Dee Gordon Suspended 80 Games

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Another Idiot and I bet the Team will support him same with Colabello.
 
...nothing surprises me anymore...I do get disappointed every now and then, but I'm seldom if ever surprised.

..and until they change the language in players' contracts, this sort of thing will continue.
 
Same here, not surprised. Its like they keep saying...."There's no cure for stupid".
 
It's just frustrating to continue to have them insult your intelligence. Every sport that does testing has thresholds. In other words they're not out to get people for stuff that the body can naturally produce in trash amounts or what can be found in trash amounts of some supplements. To test positive for stuff like this means you're above the threshold and it's almost a certainty that you knowingly took a particular anabolic for example. Not to mention these latest two guys got nailed in spring training which would lead you to believe they assumed whatever they were doing prior was out of their system.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...nothing surprises me anymore...I do get disappointed every now and then, but I'm seldom if ever surprised.

..and until they change the language in players' contracts, this sort of thing will continue.
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...Steven A agrees;

 
surprised me: it was the skinny kid, (who hasn't bulked up- but then not all Steroids create mass/bulk),

not surprised Dee flew under the radar

not surprised Vitamin S, is still being used in MLB...

surprised Dee tows the common line, D-E-N-I-A-L....
 
From what I've heard each ST session allots a ay for presentation of what these guys can and cannot have. Armed with that information I am not going to believe that you didn't know what you took. Now suck it up and take your 80 days and be happy you have somewhere to comeback to. I agree with Steven A. Smiths take.
 
Note to self:

The "P" in PED doesn't stand for "power." It stands for "performance,"
 
Clostebol (active ingredient) has an ester form that is orally dosed. Therefore it is possible (not arguing plausible - insufficient facts) that this could be a contaminant in some other nutritional supplement (s).

If unintentional, he'll have to prove it.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
From what I've heard each ST session allots a ay for presentation of what these guys can and cannot have. Armed with that information I am not going to believe that you didn't know what you took. Now suck it up and take your 80 days and be happy you have somewhere to comeback to. I agree with Steven A. Smiths take.
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Unfortunately, a lot of these small supplement businesses are start ups and contract/share manufacturing and packaging equipment. There were cases between 98-01 out here in San Diego of certain products getting spiked due to cross contamination due to inefficient equipment cleaning and prep between lots. I personally know the chemists that consulted for the lawyer team that helped exonerate several pro, college and Olympic athletes.

More than an approved "list", vendors need to comply to glp/GMP standards as that would eliminate all doubt.
 
...every gets a list, every trainer gets a list, the MLBPA gets a list...no excuse. Testing has also gotten much better in the last 15 years or so.

...and the MLBPA is not rushing to defend these players who are caught for good reason.

...there are also more times than not, a "spike" in the player's performance...and so Gordon has left little doubt he was a user.
 
Ron those lists are vetted only by reading contents and screening a sample provided by the manufacturer so they can get on the list. It's not the best way to ensure protecting athletes.

Furthermore, people are always looking for something new or different, it doesn't seem to me that there is a mechanism for players to bring materials in for testing. New formulations and science pops up constantly, as well as cons and snake oil. These players are not the sharpest folks out there, especially regarding supplement science.

I'd like to see more sound testing and evaluation processes to support players rather than destroying them due to a positive test. The goal needs to be no positive unless it was 100% intended. We're not there yet...but that's how many people assume it already is.
 
...well, I don't know what to tell you...it's the only system we have right now.

...can you name one MLB player that was wrongly accused/disciplined ?
 
yankeesince59 said:
...well, I don't know what to tell you...it's the only system we have right now.

...can you name one MLB player that was wrongly accused/disciplined ?
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Not with the available facts, no. We have no knowledge of false positive rates, or contested results still being adjudicated.

Make no mistake this system has been modeled on WADA/USADA this is designed to bring public opinion into the process. Saying it's the only system we have does not equate it's absolute accuracy.

All I'm saying is if the guy wants to say publically that he had no idea, then give him a chance to exonerate himself before convicting him if cheating. But he has to know that it's double jeopardy.

I believe giving players recourse to challenge this system is important because it ultimately corrects any flaws and improves assurance in future results.
 
Do these players know how to read? LOL
 
^^^^^^ahhhhhhh.Funny....BUT Dammit. Learn it. You're earning a salary in U.S.


I was going to add.........'Do they care?'
 
totus44 said:
Not with the available facts, no. We have no knowledge of false positive rates, or contested results still being adjudicated.

Make no mistake this system has been modeled on WADA/USADA this is designed to bring public opinion into the process. Saying it's the only system we have does not equate it's absolute accuracy.

All I'm saying is if the guy wants to say publically that he had no idea, then give him a chance to exonerate himself before convicting him if cheating. But he has to know that it's double jeopardy.
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...lol, that's right, we don't know for certainly if someone was wrongly burned but we DO know the ones who were caught and were rightfully disciplined.

...but alright, I'll put it another way...can you name an MLB player who has tested positive but vehemently denied using and was believable and showed no "spike" in production"?

...Tote, I really don't know what your motivation is here...MLB/MLBPA and its fans have a very serious problem and the current system is all we have...but you're questioning the testing system itself instead of the players who are making a farce out of the game.

...no offense, but you're acting like one of the libtards or ALCU people you claim to despise. The system may not be absolutely perfect but it beats the hell out of not having one at all.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...either they cannot read or they don't care or they feel the reward of a big contract outweighs the risk...and that's the problem.
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Bullseye....that is the problem, ...

and/or: feeling washed up, (like Clemens, when Boston let him go-stating as much)... extending careers, et al.

What is the point of being a celebrated athlete at the expense of your health?

As reported by Sports Illustrated, half of all recently surveyed Olympic athletes admitted that they would be willing to take a drug -- even if it would kill them eventually -- as long as it would let them win every event they entered five years in a row. This type of 'win at any cost' mentality is pervading sports at all levels of competition
 
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