Death penalty

[ballerman2112]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 23 2006, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, it's definatly worth spending millions of dollars, having people wait 15 years on death row...wasting millions of dollars of tax payer money...bogging down our courts with appeals...just to inject/kill a guy that was going to rot in prison anyway...

Just the fact that we let our courts/government decide life/death is ridiculous....</div>how is it considered ridiculous? We elect them every year dont we...

 

[SirLaker]

Do you guys realize that it not only cost us to put a man on Deathrow but also it costs us money to keep them in prison.I am skeptical to say I approve of it or don't because there are so many issues involved but I am not against it.This is because the men getting put to death are mass murderers and phycos,which if kept alive would only danger other prisoners etc.The only way that they are not either murderes or phycos is if they are Harrison Ford in the movie 'The Fugitive" which they are not.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Jul 23 2006, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you guys realize that it not only cost us to put a man on Deathrow but also it costs us money to keep them in prison.I am skeptical to say I approve of it or don't because there are so many issues involved but I am not against it.This is because the men getting put to death are mass murderers and phycos,which if kept alive would only danger other prisoners etc.The only way that they are not either murderes or phycos is if they are Harrison Ford in the movie 'The Fugitive" which they are not.</div> Death Row doesn't kill enough people to keep costs down for prisons....You could have 200 people executed every year and the prison costs across the country would barely change...and Serial Killers are hardly a threat in prison, they are often killed in prison by other inmates unless they are confined by themselves...the cheapest form of the death penalty is having these people in with the prison population...but death row in prison usually means solitarty confinement.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how is it considered ridiculous? We elect them every year dont we...</div> Giving a judge the right...pretty much to have someone killed...I think is out of line.

 

[ballerman2112]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 23 2006, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Giving a judge the right...pretty much to have someone killed...I think is out of line.</div>dont u think its out of line to let somebody live after killing innocent lives? I guess its all about money to you though...that is what it all comes down to

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dont u think its out of line to let somebody live after killing innocent lives? I guess its all about money to you though...that is what it all comes down to</div> I don't think it's out of line. It comes down to common sense. The courts in this country make it too big of a jumbled mess...Just keep the bum in his cell and don't waste more of the courts/tax payers time. I could care less if some bum is getting injected or if he sits in soletary confinement his whole life, either way the public won't have to deal with him.

 

[ballerman2112]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 23 2006, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it's out of line. It comes down to common sense. The courts in this country make it too big of a jumbled mess...Just keep the bum in his cell and don't waste more of the courts/tax payers time. I could care less if some bum is getting injected or if he sits in soletary confinement his whole life, either way the public won't have to deal with him.</div>thats because you have no relation to the person that had been killed. dont you think that if somebody close to you was murdered, you would like to see something done to him beyond the extremeties of living in a cell....

 

[BigMo763]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats because you have no relation to the person that had been killed. dont you think that if somebody close to you was murdered, you would like to see something done to him beyond the extremeties of living in a cell....</div>That varies from person to person. It depends on whether the person thinks with their head or their heart. Wanting to get revenge is human nature, but the way I look at it, killing the person who killed your loved one is just giving them the easy way out. Let them sit in a cell and rot for the rest of their life... let them sit there and think about what they did. They are going to die eventually anyway, right? So why not just let them sit there and rot in prison and then die? Giving them the death penalty is not going to bring your loved one back.That's just the way I look at it, but like I said before it will vary from person to person.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 23 2006, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats because you have no relation to the person that had been killed. dont you think that if somebody close to you was murdered, you would like to see something done to him beyond the extremeties of living in a cell....</div> My aunt was killed by a drunk driver a few years ago...and my neighbor from down the street last year was murdered in his house. I used to play basketball with him when I was a kid. He was beaten to death by a 'friend' with a baseball bat. I'm not 'an eye for an eye' kind of guy.

 

[nba dogmatist]

manslaughter is ALOT different than murder. That drunk driver didn't mean to kill your aunt. If someone murder another himan being intentionally, they deserve to die. And then rot in hell for eternity.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Jul 24 2006, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>manslaughter is ALOT different than murder. That drunk driver didn't mean to kill your aunt. If someone murder another himan being intentionally, they deserve to die. And then rot in hell for eternity.</div> She was killed intentionally....but I don't feel like going into it.

 

[Hang Eleven]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Just the fact that we let our courts/government decide life/death is ridiculous....</div>The fact that let people off easy after they decide life or death with an innocent person is ridiculous.Plus, it's not like all killers have life sentences. Some people have only 30 years and then get paroled.

 

[Blaze]

I am against the death penalty. Like BCB has said, it costs way too much money, and it's a human life. It is stooping down to the level of the criminal himself. As bad as the criminal himself was, it is not right to execute someone for a murder or bombing. Nothing good happens out of it, the people he killed do not come back. It does not teach the killer a lesson, because they will die.Life in prison, is the best punishment.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am against the death penalty. Like BCB has said, it costs way too much money, and it's a human life. It is stooping down to the level of the criminal himself. As bad as the criminal himself was, it is not right to execute someone for a murder or bombing. Nothing good happens out of it, the people he killed do not come back. It does not teach the killer a lesson, because they will die.Life in prison, is the best punishment.</div> Thank you, thank you...i'm glad someone else shares my view. :beerchug:

 

[Blaze]

For once, yes I do agree with you BCB.But, it is easy for me to understand why someone would be for the penalty, regardless if I think it is not a good idea.

 

[ballerman2112]

What is the point in the person living after killing innocent lives? and dont use money as an excuse

 

[Blaze]

First of all,You never know if the person the man/woman murdered was innocent. There is always an incentive, unless it's a robber or serial killer.Read what I said above.

 

[BrewCityBuck]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 26 2006, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What is the point in the person living after killing innocent lives? and dont use money as an excuse</div> What difference does it make? They are in prison anyway...it's just not an efficient/effective way....not with our court system. And it is about the money....I don't feel like our area having to waste $70 million a year putting every murderer on death rowe, thats insanity...our courts would be an even bigger mess.

 

[ballerman2112]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 26 2006, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What difference does it make? They are in prison anyway...it's just not an efficient/effective way....not with our court system. And it is about the money....I don't feel like our area having to waste $70 million a year putting every murderer on death rowe, thats insanity...our courts would be an even bigger mess.</div>I never said put EVERY murderer on death row. If you look at one of my first posts in this thread, i said guys that had more than one murder. So it wouldnt be 70 million dollars. And for the United States, that wouldnt as much money as you portray it out to be.

 

[Blaze]

Are you serious?In US standards 70 Mil. is still a crazy amount of money.Like I said, you're not bringing anybody back to life with the death penalty, so why stoop as low to the criminal? Rot in prison, easier. They might even die with a different mind, a more peaceful one. Most people change in prison, did you know that? Malcolm X for example (he was not put on a life sentence)

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Most people change in prison, did you know that? Malcolm X for example (he was not put on a life sentence)</div>Yeah, I'm sure Malcolm X is the rule rather than the exception.

 

[ballerman2112]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you serious?In US standards 70 Mil. is still a crazy amount of money.Like I said, you're not bringing anybody back to life with the death penalty, so why stoop as low to the criminal? Rot in prison, easier. They might even die with a different mind, a more peaceful one. Most people change in prison, did you know that? Malcolm X for example (he was not put on a life sentence)</div>70 million dollars over a full year is not that much money for the U.S. Standards. I know I have brought this up before but the government spends over a billion a day just for the war in Iraq.

 

[Blaze]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 26 2006, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I'm sure Malcolm X is the rule rather than the exception.</div>What's that suposed to mean?If you can't make clear and direct posts don't expect anybody to understand them.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 27 2006, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>70 million dollars over a full year is not that much money for the U.S. Standards. I know I have brought this up before but the government spends over a billion a day just for the war in Iraq.</div>Over one billion dollars? I doubt that. Maybe hundreds of thousands to millions but I think over a billion a day is a stretch.

 

[ballerman2112]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you can't make clear and direct posts don't expect anybody to understand them.Over one billion dollars? I doubt that. Maybe hundreds of thousands to millions but I think over a billion a day is a stretch.</div>Im positive its over a billion a day. here you go.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3603923.stm

 

[Justice]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What's that suposed to mean?If you can't make clear and direct posts don't expect anybody to understand them.</div>I was as succinct as I possibly could be. Malcolm X is an exception to the rule.

 

[Hang Eleven]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What's that suposed to mean?If you can't make clear and direct posts don't expect anybody to understand them.</div>How many people have changed in prison? And you said yourself he had no life sentence, so how would lifers feel. Would they get over it, and start living a new life -- in prison? Your so-perfect Malcom X is one in a million.

 

[Blaze]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 27 2006, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im positive its over a billion a day. here you go.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3603923.stm</div> Holy sh*t.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Jul 27 2006, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How many people have changed in prison? And you said yourself he had no life sentence, so how would lifers feel. Would they get over it, and start living a new life -- in prison? Your so-perfect Malcom X is one in a million.</div>Lifers would feel peace in mind, at the most. In jail all you can do is pray all day and feel a connection w/ god.There are other examples, Muhammad Ali, for one. he spent some time in jail i'm 99% sure, but changed after it.Ken Shamrock changed after he was in Juvenile Hall, many, many years ago.2 kids in my school were sentenced to 2 weeks in Juvenile Hall for a big gang fight. When they came back, whoa, they were different.

 

[Hang Eleven]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>There are other examples, Muhammad Ali, for one. he spent some time in jail i'm 99% sure, but changed after it.Ken Shamrock changed after he was in Juvenile Hall, many, many years ago.2 kids in my school were sentenced to 2 weeks in Juvenile Hall for a big gang fight. When they came back, whoa, they were different.</div>Muhammed Ali never went to jail.And anyway, those are the exceptions, not the rule.

 

[Blaze]

He was sentenced to five years in jail for draft evasion, however. It took him a long time and lots of hard work to convince the courts not to send him to jail. I'm sure he changed with the fear of prison. Fear of death just scares people, does not change them.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And anyway, those are the exceptions, not the rule.</div>There are thousands of other exceptions. A minority? Yes, of course. But thousands are still a lot of people, in reality.

 

[Hang Eleven]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Fear of death just scares people, does not change them.</div>That's the point. If you're scared of death, then you're not going to do the crimes that have a death penalty.

 

[Justice]

Muhammed Ali didn't change because of a court ruling. If the courts sent him to jail or never convicted him at all, he still wouldn't have gone into the military. Nothing could be more unrelated to changing your life in prison. Examples don't prove that most people change, it just proves that there are certain people who change. I can say that Scientology is a religion where most people are geniuses and list a few examples, but I'd be ignoring all the people who are idiots. In this case, you are ignoring all those that don't change (probably about 80-85% don't change, if I had a guess).