denny please defend bush

[lawai'a]

lets put it all out there . defend the tax cuts vs. deficit no graphs or opinion pieces. your conclusion will be how my middle class life is better. defend the invasion of Iraq with a nonselective memory account of how the rest of the world told us to shove it when we tried to sell them on the whole weapons of mass detruction item is addressed, and finally how did the Iraq/afgahanistan wars of the past 15 years not contribute to the deficit, the intolerance, the complete failure of us Mideast policy and made for a more harmonious outcme in the world today. like the dolphins said "so long and thanks for all the fish"

 

[Denny Crane]

When the government takes $200B more in revenue than it spends, it's taking more than it should or has to. Why shouldn't the money be returned to those it was TAKEN from?

I don't defend the occupation of Iraq. We should have taken out Saddam and left. Mission accomplished, you sort out your own future.

Even so, the cost of the war was less than the surplus and tax cuts. The tax cuts returned $1.3T to the taxpayers over 10 years, or $130B/year. Both wars cost $100B/year. The surplus in 2001 was $236B. $236B - $100B - $130B = +$6B. Still surplus.

Unfortunately, Bush and republicans spent like drunk sailors ON SOCIAL PROGRAMS. Except drunk sailors stop spending when their wallets are empty.

What fallacy do you want debunked next?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Bush did 9/11.

 

[Denny Crane]

To justify my figures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War

The most recent major report on these costs come from Brown University in the form of the Costs of War, which totaled just over $1.1 trillion.
(The war lasted 9 years)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-bush-tax-cuts/2011/05/09/AFxTFtbG_blog.html

Over the 10-year period, the overall size of the tax cut dropped about 5 percent, or $65 billion, to $1.285 trillion. Some people might call that a rounding error in the context of a ten-year federal budget.... No matter how you count it, nearly $1.3 trillion is a lot of money.



Note the $412.7B in spending by 2004 above and beyond the wars and tax cuts.

 

[jlprk]

When the government takes $200B more in revenue than it spends, it's taking more than it should or has to. Why shouldn't the money be returned to those it was TAKEN from?

That's what the Democrats did in the 1990s. They paid the surpluses back to the banks from which it had been borrowed, just like Reagan lied in the 1980 campaign that he would do. Just like Republicans lied (throughout the 1980s, 90s, and amazingly after the fact continued in the 2000s), claiming that Democrats historically had avoided doing and Republicans had done. Then Republicans took charge in 2001 and cashed in, paying the former surpluses to their campaign contributors as cuts for rich taxpayers.

So yeah, you're right in what should have happened. I guess you're criticizing Bush and the Republicans.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's what the Democrats did in the 1990s. They paid the surpluses back to the banks from which it had been borrowed, just like Reagan lied in the 1980 campaign that he would do. Just like Republicans lied (throughout the 1980s, 90s, and amazingly after the fact continued in the 2000s), claiming that Democrats historically had avoided doing and Republicans had done. Then Republicans took charge in 2001 and cashed in, paying the former surpluses to their campaign contributors as cuts for rich taxpayers.

So yeah, you're right in what should have happened. I guess you're criticizing Bush and the Republicans.

What a concept. I criticized Bush and the Republicans.

But no, the money wasn't borrowed from banks all along. T-Bills are owned by the public/rich/Chinese/Japanese. So Clinton not only taxed the middle class' life savings, he gave it all to the rich. The 1%.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://useconomy.about.com/od/monetarypolicy/f/Who-Owns-US-National-Debt.htm

Debt Held by the Public - Foreign governments and investors hold about half of the nation's public debt. A little over one-fifth is held by other governmental entities, like the Federal Reserve and state and local governments. Fifteen percent is held by mutual funds, private pension funds, savings bonds or individual Treasury notes. The rest is held by businesses, like banks, and insurance companies and a mish-mash of trusts, businesses and investors. Here's the breakout:

 

[lawai'a]

all fallacies. you can not separate any of the conditional questions.
lets start with the lies/manipulating the info to the people.

inspectors claim there are no WMD been there done that there are no WMD. are there today any WMD's in Iraq?

in the past u have defended the invasion as a necessary evil to remove a tyrant. do you think he might have dared to kill 150,oooo of his own constituents?

not likely even tyrants know their limits

we had no compunctions about it they aren't Christian? an enomarse hubris
still waiting for cheney's open arms and roman welcome. mission accomplished.

do you talk to mussillim?

do you think anyone understood the significance of installing Malaki, with the undersanding of sectarian the region truly is? no lets blame the democratic president , who would rather secure a peace through negotiation, than a useless show of force without commitment. my brother r in law is a quadraplegigic,, my sister in law a mess. why? true veterans both my son want's to enlist? hate is not the solution.lets attack a peace plan where the terms are at best unknown because of American exceptionalism. been around the the world 3 times, seen every thong but the wind but some one who hasn't been there to dictate foreign policy? go fuck youself

 

[jlprk]

What a concept. I criticized Bush and the Republicans.

But no, the money wasn't borrowed from banks all along. T-Bills are owned by the public/rich/Chinese/Japanese. So Clinton not only taxed the middle class' life savings, he gave it all to the rich. The 1%.

Here we go with your semantic Dictionary Defense again. For the purposes of national debt, foreign banks and U.S. pension funds, mutual funds, and insurance companies are often collectively called banks.

If you were criticizing Bush when you defended his tax cuts above, you fooled everyone.

 

[Denny Crane]

There were no lies.

There were WMDs used and found.

No, I think W wouldn't kill anyone unless it was "him or me."

Saddam killed 150,000 (way more, actually) of his own constituents. How about them apples?

I don't get the hubris schtick. I do get you HATE certain people. So be it. But if you're thinking Bush went there to kill Muslims, he sure seemed to go there to give them the right to vote and girls get to go to school, and no more tyrant.

Open arms:

I know many muslims. They're fine and upstanding people.

I think Malaki was elected. When Obama surrendered in Iraq, he led Malaki to believe he could turn on the Sunnis. What a fuck up that was.

 

[Denny Crane]

Here we go with your semantic Dictionary Defense again. For the purposes of national debt, foreign banks and U.S. pension funds, mutual funds, and insurance companies are often collectively called banks.

If you were criticizing Bush when you defended his tax cuts above, you fooled everyone.

Who owns mutual funds?

 

[lawai'a]

waiting

 

[jlprk]

http://useconomy.about.com/od/monetarypolicy/f/Who-Owns-US-National-Debt.htm

Debt Held by the Public - Foreign governments and investors hold about half of the nation's public debt. A little over one-fifth is held by other governmental entities, like the Federal Reserve and state and local governments. Fifteen percent is held by mutual funds, private pension funds, savings bonds or individual Treasury notes. The rest is held by businesses, like banks, and insurance companies and a mish-mash of trusts, businesses and investors. Here's the breakout:

More Dictionary Defense. As is diverting the thread to, "Who owns mutual funds."

 

[lawai'a]

denny let greed take you away may you servive, truly do you find a higher calling than the almighty dollar? sorry for your soul

 

[lawai'a]

have you served?

 

[lawai'a]

have you served

 

[lawai'a]

have you served?

 

[lawai'a]

look up our family if you are in doubt. commissioned officers/ rangers/ disabled should lead you home/ Bradley
might find battle field comisisions /5 tour data/ etc. my brother in law might be embarrased

 

[jlprk]

Lawaia, you've made this thread broad. Most threads hit Bush (or Obama) with something specific. I can broadly sum up Bush this way:

1) He and Cheney can't visit most countries legally, and none safely. It's the first time a former president can't travel around the world making speeches.

2) Because Bush ruined the U.S. so much, current Republican candidates don't stand a chance against an old woman, Hillary. Until a candidate like Rand Paul receives backing from the "dominant paradigm" (you know who you are, bots), presidents will be Democrats for a generation after Bush (until most voters are too old to remember him).

Neither Denny nor I, nor almost the whole board, have been in the military. Few college degree types have. Nowadays, few non-college types have, either. I know more than most of the board about the military culture because I'm an Air Force brat.

 

[lawai'a]

There were no lies.

There were WMDs used and found.

No, I think W wouldn't kill anyone unless it was "him or me."

Saddam killed 150,000 (way more, actually) of his own constituents. How about them apples?

I don't get the hubris schtick. I do get you HATE certain people. So be it. But if you're thinking Bush went there to kill Muslims, he sure seemed to go there to give them the right to vote and girls get to go to school, and no more tyrant.

Open arms:

I know many muslims. They're fine and upstanding people.

I think Malaki was elected. When Obama surrendered in Iraq, he led Malaki to believe he could turn on the Sunnis. What a fuck up that was.

you think maliki was elected in a fair and open election? without bush that5 iranian simpathicer nevever could have got on the ballot

 

[lawai'a]

Lawaia, you've made this thread broad. Most threads hit Bush (or Obama) with something specific. I can broadly sum up Bush this way:

1) He and Cheney can't visit most countries legally, and none safely. It's the first time a former president can't travel around the world making speeches.

2) Because Bush ruined the U.S. so much, current Republican candidates don't stand a chance against an old woman, Hillary. Until a candidate like Rand Paul receives backing from the "dominant paradigm" (you know who you are, bots), presidents will be Democrats for a generation after Bush (until most voters are too old to remember him).

Neither Denny nor I, nor almost the whole board, have been in the military. Few college degree types have. Nowadays, few non-college types have, either. I know more than most of the board about the military culture because I'm an Air Force brat.

I am truly sorry for a an un sympathetic position. some ti

 

[SlyPokerDog]

have you served?

No Denny hasn't but he's an expert on running the US Navy.

 

[lawai'a]

you think maliki was elected in a fair and open election? without bush that5 iranian simpathicer nevever could have got on the ballot

I am truly sorry for a an un sympathetic position. some ti

jlprk I am sorry for passion , has no place in a debate. facts do though and when others might manipulate facts . needs exposure.

I apologize to th0se whom I might have tried to manipulate, some times it is hard because of family/clan

 

[jlprk]

There were no lies.

There were WMDs used and found.

Yeah, right.

No, I think W wouldn't kill anyone unless it was "him or me."

He is a pacifist?

Saddam killed 150,000 (way more, actually) of his own constituents. How about them apples?

Puny numbers compared to what Americans did under Bush. And when Saddam put down rebellions, they were fomented by Iraq (during the war with Iran that the U.S. backed him on by giving him WMDs to use against his own people) and directly by the U.S. (right after Big Bush pulled out in 1991, hoping to overthrow Saddam by provoking a rebellion).

I don't get the hubris schtick. I do get you HATE certain people. So be it. But if you're thinking Bush went there to kill Muslims, he sure seemed to go there to give them the right to vote and girls get to go to school, and no more tyrant.

And to return opium to their main crop, which the Taliban had gotten rid of.

My answers are in quotes.

 

[lawai'a]

jlprk I am sorry for passion , has no place in a debate. facts do though and when others might manipulate facts . needs exposure.

I apologize to th0se whom I might have tried to manipulate, some times it is hard because of family/clan

ive aPOLOGIGIZED MAY I STILL POST?

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[SlyPokerDog]

ive aPOLOGIGIZED MAY I STILL POST?

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You live in Hawaii, right?

 

[jlprk]

jlprk I am sorry for passion , has no place in a debate. facts do though and when others might manipulate facts . needs exposure.

I apologize to th0se whom I might have tried to manipulate, some times it is hard because of family/clan

My philosophy is, Never apologize. Especially on this board. HERE? Never.

You know the scandal at the Veterans hospital in Phoenix? A brilliant doctor in my in-law family was a top guy and has attempted suicide 3 times after being retired. He may yet die. It might be the same for others there. So I'm hearing about the military, still all these years after my parents died. This military family stuff never ends.

 

[jlprk]

You live in Hawaii, right?

What's the NSA's policy on message board moderators reporting potential suicides who criticize the military? Is there a central 800 phone number?

...You seem so interested in where his server is.

Lawaia, you're my favorite poster. Go to sleep.

 

[lawai'a]

My philosophy is, Never apologize. Especially on this board. HERE? Never.

You know the scandal at the Veterans hospital in Phoenix? A brilliant doctor in my in-law family was a top guy and has attempted suicide 3 times after being retired. He may yet die. It might be the same for others there. So I'm hearing about the military, still all these years after my parents died. This military family stuff never ends.[/QUO
here the voucher system a an improvement at least. are our vets poorly represtentated way bad is the shake up better? yea but what is better. these people, men and woman have servived. even heartless f++++ like our sponsor realize that their treatment is at best reprehensible friends from foriegh=ng wars unnamed still have no recourse but to jump through hoops unnnimedded because of previous administrations,

 

[lawai'a]

thank you jlprk