Defending The Second Amendment and The Constitution

[Denny Crane]

I would be more fair about it if he had said 98% favored more background checks.

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More background checks is tighter controls on who can get a gun.

But I'm with YOU on the 2nd amendment issues.

 

[magnifier661]

You can't get away with shit in China. Look at their special forces?!?!

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

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[DaLincolnJones]

hmmmm

 

[RR7]

hmmmm

bet that jackass would feel awesome if something actually happened to his neighbors.

 

[MARIS61]

You can't get away with shit in China. Look at their special forces?!?!

A good dodgeball team could lay those guys out.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

 

[oldguy]

Does that include bad guys shot by good guys? Does it include suicides? Link?

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[oldguy]

Anyone have a theory for why Washington DC has, by far, the highest homicide rate in the country, when they have perhaps the toughest gun control?

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/homicide

Their rate is more than 5 times that of Oregon.

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[DaLincolnJones]

Does that include bad guys shot by good guys? Does it include suicides? Link?

Go Blazers

yeah..thats the trouble with "stats", its the old liers figure and figures lie. In Orgon last year I believe the death by gun was around 530, but after removing all of the reasons, only about ten percent were homicide

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

link:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mmentator-mark-shields-says-more-killed-guns/

 

[MARIS61]

Your link points out the deliberate deception of not just listing gun murders, which are only about 25 % of all civilian gun deaths.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Your link points out the deliberate deception of not just listing gun murders, which are only about 25 % of all civilian gun deaths.

What decepticons they are!

We should note that these figures refer to all gun-fire related deaths -- not just homicides, but also suicides and accidental deaths. In 2011, about one-quarter of firearm-related deaths were homicides, according to FBI and CDC data. Using total firearm-related deaths makes the case against guns more dramatic than just using homicides alone.

 

[Denny Crane]

It is deceptive. A lot of terminally ill people want to die at a time of their choosing.

 

[RR7]

It is deceptive. A lot of terminally ill people want to die at a time of their choosing.

doubt most of the terminally ill suicides are from guns.

 

[Denny Crane]

doubt most of the terminally ill suicides are from guns.

Most suicides, period, are by gun. 2nd is hanging.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

It is deceptive. A lot of terminally ill people want to die at a time of their choosing.

That is cryptic. Many suicides are by gun (55%), but what does that have to do with terminally ill people?

 

[RR7]

Most suicides, period, are by gun. 2nd is hanging.

Sounds great. Doesn't refute my post.

 

[MARIS61]

Many suicides are really murders and many accidents and accidental overdoses are really suicides.

Everything you know is wrong

 

[MARIS61]

Guns are used successfully for self defense 2, 500, 000 times a year in the US, which is 60 times for each murder by gun.

 

[Denny Crane]

That is cryptic. Many suicides are by gun (55%), but what does that have to do with terminally ill people?

Terminally ill people have few other options if they want to die at a time of their own choosing.

 

[oldguy]

How did gun control work to curb homicide in Australia? They outlawed most guns in 1996....certainly all guns that would work well for protection of one's life and property.

Until 1996, the federal government had little role in firearms law. Following the Port Arthur massacre, the Howard Government (1996–2007), with strong media and public support, introduced uniform gun laws with the cooperation of all the states, brought about through threats to Commonwealth funding arrangements. The then Prime Minister John Howard frequently referred to the USA to explain his opposition to civilian firearms ownership and use in Australia, stating that he did not want Australia to go "down the American path".[53][54][55] In one interview on Sydney radio station 2GB he said, "We will find any means we can to further restrict them because I hate guns... ordinary citizens should not have weapons. We do not want the American disease imported into Australia."[56] John Howard had earlier expressed a desire to introduce restrictive gun laws when he was Opposition Leader during a 1995 interview with Australian political journalist Laurie Oakes.[57] In his autobiography Lazarus Rising: A Personal and Political Autobiography, Howard expressed his support for the anti-gun cause and his desire to introduce restrictive gun laws long before he became Prime Minister.

So John Howard had a personal agenda about guns. A gun tragedy provided him with a chance to push through his gun control agenda.

In 1997, the prime minister appointed the Australian Institute of Criminology (AIC) to monitor the effects of the gun buyback. The AIC have published a number of papers reporting trends and statistics around gun ownership and gun crime, which they have found to be mostly related to illegally-held firearms.

Ever heard the expression, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."?

In 2005 the head of the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Don Weatherburn,[34] noted that the level of legal gun ownership in New South Wales increased in recent years, and that the 1996 legislation had had little to no effect on violence. Professor Simon Chapman, former co-convenor of the Coalition for Gun Control, complained that his words "will henceforth be cited by every gun-lusting lobby group throughout the world in their perverse efforts to stall reforms that could save thousands of lives".[35] Weatherburn responded, "The fact is that the introduction of those laws did not result in any acceleration of the downward trend in gun homicide. They may have reduced the risk of mass shootings but we cannot be sure because no one has done the rigorous statistical work required to verify this possibility. It is always unpleasant to acknowledge facts that are inconsistent with your own point of view. But I thought that was what distinguished science from popular prejudice."

In 2006, the lack of a measurable effect from the 1996 firearms legislation was reported in the British Journal of Criminology. Using ARIMA analysis, Dr Jeanine Baker (a former state president of the SSAA(SA)) and Dr Samara McPhedran (Women in Shooting and Hunting) found no evidence for an impact of the laws on homicide.

So, gun control was not helpful, and the criminals still have guns....who woulda thought? As posted before....look at Mexico. The common man can't own guns. Have you ever heard that the drug cartels have trouble finding guns there?

A 2010 study on the effects of the firearm buybacks by Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi of Melbourne University's Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research studied the data and concluded, "Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.

I just don't get it. There are so many anti-government types on this forum, yet you are willing to let the government take another of your most important rights without lifting a finger. AND, most importantly, you will lose your rights and it won't reduce violent crime rates. SMH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

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[Denny Crane]

Curious how they're coming after peoples' guns at a time the govt. is hastening its demise through massive borrowing.

 

[oldguy]

Curious how they're coming after peoples' guns at a time the govt. is hastening its demise through massive borrowing.

Stamp another $1T coin?

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[MARIS61]

Looks like coup is just about begin.

http://www.examiner.com/article/feds-explanation-of-hollow-point-bullets-raises-more-questions

News reports indicating that multiple agencies of the federal government have ordered and are stockpiling multimillions of rounds of ammunition have pressured the Feds to offer an explanation. But the official explanation has only raised more questions.

On Friday the government stated that the hollow point bullets it has procured are "standard issue" and that they are used to train security agents used by each of the various federal agencies.

However, according to retired Maj. Gen. Jerry Curry, a decorated Army war veteran, the Feds' explanation about the bullets fails to pass the smell test...

...Firing range bullets are much less expensive and are not designed for the day to day use of the gun for maximum self protection. One uses the more expensive variety, such as hollow point bullets, for real-life danger.

And when Maj. Gen. Curry confirmed these suspicions in his article for The Daily Caller, it became clear that the Obama Administration has not been honest with the public concerning the current mass stockpiling of ammunition.

Curry stated,

Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.

In addition, Curry noted that during the Iraq War the U.S. military used 70 million rounds of ammunition per year. Compare that with the 750 million rounds of hollow point bullets that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) ordered in March. And then it further ordered another 750 million rounds of various types of ammunition, some of which can penetrate walls. Curry declared,

This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.

I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?

The other factor that is raising significant concerns about the ammo purchases is that the U.S. military and various law enforcement agencies at both the federal and local levels have enough fire power to adequately respond to any emergency or threat. But DHS now has enough ammo on its own to kill every single American citizen plus potential invaders such as Syrians, Iranians, or Mexicans.

Why? And for what purpose?

As a career Army officer, Maj. Gen. Curry believes that the stockpiling of this ammo is enough to warrant a congressional investigation, including an order from Congress that the purchases of hollow point bullets be stopped immediately.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Wait, so private citizens should be allowed hollow points, but not the government?

 

[speeds]

This 3D-printed .223 fired off six-hundred rounds without material failure. If 3D printers become something people can afford to have in their garages, so long gun control (assuming ammunition can be printed as well).

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