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Those links didn't exactly show he said he wanted to be like them economically. In fact, one of them was a link to the other one AND the one it linked to didn't even have a quote from him.
 
julius said:
Those links didn't exactly show he said he wanted to be like them economically. In fact, one of them was a link to the other one AND the one it linked to didn't even have a quote from him.
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The Stephanopolis and Sanders transcript sure looks like a quote.
 
Denny Crane said:
The Stephanopolis and Sanders transcript sure looks like a quote.
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Yeah, and he provided 3 links. 1 was, at best, a stretch of a quote saying he wants us to copy their economic policies, and another was an article about him (but without a quote FROM him) and the 3rd was a link to the 2nd one.
 
julius said:
Yeah, and he provided 3 links. 1 was, at best, a stretch of a quote saying he wants us to copy their economic policies, and another was an article about him (but without a quote FROM him) and the 3rd was a link to the 2nd one.
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He was pretty enthusiastic about agreeing that the U.S. Should look more like Scandinavia.

Their 50% tax to GDP is how they look like what they look like.

Or are you suggesting Sanders has some other way to pay for his socialism without taking vast sums of money from the people to spend on his agenda?
 
magnifier661 said:
http://content.jwplatform.com/previews/74P8ZfcT-hLb0vkFd
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yeah, I saw that

Just like your inability to understand what the term "satire" means, you seem to be unable to figure out what it means to say "more like".

I'm just wondering if you actually listened to what he said. Government actually working for the middle class instead of the insanely rich, education being free, healthcare and not being known for starting wars up with people. Having income equality, strong middle class, and treating the environment better?

NO where did he say "yep, I want to tax people at a figure pulled directing from Mags ass".
 
julius said:
yeah, I saw that

Just like your inability to understand what the term "satire" means, you seem to be unable to figure out what it means to say "more like".

I'm just wondering if you actually listened to what he said. Government actually working for the middle class instead of the insanely rich, education being free, healthcare and not being known for starting wars up with people. Having income equality, strong middle class, and treating the environment better?

NO where did he say "yep, I want to tax people at a figure pulled directing from Mags ass".
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Wait, so when it was said....

STEPHANOPOULOS: I can hear the Republican attack ad right now: He wants America to look more like Scandinavia.

SANDERS: That’s right. That’s right. What’s wrong with that?
 
julius said:
yeah, I saw that

Just like your inability to understand what the term "satire" means, you seem to be unable to figure out what it means to say "more like".

I'm just wondering if you actually listened to what he said. Government actually working for the middle class instead of the insanely rich, education being free, healthcare and not being known for starting wars up with people. Having income equality, strong middle class, and treating the environment better?

NO where did he say "yep, I want to tax people at a figure pulled directing from Mags ass".
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And wait a minute... Helping the middle class? You know that these countries tax the middle class much more than we tax ours?
 
Denny Crane said:
He was pretty enthusiastic about agreeing that the U.S. Should look more like Scandinavia.

Their 50% tax to GDP is how they look like what they look like.

Or are you suggesting Sanders has some other way to pay for his socialism without taking vast sums of money from the people to spend on his agenda?
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Did you see what other countries were at 27%?

Trinidad and Tobago 28.0
Jamaica 27.2
Zimbabwe 27.2
Bolivia 27.0
Tonga 27.0
South Africa 26.9
United States 26.9
Kazakhstan 26.8
Korea, South 26.8
Croatia 26.6
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 26.5
Australia 25.8
Samoa 25.5
Venezuela 25.0

Not exactly a hot bed of developing countries there.
 
magnifier661 said:
Wait, so when it was said....

STEPHANOPOULOS: I can hear the Republican attack ad right now: He wants America to look more like Scandinavia.

SANDERS: That’s right. That’s right. What’s wrong with that?
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qualifiers matter.
 
julius said:
Did you see what other countries were at 27%?

Trinidad and Tobago 28.0
Jamaica 27.2
Zimbabwe 27.2
Bolivia 27.0
Tonga 27.0
South Africa 26.9
United States 26.9
Kazakhstan 26.8
Korea, South 26.8
Croatia 26.6
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 26.5
Australia 25.8
Samoa 25.5
Venezuela 25.0

Not exactly a hot bed of developing countries there.
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Oh okay... So you are for the tax hike then?
 
Listen, Mags is making the argument that if Sanders wants so of the social policies that Scandinavian countries have that means he wants a 70% tax rate. That's not an accurate argument or even something that Sanders has have said.

We can give employees paid sick time without raising taxes. We can give women paid maternity leave without raising taxes. There are things we can do for our citizens that improves their lives that doesn't involve raising taxes.

This is very similar to the smear campaign going against Trump right now, just because Trump has supported universal health care or has given money to democrat candidates doesn't mean he's some secret democrat in hiding.

Here are two candidates outside of the traditional political mold, we have a real chance this election to actually talk about policy and direction of the nation. Not just empty shit your pants rhetoric.

Sanders is a rapist, Sanders is a communist, now Sanders wants to raise taxes to 70%. WTF?!?

How instead of getting caught up in the BS being spread about both candidates we instead look at the issues they are running on.
 
magnifier661 said:
And wait a minute... Helping the middle class? You know that these countries tax the middle class much more than we tax ours?
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sometimes I don't even know why I bother reading your posts anymore. You're too scared and gullible for your own good.

(that satire piece, that fake Obama quote you got your panties in a bunch over, and probably a dozen other threads you started that were so obviously in a chain mail that it's not even funny anymore)
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Listen, Mags is making the argument that if Sanders wants so of the social policies that Scandinavian countries have that means he wants a 70% tax rate. That's not an accurate argument or even something that Sanders has have said.

We can give employees paid sick time without raising taxes. We can give women paid maternity leave without raising taxes. There are things we can do for our citizens that improves their lives that doesn't involve raising taxes.

This is very similar to the smear campaign going against Trump right now, just because Trump has supported universal health care or has given money to democrat candidates doesn't mean he's some secret democrat in hiding.

Here are two candidates outside of the traditional political mold, we have a real chance this election to actually talk about policy and direction of the nation. Not just empty shit your pants rhetoric.

Sanders is a rapist, Sanders is a communist, now Sanders wants to raise taxes to 70%. WTF?!?

How instead of getting caught up in the BS being spread about both candidates we instead look at the issues they are running on.
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All the Scandinavian countries have high tax rates. Do you think the poor and middle class will support having a tax hike? Lets say 10% increase in taxes they already pay?

So you think Bernie can do what he promises without hiking the tax rates of the poor and middle class? Please enlighten me with the magic of Bernie Sanders!
 
julius said:
sometimes I don't even know why I bother reading your posts anymore. You're too scared and gullible for your own good.

(that satire piece, that fake Obama quote you got your panties in a bunch over, and probably a dozen other threads you started that were so obviously in a chain mail that it's not even funny anymore)
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Nice reply... So you don't want to openly discuss Bernie needing to tax ALL SOCIAL CLASSES in order to have a socialized welfare like these Scandinavian countries then?
 
magnifier661 said:
Nice reply... So you don't want to openly discuss Bernie needing to tax ALL SOCIAL CLASSES in order to have a socialized welfare like these Scandinavian countries then?
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What is socialized welfare, are you advocating privatizing welfare?
 
magnifier661 said:
Nice reply... So you don't want to openly discuss Bernie needing to tax ALL SOCIAL CLASSES in order to have a socialized welfare like these Scandinavian countries then?
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Maybe, because, you don't need to?
 
magnifier661 said:
All the Scandinavian countries have high tax rates. Do you think the poor and middle class will support having a tax hike? Lets say 10% increase in taxes they already pay?

So you think Bernie can do what he promises without hiking the tax rates of the poor and middle class? Please enlighten me with the magic of Bernie Sanders!
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No, I doubt anyone will support a 10% tax increase.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What is socialized welfare, are you advocating privatizing welfare?
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When a country is giving you free healthcare, schooling or subsidies, its a form of welfare. Welfare is a social service provided by the state of fed government
 
magnifier661 said:
Oh please enlighten me how you can do this when every successful democratic socialist country has almost double our tax to GDP?
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I'll do that when you provide links showing that he actually said that instead of you just parroting what you've read in an email or heard on the radio (thinking you've made a valid point).
 
julius said:
I'll do that when you provide links showing that he actually said that instead of you just parroting what you've read in an email or heard on the radio (thinking you've made a valid point).
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