Dem debate, 2/4/2016

[SlyPokerDog]

Holly shit, Bernie just walked into a buzz saw. Shrillary is destroying him.

 

[Haakzilla]

Email Servers. FBI. Pending Indictment. Bernie Wins. The End.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hillary keeps claiming that she's the better democrat because republicans hate her more than Bernie. Bernie seems confused by this.

 

[Haakzilla]

She is a monster. She lies through her teeth. She is evil.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

MSNBC is bathing in the Hillary kool aid.

 

[Haakzilla]

MSNBC is bathing in the Hillary kool aid.

...it's all bullshit! Bought and paid for by the banking cartels (who happen to also control most major media outlets).

 

[barfo]

...it's all bullshit! Bought and paid for by the banking cartels (who happen to also control most major media outlets).

French banking cartels? I hear they run the FBI, so my guess is they'll let Hillary off.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hillary has a much better organization, much better consultants and advisers. She had a really good spin going tonight.

 

[julius]

MSNBC is bathing in the Hillary kool aid.

They're not the only ones. I've noticed that Fallon, Colbert and Noah (the three late night guests I somewhat regularly watch) all almost discount Bernie as if he's Ralph F'n Nader or something.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

#feelthebern is a dirty liar too. Calling out Verizon, ge and boeing. Give me a break. Your schtick is tiresome.

 

[Haakzilla]

#feelthebern is a dirty liar too. Calling out Verizon, ge and boeing. Give me a break. Your schtick is tiresome.

...it is no lie that they pay zero in taxes because of their off-shore shelters, this type of nonsensical business tax loophole is tiresome!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

...it is no lie that they pay zero in taxes because of their off-shore shelters, this type of nonsensical business tax loophole is tiresome!

lol. yeah, ok. they pay taxes. trust me on that one.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Do yourself a favor and go look at the financial reports of these companies. They are freely on their websites. Tells you all you need to know on the taxes they paid each year instead of listening to Bernie give his talk.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

$7.2 billion in taxes, and other facts from Verizon’s 10-K
What was your tax bill in 2014? Chances are, Verizon’s was higher.

The company has just filed its latest 10-K with the SEC, and the 241-page document is filled with disclosures large and small.

Ever wanted to know Verizon’s headquarters address, phone number, where the company was incorporated, its IRS ID number, how many shares of Verizon stock are outstanding, or on which exchanges its stock is registered?

All that information is on Page 1 alone.

Other fast facts about Verizon:

• In 2014, Verizon paid $7.2 billion in taxes. This includes $4.1 billion paid in 2014 for income taxes, $1.3 billion for employment taxes, and $1.8 billion in property and other taxes. (Note 13)

• In 2014, Verizon invested $17.2 billion in network infrastructure, placing the company as one of the top private investors in U.S. technology. This investment has totaled more than $50 billion over the past three years. (See “Capital Expenditures” on the Consolidated Statements of Cash Flows)

• Approximately 177,300 employees and 209,000 retirees are eligible to participate in Verizon’s benefit plans. (Page 19)

• Verizon has 19 principal subsidiaries. (Exhibit 21)

• $100 invested in Verizon stock at year-end 2009 would have been worth $194.20 at year-end 2014. (Stock Performance Graph)

The upshot? Verizon is one of the largest taxpayers and investors in America.

Some studies use statistics cherry-picked from the same 10-Ks that report Verizon’s multi-billion tax payments to misrepresent the company’s effective tax rate. These studies ignore information disclosed in the 10-K explaining that Vodafone’s minority interest in Verizon Wireless and certain pension accounting rules artificially lower Verizon’s effective tax rate. When this information is properly considered, Verizon’s effective tax rate is in excess of 30%.

Additionally, some wrongly cite Congressionally sanctioned “bonus depreciation” as a tax loophole, even though this tax policy does not reduce Verizon’s tax payments or liabilities. This U.S. economic development policy only defers federal tax payments for companies that invest in America’s technology infrastructure.

Interested in a shorter version of this type of information about Verizon? View or download the company’s Fact Sheet -- just one page, front and back -- with key year-end 2014 statistics and information about products and services.

Straight from Verizon's mouth. http://www.verizon.com/about/news/5-fast-facts-from-verizons-10-k

And guess what? I trust them over Bernie's "Citizens for Tax Justice" group he is getting his info from. Wanna know why? Because it's called the SEC, and these reports are filed by law every year.

 

[riverman]

Are you really surprised that politicians in the debates sensationalized these issues? They're exhausted...these election campaigns should be 4-6 weeks long tops....say your bit....vote, move on...it's like being in a cover band and singing Unchained Melody for tips thousands of times, night after night...eventually, you start hating music

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Are you really surprised that politicians in the debates sensationalized these issues? They're exhausted...these election campaigns should be 4-6 weeks long tops....say your bit....vote, move on...it's like being in a cover band and singing Unchained Melody for tips thousands of times, night after night...eventually, you start hating music

I'm not surprised at all. What I am surprised of though is people take it as gospel without having common sense or doing research on what is being said.

And unfortunately, it's usually too late for those same people to realize they were bamboozled again by a politician.

This party bullshit needs to stop. Republicans and democrats both have good things about them.

 

[dviss1]

#feelthebern is a dirty liar too. Calling out Verizon, ge and boeing. Give me a break. Your schtick is tiresome.

He's not lying about that. GE got a check from you, I, and everyone in the forum instead of paying taxes.

 

[dviss1]

$7.2 billion in taxes, and other facts from Verizon’s 10-K
What was your tax bill in 2014? Chances are, Verizon’s was higher.

The company has just filed its latest 10-K with the SEC, and the 241-page document is filled with disclosures large and small.

Ever wanted to know Verizon’s headquarters address, phone number, where the company was incorporated, its IRS ID number, how many shares of Verizon stock are outstanding, or on which exchanges its stock is registered?

All that information is on Page 1 alone.

Other fast facts about Verizon:

• In 2014, Verizon paid $7.2 billion in taxes. This includes $4.1 billion paid in 2014 for income taxes, $1.3 billion for employment taxes, and $1.8 billion in property and other taxes. (Note 13)

• In 2014, Verizon invested $17.2 billion in network infrastructure, placing the company as one of the top private investors in U.S. technology. This investment has totaled more than $50 billion over the past three years. (See “Capital Expenditures” on the Consolidated Statements of Cash Flows)

• Approximately 177,300 employees and 209,000 retirees are eligible to participate in Verizon’s benefit plans. (Page 19)

• Verizon has 19 principal subsidiaries. (Exhibit 21)

• $100 invested in Verizon stock at year-end 2009 would have been worth $194.20 at year-end 2014. (Stock Performance Graph)

The upshot? Verizon is one of the largest taxpayers and investors in America.

Some studies use statistics cherry-picked from the same 10-Ks that report Verizon’s multi-billion tax payments to misrepresent the company’s effective tax rate. These studies ignore information disclosed in the 10-K explaining that Vodafone’s minority interest in Verizon Wireless and certain pension accounting rules artificially lower Verizon’s effective tax rate. When this information is properly considered, Verizon’s effective tax rate is in excess of 30%.

Additionally, some wrongly cite Congressionally sanctioned “bonus depreciation” as a tax loophole, even though this tax policy does not reduce Verizon’s tax payments or liabilities. This U.S. economic development policy only defers federal tax payments for companies that invest in America’s technology infrastructure.

Interested in a shorter version of this type of information about Verizon? View or download the company’s Fact Sheet -- just one page, front and back -- with key year-end 2014 statistics and information about products and services.

Straight from Verizon's mouth. http://www.verizon.com/about/news/5-fast-facts-from-verizons-10-k

And guess what? I trust them over Bernie's "Citizens for Tax Justice" group he is getting his info from. Wanna know why? Because it's called the SEC, and these reports are filed by law every year.

Sure, you're going to find that on their website of course. They sure know how to cook their books!

 

[jlprk]

Holly shit, Bernie just walked into a buzz saw. Shrillary is destroying him.

Sly, I watched the debate, missing the game's first half, and neither I nor the crowd agreed with you. It was even. I don't know where you're getting that Hillary beat Bernie tonight.

Hack, while I'm for Bernie, you are falling for Republican propaganda about Hillary being an evil crook.

Fizzle, the Verizon post that you copied cherry picks facts, then slants them in ways any accountant can see right through. If I had an hour, I'd list for you why practically every sentence in it misinterprets the very numbers stated therein.

 

[Haakzilla]

Hack, while I'm for Bernie, you are falling for Republican propaganda about Hillary being an evil crook.

...the evil I am speaking of has nothing to do with Republicans, this type of evil extends far beyond the paradigm!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Sure, you're going to find that on their website of course. They sure know how to cook their books!

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[JfizzleBlazer]

Sly, I watched the debate, missing the game's first half, and neither I nor the crowd agreed with you. It was even. I don't know where you're getting that Hillary beat Bernie tonight.

Hack, while I'm for Bernie, you are falling for Republican propaganda about Hillary being an evil crook.

Fizzle, the Verizon post that you copied cherry picks facts, then slants them in ways any accountant can see right through. If I had an hour, I'd list for you why practically every sentence in it misinterprets the very numbers stated therein.

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[SlyPokerDog]

Sly, I watched the debate, missing the game's first half, and neither I nor the crowd agreed with you. It was even. I don't know where you're getting that Hillary beat Bernie tonight.

I watched the first hour of the debate before the game and Hillary came out really aggressive and went hard at Bernie. The Bernie supporters in the audience were much louder.

 

[dviss1]

I watched the first hour of the debate before the game and Hillary came out really aggressive and went hard at Bernie. The Bernie supporters in the audience were much louder.

Um... That's because there are more of them. WAY more. He's trouncing her by over 20 points.

As of today nationally, they are within the margin of error (2 pts). 44-42 Hillary.

In the debate her rhetoric was full of disingenuous bullshit. She looks crazier by the day.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Um... That's because there are more of them. WAY more. He's trouncing her by over 20 points.

As of today nationally, they are within the margin of error (2 pts). 44-42 Hillary.

In the debate her rhetoric was full of disingenuous bullshit. She looks crazier by the day.

Maddow and MSNBC were clearly for Hillary.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Clinton and trump give each side the better chance in winning. They line up closer to the middle than Cruz or Bernie.

Trump doesn't line up near the middle. I would say Rubio is working hard to claim that spot.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What I find interesting is that Hillary said multiple times she wants to continue Obama's policies. But if she is the nominee that message won't go over well. Also Obama is pushing hard for the TPP yet Bernie got Hillary to switch her position to being against it.

Also IMO Hillary desperately wants to be president and is willing to say and promise anything to get the job even if she doesn't believe it or intend on keeping those promises.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Meh, I disagree. He does on some issues. Far more than most republicans. Trump just says really stupid shit sometimes

When Trump first announced he was running he was talking policy. Now it's just him insulting the other candidates and talking about how great, smart and rich he is. What's weird is how many people are really responding to that.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

What I find interesting is that Hillary said multiple times she wants to continue Obama's policies. But if she is the nominee that message won't go over well. Also Obama is pushing hard for the TPP yet Bernie got Hillary to switch her position to being against it.

Also IMO Hillary desperately wants to be president and is willing to say and promise anything to get the job even if she doesn't believe it or intend on keeping those promises.

,........

 

[dviss1]

Trump doesn't line up near the middle. I would say Rubio is working hard to claim that spot.

He's the scariest IMO. He's a RAPEpublican...