Junkyard Dog. Nothing more. The only reason he gets so much hype is because he plays for that overrated franchise, the New York Knicks and its been so long since the Knicks fans actually had a chance to watch a decent player that they build up marginal players like Lee into something bigger than what he really is.

 

[Mr. J]

David Lee is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. The guy gets abused defensively every game and has no game beyond 5 ft from the basket. The notion that he has a jumper or any kind of an offensive game is laughable. He gets his points on tip ins and in transition. He is a garbage man, just like Boone is. He is better at being a garbage man than Boone is. But that doesn't make him this untouchable player.

He is a slightly better version of the Junkyard Dog. Nothing more. The only reason he gets so much hype is because he plays for that overrated franchise, the New York Knicks and its been so long since the Knicks fans actually had a chance to watch a decent player that they build up marginal players like Lee into something bigger than what he really is.

You are wrong on so many different levels. Lee’s jumper has definitely improved; you would notice if you have been following the Knicks. Even Allan Houston said “David's jump shot has improved a lot… He has more consistency and confidence in his jumper, so you'll see him pull the trigger a lot quicker this year…” I think one of the greatest shooters of our time is more credible than you in evaluating someone’s jump shot.

No one said he was an untouchable player – I just said he’s better than Boone, which you admit. As for your JYD comparison, it’s somewhat off base. Yes, they are both hustle players, but JYD was the superior defender and could even play on the perimeter a bit. Lee is better in just about every category on the offensive end and he’s the better rebounder. You have drastically underrated Lee’s offensive abilities. For one, he’s a much better passer than Boone, and actually has solid footwork like I mentioned above.

I don’t know what you consider garbage players, but I’m sure many teams covet garbage players that can come off the bench and average a double-double. In fact, I don’t remember the last NBA player to average a double-double off the bench. I think that’s the reason for his “hype” you claim he gets.

 

[Netsfan318]

You are wrong on so many different levels. Lee’s jumper has definitely improved; you would notice if you have been following the Knicks. Even Allan Houston said “David's jump shot has improved a lot… He has more consistency and confidence in his jumper, so you'll see him pull the trigger a lot quicker this year…” I think one of the greatest shooters of our time is more credible than you in evaluating someone’s jump shot.

Allan Houston is now working for the Knicks he couldn't cut it in his return to the NBA ofcourse he's going to speak glowingly about him. Lee isn't taking more than what 2-3 jumpers per game, put it like this if you leave him alone he'll hit a few but to sit there and tell me his jumper has improved don't you watch the majority of his shots ? He starts off screens and flashes down, then he's brought in the game when the second unit big men are on the floor, you put a big that is quick and gets physical Lee gets erased from the gameplan. The fact is Eddy Curry was force fed last yr., Randolph drew the double teams and Lee normally would have a mismatch flashing down.

No one said he was an untouchable player – I just said he’s better than Boone, which you admit. As for your JYD comparison, it’s somewhat off base. Yes, they are both hustle players, but JYD was the superior defender and could even play on the perimeter a bit. Lee is better in just about every category on the offensive end and he’s the better rebounder. You have drastically underrated Lee’s offensive abilities. For one, he’s a much better passer than Boone, and actually has solid footwork like I mentioned above.

No one is underrating Lee, he is good and very talented but he's no top big in the league, he hardly scratches the top 10 in the East.

I don’t know what you consider garbage players, but I’m sure many teams covet garbage players that can come off the bench and average a double-double. In fact, I don’t remember the last NBA player to average a double-double off the bench. I think that’s the reason for his “hype” you claim he gets.

David Lee is a starter ! Everybody has said that, it was your coach who chose to drop him as a 6th man for energy off the bench. The Nets did the same w/ Boone. Lets show you how crazy this is, Tyrus Thomas coming off the bench is dangerous, Glen Davis same thing, He's a damn good player but gets too much hype because his BB IQ is more than the entire roster other than Ewing Jr., the media made him a golden child because he's a whiteboy that can slamdunk and pass the efficient enough, but for all that he plays no D, has no consistant jumper watsoever and if not for his jumping ability wouldn't be in the NBA.

 

[BrooklynBound]

Allan Houston is now working for the Knicks he couldn't cut it in his return to the NBA ofcourse he's going to speak glowingly about him. Lee isn't taking more than what 2-3 jumpers per game, put it like this if you leave him alone he'll hit a few but to sit there and tell me his jumper has improved don't you watch the majority of his shots ? He starts off screens and flashes down, then he's brought in the game when the second unit big men are on the floor, you put a big that is quick and gets physical Lee gets erased from the gameplan. The fact is Eddy Curry was force fed last yr., Randolph drew the double teams and Lee normally would have a mismatch flashing down.



No one is underrating Lee, he is good and very talented but he's no top big in the league, he hardly scratches the top 10 in the East.



David Lee is a starter ! Everybody has said that, it was your coach who chose to drop him as a 6th man for energy off the bench. The Nets did the same w/ Boone. Lets show you how crazy this is, Tyrus Thomas coming off the bench is dangerous, Glen Davis same thing, He's a damn good player but gets too much hype because his BB IQ is more than the entire roster other than Ewing Jr., the media made him a golden child because he's a whiteboy that can slamdunk and pass the efficient enough, but for all that he plays no D, has no consistant jumper watsoever and if not for his jumping ability wouldn't be in the NBA.

Why are you still arguing? You admitted Lee was better and no one ever implied that Lee was a top 10 big in the East.