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Just wanted your thoughts on this....

Here in CT there is a major debate over wether a guy should get the death penalty after a brutal and horrific crime. Im sure you have all heard of the Petit family home invasion? it happened about 2 towns away from me. Scary. Anyhow the killer who burned the 2 daughters alive, raped and killed the mother..... got teh death sentence today. Some here in the state say its better for him to serve life in prison.
I say kill him. He deserves to die. It was the most brutal local crime I have ever heard since living in CT.

Do you guys think he should fry?
 
keeping someone like him alive is dangerous
 
Should fry. knowing that he is on borrowed time is probably more stressful.
 
I think I was a bit extreme in my earlier stance. What we should do is take him to the zoo and throw him in with the animals one cage at a time until he dies. Start with the petting zoo and work your way up to meaner animals until one gets him. Vegas could take bets on what cage gets him and we could raise some money for charity or something.
 
Its pretty crazy how averse california is to the death penalty nowadays. some activist judge has been delaying executions for some time.
 
here its fucking ridiculous. This state is so fucked up.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-execution-drug-20101108,0,5101494.story

California has executed 13 inmates since capital punishment was reinstated in 1976, two by lethal gas and 11 by lethal injection. No executions have been carried out since January 2006 because of reviews and procedural revisions ordered by Fogel. The death row population has since swelled to 713 — the nation's largest by far.

Only seven of those condemned prisoners have exhausted all of their appeals and are eligible for execution, said Christine Gasparac, spokeswoman for the attorney general's office.

Gasparac declined to say whether state law prohibits the import or use of lethal-injection drugs manufactured abroad and lacking U.S. Food and Drug Administration approval.
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He should probably die. But, I believe it was the other guy, who's trial isn't until later on who was mastermind behind the rapes and everything. The guy with the russian name. That guy should get fried on the spot.
 
this kind of reminds me of that movie Law Abiding Citizen
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Abiding_Citizen

Clyde Shelton (Gerard Butler), a Philadelphia engineer, witnesses the rape and murder of both his wife and five-year old daughter at the hands of Clarence J. Darby (Christian Stolte) and accomplice Rupert Ames (Josh Stewart), leaving Shelton emotionally scarred. He is told by career-minded prosecutor Nick Rice (Jamie Foxx) that the case was compromised by a bungled forensic investigation and Shelton's testimony cannot incriminate either man because he blacked out during the incident. Rice, interested in maintaining his 96% conviction rate, makes a deal with Darby: in return for pleading guilty to third-degree murder, he will provide testimony that will send Ames to death row for what is, essentially, a robbery charge. Shelton is left feeling betrayed.
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I think we should use the death penalty more frequently, and with less of a wait time.
 
I am very pro death penalty.

The sad thing is we have to pay to keep this fucker alive at all. Just put a bullet in his brain and be done with it. It's also things like this that make me believe in an eye for an eye. Cut his dick off, shove a broom handle up his ass and then set him on fire.
 
was this story getting a lot of coverage in the northwest?
 
this is from a local lawyer....

This is just where I differ from alot of people. As disgusting and vile these mens crimes were and as much as I would like him to suffer, murder is murder. But put that aside because everyone has emotions and feelings on the topic, which I understand. Here's what really makes me a firm advocate for the death penalty - two things. First - I think that putting a person in prison for the rest of his life is far worse than killing him. And Second...and the one that really gets me...based on our present system and the number of current inmates on death row...after each prisoner went through every appeal proccess, held up the courts for years in litigation, sat in cell for 20 years while this whole thing went through the courts, it costs the US $232.7 million per year to keep him incarcerated. In a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty...$11.5 million. How much money could we be putting to our education systems or countless other programs if we merely locked this guy up in a dark cell for the rest of his life? All because we need to play God and take this mans life away as he did one of ours? I say no.
 
MIXUM said:
this is from a local lawyer....

This is just where I differ from alot of people. As disgusting and vile these mens crimes were and as much as I would like him to suffer, murder is murder. But put that aside because everyone has emotions and feelings on the topic, which I understand. Here's what really makes me a firm advocate for the death penalty - two things. First - I think that putting a person in prison for the rest of his life is far worse than killing him. And Second...and the one that really gets me...based on our present system and the number of current inmates on death row...after each prisoner went through every appeal proccess, held up the courts for years in litigation, sat in cell for 20 years while this whole thing went through the courts, it costs the US $232.7 million per year to keep him incarcerated. In a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty...$11.5 million. How much money could we be putting to our education systems or countless other programs if we merely locked this guy up in a dark cell for the rest of his life? All because we need to play God and take this mans life away as he did one of ours? I say no.
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Those are pretty much the reasons I'm opposed. I know if I were a criminal and had the choice of death or life in solitary, I'd choose death. Can you imagine how hellish it'd be to go for years with nothing to do but listen to your own thoughts?
 
And it'll always be expensive to execute somebody. It's a very serious business, and there's no going back. There really should be a lot of roadblocks to keep it from happening quickly. So it's pretty much guaranteed to be far, far more expensive than just keeping them alive.
 
I wouldn't be opposed to him being put in a prison ward where he gets ass raped every day guaranteed the rest of his life. But only if that was guaranteed.
 
I am a huge opponant of the Death Penalty, but there should be cases in which it's warranted. And I believe this is one of them.
 
No Person shall be deprived of LIFE, Liberty, or Property without due process of law.

Found guilty is due process, whether the guy is actually guilty or not. The founding fathers clearly considered the death penalty, and considered the mere 12-0 vote of the jury good enough.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think we should use the death penalty more frequently, and with less of a wait time.
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Death Penalty is a fucking failure in the state of Illinois. Just like our government... It shouldn't be tossed around like "YEAH FRY THAT FUCKER" because what if he was innocent? More than 50% of the people the state used the penalty on was innocent..
 
DPGB said:
Death Penalty is a fucking failure in the state of Illinois. Just like our government... It shouldn't be tossed around like "YEAH FRY THAT FUCKER" because what if he was innocent? More than 50% of the people the state used the penalty on was innocent..
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FWIW, no innocent person has ever been executed.

Some people with a lot of time and money are trying to make the case that Cameron Todd was innocent but executed by the state of Texas in 1989.

Also for the record, in the history of the USA (as a nation, since 1776), less than 5000 people have been executed in total. Most of those in a 20 year period around the 1930s.
 
Denny Crane said:
FWIW, no innocent person has ever been executed.
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Dang. You have little faith in the effectiveness of government, yet complete faith that government has acted 5000 times without making a mistake.

And it really has to be faith, because there's no way to really verify your claim.
 
mook said:
Dang. You have little faith in the effectiveness of government, yet complete faith that government has acted 5000 times without making a mistake.

And it really has to be faith, because there's no way to really verify your claim.
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I have reasonable faith in the courts, just not in government bureaucracies.

With all the appeals processes and 12+ year waiting periods before a person can be executed, and how few there really are, it's not difficult to see how the innocent get off.
 
Denny Crane said:
I have reasonable faith in the courts, just not in government bureaucracies.

With all the appeals processes and 12+ year waiting periods before a person can be executed, and how few there really are, it's not difficult to see how the innocent get off.
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The American legal system is a mammoth bureaucracy. But I suppose it always correctly and judiciously dispenses death sentences, because this is one government system that gets it right 5000 times out of 5000 times.

And if you happen to not be white, well, tough:

One Philadelphia study found that blacks were 3.9 times more likely to receive a death sentence than similarly situated, non-black defendants. The race of the victim is also a determining factor. In Georgia, it is estimated that black defendants whose victims were white were 4.3 times more likely to receive the death penalty than defendants whose victims were black. The research illuminating the huge amount of racial disparity is vast and thorough.
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Fine. Don't kill them. Toss them on an Island and let them take care of themselves. What it boils down to is that I don't want to pay to keep them alive, and I don't want the risk of them getting out and doing it again. I don't buy the "innocent people have been killed" argument because that may have been true decades ago, but how likely is it that someone will be found guilty with all the advances we have today, go through the appeal process, AND STILL be put to death despite being innocent? I don't think it's very likely in our day and age. 30 years ago? Sure. Today? No.
 
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