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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ary-clintons-book-what-happened-clear-message

Hillary Clinton's book has a clear message: don't blame me

Thomas Frank


How do you lose the presidency to a man like Donald Trump? He was the most unpopular presidential candidate of all time, compounding blunder with blunder and heaping gaffe upon gaffe. Keeping him from the Oval Office should have been the single-minded mission of the Democratic party. And it should have been easy for them.

Instead they lost, and now their 2016 candidate Hillary Clinton comes before us to account for this monumental failure, to tell us What Happened. Unfortunately, her new book is less an effort to explain than it is to explain away.

No real blame ever settles anywhere near Clinton’s person. And while she wrestles gamely with the larger historical question of why the party of the people has withered as inequality grows, she never offers a satisfying answer. Instead, most of the blame is directed outward, at familiar suspects like James Comey, the Russians and the media.
 
dviss1 said:
And the Republicans are PISSED because he worked with the Dems.
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He wants to spend lots of money at a deficit to pay for hurricane damage. So he worked with the party that loves to spend lots of money at a deficit.

Reaching across the aisle like this is something Obama never did.
 
Denny Crane said:
He wants to spend lots of money at a deficit to pay for hurricane damage. So he worked with the party that loves to spend lots of money at a deficit.

Reaching across the aisle like this is something Obama never did.
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C'mon Denny.

The Debt Ceiling is money we already OWE...

Y'all need to stop with that bull.

Last time I checked Republicans LOVE to spend too. Just on different shit. War war war.
 
dviss1 said:
C'mon Denny.

The Debt Ceiling is money we already OWE...

Y'all need to stop with that bull.

Last time I checked Republicans LOVE to spend too. Just on different shit. War war war.
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No, the debt ceiling is the max we can borrow. Raising it is to allow the government to rack up even more debt. Thanks Obama.

Last time I checked, there are 52 republicans in the senate and plenty who would not vote to raise the debt ceiling, period. The only way raising the debt ceiling would pass is with enough Democrats - and they were glad to help spend more.
 
Denny Crane said:
No, the debt ceiling is the max we can borrow. Raising it is to allow the government to rack up even more debt. Thanks Obama.

Last time I checked, there are 52 republicans in the senate and plenty who would not vote to raise the debt ceiling, period. The only way raising the debt ceiling would pass is with enough Democrats - and they were glad to help spend more.
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And those republicans are in that camp now since the stupid Tea Party came in.

Thanks Obama? Reagan raised the Debt ceiling how many times? How many times did Bush?

You're really full of it right now. Every president raises the debt ceiling but somehow it's Obama's fault...
 
dviss1 said:
This shit is outrageous. He's not saying his daughter is beautiful. He's saying SEX... That's crazy. The women even tell him as much and cringe when he says it.

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He's been playing too much Crusader Kings 2 as a Zoroastrian.
 
dviss1 said:
And those republicans are in that camp now since the stupid Tea Party came in.

Thanks Obama? Reagan raised the Debt ceiling how many times? How many times did Bush?

You're really full of it right now. Every president raises the debt ceiling but somehow it's Obama's fault...
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Those republicans have nothing to do with Tea Party. There's been a Liberty Caucus in the republican party for decades.

Carter, before Reagan, raised the debt ceiling. It's been rare that the debt has ever gone down, no matter who's the president.

When Reagan was president, the Democrats controlled both houses and the House declared Reagan's budgets DOA and wrote their own. Reagan wanted a balanced budget amendment and line item veto. If he had those, we'd not be in so much debt and he wouldn't have borrowed at all.

It's Obama's fault it was raised $10,000,000,000,000. That money would have paid reparations 5x over. What do we have to show for all that spending? Nothing bit hundreds of $billions in interest payments (which buy nothing).
 
Denny Crane said:
Those republicans have nothing to do with Tea Party. There's been a Liberty Caucus in the republican party for decades.

Carter, before Reagan, raised the debt ceiling. It's been rare that the debt has ever gone down, no matter who's the president.

When Reagan was president, the Democrats controlled both houses and the House declared Reagan's budgets DOA and wrote their own. Reagan wanted a balanced budget amendment and line item veto. If he had those, we'd not be in so much debt and he wouldn't have borrowed at all.

It's Obama's fault it was raised $10,000,000,000,000. That money would have paid reparations 5x over. What do we have to show for all that spending? Nothing bit hundreds of $billions in interest payments (which buy nothing).
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Hilarious. You blame Obama for "spending" (no president spends. The house has the purse strings) but blame congress for Reagan's spending (our national debt TRIPLED under Reagan).

You can't have it both ways.
 
Denny Crane said:
Those republicans have nothing to do with Tea Party. There's been a Liberty Caucus in the republican party for decades.

Carter, before Reagan, raised the debt ceiling. It's been rare that the debt has ever gone down, no matter who's the president.

When Reagan was president, the Democrats controlled both houses and the House declared Reagan's budgets DOA and wrote their own. Reagan wanted a balanced budget amendment and line item veto. If he had those, we'd not be in so much debt and he wouldn't have borrowed at all.

It's Obama's fault it was raised $10,000,000,000,000. That money would have paid reparations 5x over. What do we have to show for all that spending? Nothing bit hundreds of $billions in interest payments (which buy nothing).
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And you're acting like Reagan's budget was good... It fucking sucked. But you have a Libertarian's view of what government should/shouldn't do.

Somalia basically.
 
lol, i guess on election night she took a nap while the election results were coming in.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/hillary-clinton-describes-the-night-she-lost-to-donald-trump

In vivid color, Clinton also recalls the whiplash of the last 24 hours of the campaign, from the euphoria of her last full day of campaigning to the pain and uncertainty on election night.

During their final event together, Clinton recalls Obama hugging her and whispering, “You’ve got this. I’m so proud of you.”

Her campaign, Clinton writes, was perilously vulnerable at the time, though, and Election Day was downhill after voting. She writes that as her husband was nervously “chomping on an unlit cigar,”she took a nap as the results were coming in. When she awoke, the “mood in the hotel had darkened considerably.”

Obama, hours after extolling her campaign, urged Clinton to concede to Trump on election night, not drawing out the 2016 campaign any longer than necessary. Clinton writes that her call with Trump was “without a doubt one of the strangest moments of my life.”

“I congratulated Trump and offered to do anything I could to make sure the transition was smooth,” she writes. “It was all perfectly nice and weirdly ordinary, like calling a neighbor to say you can’t make it to his barbecue. It was mercifully brief … I was numb. It was all so shocking.”
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Here's a chart for you:

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dviss1 said:
Hilarious. You blame Obama for "spending" (no president spends. The house has the purse strings) but blame congress for Reagan's spending (our national debt TRIPLED under Reagan).

You can't have it both ways.
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I guess he should start blaming Trump too then. Oh wait, trump is a republican president so its the congress's fault. Thats the pattern right. Obamas administration had to spend as much as they did to fix the hole Bush Jr put us in. Bush spent so much on the war it was ridculous. His tenure caused a mini depression. The shit pile was so big after Bush left, obama was basically a janitor cleaning it up.
 
Chris Craig said:
I guess he should start blaming Trump too then. Oh wait, trump is a republican president so its the congress's fault. Thats the pattern right. Obamas administration had to spend as much as they did to fix the hole Bush Jr put us in. Bush spent so much on the war it was ridculous. His tenure caused a mini depression. The shit pile was so big after Bush left, obama was basically a janitor cleaning it up.
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I'm not happy about increasing the debt ceiling. The current budget was passed before Trump was elected.

I wasn't happy about Bush taking us to war, though I did want Saddam gone. Like how W's dad took out Noriega.

Obama and Clinton are all about excuses. So be it.
 
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/heres-what-really-happened-to-hillary-1505431677

Here’s What Really Happened to Hillary
Voters found her unappealing, and they rejected Bernie’s ideology too.

Hillary Clinton is again everywhere, touting her new memoir and adding to the list of who and what are to blame for her loss: Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, James Comey, Jill Stein, Vladimir Putin, Julian Assange, Anthony Weiner, sexism, misogyny, the New York Times , lazy women, liberal activists and the “godforsaken Electoral College.” All she’s missing is climate change.

Hillary’s take on “What Happened” has unsurprisingly unleashed another round of analysis about her mistakes—Wisconsin, deplorables, email. These sorts of detailed postmortems of failed campaigns are popular, but they tend to obscure the bigger reasons for failure. In this case: The Democratic Party saddled itself with an ethically compromised and joyless candidate, because it had nobody else.

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And so the party nominated perhaps the only Democrat in the country who could rival Donald Trump in unpopularity—and beat him in untrustworthiness. Mr. Sanders refused to go after Mrs. Clinton on her ethical baggage, even though it was her biggest weakness and despite how glaringly obvious was the risk that her foundation and server scandals would hobble a general-election campaign. The parties gave the country a choice between two unpopular people, and the country disliked her more. The real question is how Democrats rebuild a party whose senior leaders in the House boast an average age of 72 and which has almost no young, experienced up-and-comers.
 
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