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[Denny Crane]

It's pretty hard to recover from suicide, no matter when you do it.

barfo

I find it easy to argue against a clown. That's about as relevant as your comment.

A person who wants to die now rather than endure terrible sickness and intolerable pain isn't going to recover, period.

 

[barfo]

I find it easy to argue against a clown. That's about as relevant as your comment.

A person who wants to die now rather than endure terrible sickness and intolerable pain isn't going to recover, period.

Right, so why did you say:

For the same reason you probably want assisted suicide legal, you want to financial crisis to come sooner - so it's less severe and better recovery possible.

How is 'less severe and better recovery possible' a reason to want legal assisted suicide?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Right, so why did you say:



How is 'less severe and better recovery possible' a reason to want legal assisted suicide?

barfo

Minimize the damage in both cases.

The dying person has his death "less severe" of symptoms, dignity, and suffering.

 

[Natebishop3]

Right, so why did you say:



How is 'less severe and better recovery possible' a reason to want legal assisted suicide?

barfo

I think what Denny is actually saying is that we should murder all the banks. It will minimize the damage and we can begin the healing process.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think what Denny is actually saying is that we should murder all the banks. It will minimize the damage and we can begin the healing process.

Basically.

We should have let them die. The nation's recovery would have started much sooner, and would have been much stronger.

 

[barfo]

Yes.

They should have let the banks fail back in 07. Now we have scumbags like Wells Fargo creating fake accounts for customers that they didn't know about on an institutional basis. The government, banks and big business will continue fucking you. Eventually their greed will catch up to you and they'll just pass the blame and the losses to the American people.

All that the FED has done has printed trillions of dollars out of thin air. They have also made the economy dependent on 0% interest rates. When they raise them and the markets start to tank, they are just going to lower them again (possibly negative interest rates) and print more money and the bubble gets bigger and bigger until the day where it becomes so bad that everything gets fucked.

America is done. Stick a fucking fork in it.

Have you been to other countries? [I know you have, the question is rhetorical]. Have you not noticed that other countries have problems too? Often much bigger problems.

Maybe it's the human race that's 'done'. So maybe we should just nuke ourselves into oblivion.

Or maybe we should just work to try to make things better, instead of thinking that blowing something up improves the something that is blown up.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Have you been to other countries? [I know you have, the question is rhetorical]. Have you not noticed that other countries have problems too? Often much bigger problems.

Maybe it's the human race that's 'done'. So maybe we should just nuke ourselves into oblivion.

Or maybe we should just work to try to make things better, instead of thinking that blowing something up improves the something that is blown up.

barfo

Or maybe we dominate the world economy and when we fuck up, they get crushed.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Have you been to other countries? [I know you have, the question is rhetorical]. Have you not noticed that other countries have problems too? Often much bigger problems.

Maybe it's the human race that's 'done'. So maybe we should just nuke ourselves into oblivion.

Or maybe we should just work to try to make things better, instead of thinking that blowing something up improves the something that is blown up.

barfo

Sure we can make things better. It'll just involve years of pain, which the country and government deserves for the years of cheating. The US Government is basically spraying air freshener on dog shit. Sure, it smells nicer, but its still a pile of dog shit. By not admitting any of the problems of this system, everyone will suffer more in the long term.

This current economic system is what, 100 years old? Its not that long of a time, it could be the wrong path to take. Blowing the whole thing up won't be the end of humanity. It'll just be the end of the current system. A new one will arise, but the old one has to (and will) fail.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Yup. We're fucked unless WE do something about it. What we don't realize is we outnumber the people who are really destroying the country.

Doing something requires getting up from the couch and turning off the tv. Fuck that, said every american ever.

 

[barfo]

Sure we can make things better. It'll just involve years of pain, which the country and government deserves for the years of cheating. The US Government is basically spraying air freshener on dog shit. Sure, it smells nicer, but its still a pile of dog shit. By not admitting any of the problems of this system, everyone will suffer more in the long term.

This current economic system is what, 100 years old? Its not that long of a time, it could be the wrong path to take. Blowing the whole thing up won't be the end of humanity. It'll just be the end of the current system. A new one will arise, but the old one has to (and will) fail.

Yes, maybe we are on the wrong path. But how can you say that if you burn it down without a plan, something better will arise?

Tell me your plan for a new society, and maybe I'll get on board with burning this one down. Otherwise, you are just an anarchist.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Video came out. It was a 73 guy who is reported to not be able to see very well. He was kind of minding his own business when this shrieking bitch starts following him and appears to touch him.

He's the old guy who trips here holding his wife's hand.

Okay, after much freeze-framing it appears the younger woman with the backpack is stalking the old couple who are bothering nobody, grabs his shoulder from behind and nothing is really determinable after that.

So she is guilty of an unprovoked assault against an elderly guy who is clearly handicapped but may have still managed to bump or push her away as a reflex to defend his wife and himself from an unseen attacker in an out-of-control violent crowd of protestors.

As with every Trump rally, the hired protestors sent by Dems are the only instigators of violence and the only ones shouting obscenities and starting fights.

If I was walking through an unruly crowd like that with my wife and was grabbed from behind I'd likely have killed the attacker simply out of reflex.

She sought out and chased down the most vulnerable people there and attacked them. She really needs to do some serious jail time before she hurts someone else.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This video shows nothing, why post it?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yes, maybe we are on the wrong path. But how can you say that if you burn it down without a plan, something better will arise?

Tell me your plan for a new society, and maybe I'll get on board with burning this one down. Otherwise, you are just an anarchist.

barfo

It is of my belief we are past the point of redemption. So any effort to make things better will just prolong the inevitable and make it worse. Its not that we need a new system, its that we are being bamboozled by the current one.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This video shows nothing, why post it?

The "racist deplorable" was an elderly man who couldnt keep his balance. The "victim" seemed like an annoying bitch who was looking to get punched.

 

[barfo]

Or maybe we dominate the world economy and when we fuck up, they get crushed.

You missed my point, which was that some system other than the American system isn't guaranteed to be better - in fact it's highly likely to be worse, based on human history so far.

barfo

 

[barfo]

It is of my belief we are past the point of redemption. So any effort to make things better will just prolong the inevitable and make it worse. Its not that we need a new system, its that we are being bamboozled by the current one.

And is being 'bamboozled' the very worst thing you can conceive of?

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And is being 'bamboozled' the very worst thing you can conceive of?

barfo

No. But its also not the best thing. It falls in the lower tier.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You missed my point, which was that some system other than the American system isn't guaranteed to be better - in fact it's highly likely to be worse, based on human history so far.

barfo

Actually as things evolve" its likely to be better. 120 years ago, people thought horses were the best way to travel and any other method would be inconceivable

 

[Denny Crane]

You missed my point, which was that some system other than the American system isn't guaranteed to be better - in fact it's highly likely to be worse, based on human history so far.

barfo

Free markets are better. When our markets were free, we built railroads and highways and airports and auto industry and airplane industry and electricity and skyscrapers.

Now we build twitter.

The definition of insanity is to keep making it worse, somehow believing it will get better.

 

[barfo]

Actually as things evolve" its likely to be better. 120 years ago, people thought horses were the best way to travel and any other method would be inconceivable

But you aren't interested in evolution. You are interested in burning things down.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

But you aren't interested in evolution. You are interested in burning things down.

barfo

Everything they built will fall. And from the ashes of their world we'll build a better one.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Free markets are better. When our markets were free, we built railroads and highways and airports and auto industry and airplane industry and electricity and skyscrapers.

Now we build twitter.

The definition of insanity is to keep making it worse, somehow believing it will get better.

Oh you mean back when the highest tax rate was 90%.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh you mean back when the highest tax rate was 90%.

Back when there was no tax rate.

 

[barfo]

Free markets are better. When our markets were free, we built railroads and highways and airports and auto industry and airplane industry and electricity and skyscrapers.

Some would say that a lot of those were either subsidized by or entirely paid for by government, not by 'free markets'.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Some would say that a lot of those were either subsidized by or entirely paid for by government, not by 'free markets'.

barfo

The railroad barons put up enormous sums of money. The government shouldn't own land in the first place.

I 'm not sure what the government did to build the Empire State Building. Or Ford Motors. Or the Wright Brothers. Or Thomas Edison. Go ahead and make something up.

 

[barfo]

The railroad barons put up enormous sums of money. The government shouldn't own land in the first place.

Whatever you think should be the case, the actual reality is that the government did own land, and did contribute it to incentivize the build-out of the rail system.

I notice you didn't mention how the free market caused highways and airports to be built.

I 'm not sure what the government did to build the Empire State Building. Or Ford Motors. Or the Wright Brothers. Or Thomas Edison. Go ahead and make something up.

Some of those are indeed free enterprise. Some of them are people, not sure the free market builds people.

As for Edison, though, ever hear of the Rural Electrification Act?

At least Trump only wants to take us back 50 years. You want to take us back 100 years (or more).

barfo

 

[riverman]

JP Morgan was basically the govt before Teddy Roosevelt took office....it may have been a free market but Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Carnegie, Vanderbilt and Hearst pretty much had monopolies until they went after each other. Not really until Ford did we see that sort of success from the ordinary hard working citizen

 

[Voodoo]

JP Morgan was basically the govt before Teddy Roosevelt took office....it may have been a free market but Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Carnegie, Vanderbilt and Hearst pretty much had monopolies until they went after each other. Not really until Ford did we see that sort of success from the ordinary hard working citizen

Right, Libertarians believe the free market is good because it allows for the market to determine things. You know, like monopolies! The market works REALLY well when there's no competition for a product, right? Oh wait, the extreme irony of libertarianism is that without government regulation of industry there IS no competition because eventually a single competitor can simply out compete, buy, or in other ways put their competition out of business which of course is bad for the consumer! I in fact lean libertarian, but generally find myself arguing with them on ideological grounds. When taken to it's ideological extreme it gets quite crazy, because in reality there are true needs for both private and public sectors; they compliment each other well, and do things better than the other. Anyway my favorite Monty Python skit really hits the nail on the head with Libertarianism:

 

[Denny Crane]

JP Morgan was basically the govt before Teddy Roosevelt took office....it may have been a free market but Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Carnegie, Vanderbilt and Hearst pretty much had monopolies until they went after each other. Not really until Ford did we see that sort of success from the ordinary hard working citizen

Sure. FDR instituted his 3-letter programs and agencies and it's take decades to get to the point it is now - bankrupt.

 

[Denny Crane]

Right, Libertarians believe the free market is good because it allows for the market to determine things. You know, like monopolies! The market works REALLY well when there's no competition for a product, right? Oh wait, the extreme irony of libertarianism is that without government regulation of industry there IS no competition because eventually a single competitor can simply out compete, buy, or in other ways put their competition out of business which of course is bad for the consumer! I in fact lean libertarian, but generally find myself arguing with them on ideological grounds. When taken to it's ideological extreme it gets quite crazy, because in reality there are true needs for both private and public sectors; they compliment each other well, and do things better than the other. Anyway my favorite Monty Python skit really hits the nail on the head with Libertarianism:

We haven't had true free markets, now, have we? They were just free-er.

The Carnegie foundation cured polio.

Standard Oil built the aqueducts - nationwide. OK, pipes to carry oil, but of a similar scale.

Carnegie's and then JP Morgan's steel industries built the golden gate bridge and the empire state building, as well as most of NYC and Chicago and ...

But of course, government and private sector partnerships have been great. Corporations get protections from their competitors by the government. They pay good money for it.

Replacing monopolies with a government monopoly is no better - in fact worse. Have fun at the DMV next time you go. Or dealing with the IRS in a tax dispute.

A monopoly might be a barrier to entry for competitors, but it creates opportunity anyway. Whatever happened to the company with the buggy whip monopoly?

As a Libertarian, I am not an anarchist. I do believe there is a role for government in society. I just don't think they should be picking winners and losers, favoring certain businesses over others, subsidizing any private venture, etc. We need police and fire and courts and printed money and military to protect us, etc.