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He also made turnover too in crucial part of the game. Trying dribble between two guys only bad things can happen.

I totally agree turnovers can happen when you split a double, as with any play. I think it's a complicated assessment when determining when Dame should try to split a double team. Angles of the defender are most important, as well as their defensive abilities. Splitting the double team puts the offense in such a huge advantage, that if you are able to be successful a few times, it might cause defenses to change their defense, which also might be to the advantage of the offense long term.

I think if you keep your eye out, you'll see players splitting defenders more often than you would initially assume.
 
I totally agree turnovers can happen when you split a double, as with any play. I think it's a complicated assessment when determining when Dame should try to split a double team. Angles of the defender are most important, as well as their defensive abilities. Splitting the double team puts the offense in such a huge advantage, that if you are able to be successful a few times, it might cause defenses to change their defense, which also might be to the advantage of the offense long term.

I think if you keep your eye out, you'll see players splitting defenders more often than you would initially assume.
Yes I see all the time and usually when there successful is when the trap comes late or it's terrible trap with to much space between defenders.
 
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The N.B.A. Slam Dunk Champion Cashes In
Derrick Jones Jr. took The New York Times behind the scenes of his free agency to reveal all of the nerves, contemplation and, ultimately, joy.

By Jonathan Abrams

  • Nov. 25, 2020Updated 4:37 p.m. ET
In a Miami hotel room, Derrick Jones Jr. and his agent, Aaron Turner, sat on a gray, three-seat couch with a laptop propped open on a coffee table in front of them.

This was the start of N.B.A. free agency last weekend, compressed and frenzied, squeezed in just after the draft and right before training camp, when dozens of players mulled multimillion-dollar offers as they sat in hotel rooms, living rooms and bedrooms around the world.

For Jones, 23, the moment offered time to reflect on how he had carved a long route to stability. He would end the night with an agreement for his first guaranteed N.B.A. contract after being passed over in the 2016 draft out of U.N.L.V. He latched on in the N.B.A.’s developmental league before climbing his way to the Phoenix Suns and the Miami Heat, earning a reputation as a dynamic leaper and a grinding defender.

On this night, Turner, the 34-year-old president of Verus Basketball, had secured meetings with three teams he believed would be interested in offering the contract that Jones hoped for, a multiyear deal starting at the league’s midlevel exception of $9.76 million.

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An article published the day before in The Miami Herald had stirred some anxiety. In it, an anonymous executive speculated about Jones: “If he got even $7 million a year, I would be shocked. If he gets $15 million over two years, his agent should get a bonus.” Turner preached confidence to Jones about his market value based on analytics.

The N.B.A. allowed teams to begin negotiations with free agents on Friday at 6 p.m. Eastern time. Turner checked in with the three teams he had planned on meeting with five minutes later to ensure they were indeed interested in offering a deal starting at the midlevel.


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Returning to the Heat remained an option, although Turner predicted Miami would want Jones back on a one-year deal. The Charlotte Hornets could offer the largest contract. However, the Hornets had targeted Gordon Hayward, and Jones could not bypass other options to wait them out. (Charlotte agreed to a four-year, $120 million deal with Hayward later that weekend.)

Jones started his first meeting, with representatives of the Sacramento Kings on a video conference call at 6:28 p.m.

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Jones, wearing a black T-shirt, listened quietly and intently, nodding during much of the eight-minute pitch.

“What’d you think?” Turner asked when it ended.

“If they’re going to let me play and let me be me,” Jones said, “then I’m with it … if the number’s right.”



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Jones won the dunk contest during All-Star Weekend in February.Credit...Nathaniel S. Butler/NBAE via Getty Images
Few N.B.A. players endured as much whiplash as Jones in 2020. He won the N.B.A. dunk contest in Chicago on his 23rd birthday; as a child, he had told his father he would win it one day.

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The next month, the coronavirus pandemic shut down the league. Jones’s personal chef left Miami, forcing a diet change that caused him to drop several pounds. Then Jones tested positive for the virus but recovered in time to join the N.B.A. restart in a bubble at Walt Disney World near Orlando, Fla., where he struggled with being away from his three young sons for months.

In the final seeding game before the playoffs, Jones collided with Indiana Pacers center Goga Bitadze and was carted off the court on a stretcher with a sprained neck. Then he played only spot minutes as Miami advanced to the N.B.A. finals against the Lakers. He had averaged 23.3 minutes and 8.5 points per game during the regular season.


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The setbacks stunted his momentum. Turner believed that Jones had untapped offensive potential and a high defensive ceiling. To demonstrate that ahead of free agency, he sent teams an informational packet showcasing Jones’s advanced defensive metrics.

“Talk about what you do offensively,” Turner said to Jones between meetings. “Let them know, too, whatever calls we have next, ‘I’m going to elevate this team defensively.’”

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Jones smiled. “That’s something that they know that’s going to happen,” he said.

Still, Jones delivered the line in his next meeting, with a delegation from the Portland Trail Blazers.

“If I was to come there, I believe that me and Robert Covington could help the team a whole lot,” Jones said, adding that he hoped to be named defensive player of the year in the future. “On defense, I’m going to be guarding the best players. That’s what I want.”

The Portland call lasted nearly an hour, with Jones engaged and asking questions. He appeared ready to commit in the moment. “By the end of the night, we’ll get back to you,” Turner said, ending the call.

Jones received a delivery of chicken wings during a break before a final pitch from the Minnesota Timberwolves. After an encouraging meeting, Jones could envision himself as part of an organization that treats its players holistically, styling personalized nutrition, sleep and recovery plans.

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“They made it a little harder,” Turner said after the call. “Just because I can tell they’re so creative. They’re different. I like that.”

“That made me start thinking a little bit more,” Jones said.

“They helped themselves a lot with that,” said Anthony Wells, Jones’s trainer, who was also in the hotel room.

“It all sounds good,” Jones said before listing some of Minnesota’s immovable components. The team featured a franchise player in center Karl-Anthony Towns; plus Malik Beasley; the No. 1 overall draft pick, Anthony Edwards; and the former All-Star point guard D’Angelo Russell.

“That’s four players ahead of me that’s going to touch the pill,” Jones said.

He returned to the Trail Blazers. Their organization is geared for the playoffs, built around guard cornerstones in Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum. Jones was looking to expand his offensive responsibilities, and he could reduce some of Lillard and McCollum’s offensive burden by bringing the ball up after grabbing a rebound.

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The organization had a healthy track record of developing wing players like Nicolas Batum, Al-Farouq Aminu and Wesley Mathews Jr., leading to large contracts later in their basketball careers.



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Derrick Jones Jr. helped distribute food at the Greater Chicago Food Depository in February, during the N.B.A. All-Star day of service.Credit...Chris Marion/NBAE, via Getty Images
The Trail Blazers had inquired about Jones’s sons and detailed the area’s community and educational system, aspects that caught Jones’s attention. They also talked with Wells about how his work with Jones could be incorporated into the team’s program.

The meetings over, Jones declared Portland as the favorite, a place where he would be willing to sign a two-year deal with a player option for the second season.

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“I might be able to get you more, but that’s $20 million,” Turner said. “Your life just changed for your kids completely.”

The Trail Blazers had cautioned that they would be talking to other free agents that night and would sign the first who called back agreeing to an offer.

Turner learned from other sources throughout the evening that the Trail Blazers were not bluffing.

Jones needed a couple of minutes. He had decided to listen to pitches at the hotel rather than at his residence because he wanted a quiet spot to contemplate with his team.

Now he had left the room and ventured outside for some fresh air and to consult with his father over the telephone.

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Minutes ticked. Turner was antsy. He worried that the Portland deal could slip away.

Where we at? Turner texted.

Lock it in. Portland. Jones responded.

Good call. Come up. We’ve got to call them.

On my way.

Turner called the Timberwolves back, asking if their offer could be raised and, if not, to inform them, as a courtesy, that Jones would be headed elsewhere.

Once Jones returned to the room, Turner called the Trail Blazers.

“All right, DJ has something to tell you,” he said.

Jones looked down, grinned and said, “I’m coming to Portland.”
 
I was looking at some of Jones’ numbers, and in his last g league stint in 2017/18, he shot 34% from three, on 5 attempts a game. Last year, he improved his free throw shooting by nearly 20% (77%) Maybe its just a matter of consistency (opportunity) rather than a lack of ability.

Remember, Aminu was a sub 30% shooter when he signed with Portland averaging about 2 attempts a game, then never shot below 33% or attempted fewer than 3.5 again. If Jones can hover around that figure, he’s gonna be big time, because he brings more off the ball than Aminu did, imo.
 
If DJJ really flourishes what is most we can sign him for?

I think its 120% of salary for 4 years as nonbird free agent, so starting around 12 mil... maybe 55 ish million over 4 years?

Would hate for him to be a phenomenal starter and we don't have the cap means to retain him. All very unlikely I know, but interesting to think about.
 
If DJJ really flourishes what is most we can sign him for?

I think its 120% of salary for 4 years as nonbird free agent, so starting around 12 mil... maybe 55 ish million over 4 years?

Would hate for him to be a phenomenal starter and we don't have the cap means to retain him. All very unlikely I know, but interesting to think about.

if jones flourishes and everyone else just has their standard season, we’re winning the championship lol. And if we win a championship, they could bring back Evan Turner on a max and I wouldnt care.

but yeah, I’m hoping he balls out and they figure the rest out later. I’ve found that most guys that flourish in Portland aren’t in a rush to leave. Jones’ personality seems like a fit.
 
If DJJ really flourishes what is most we can sign him for?

I think its 120% of salary for 4 years as nonbird free agent, so starting around 12 mil... maybe 55 ish million over 4 years?

Would hate for him to be a phenomenal starter and we don't have the cap means to retain him. All very unlikely I know, but interesting to think about.

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if he opts out next off-season, then yes, non-bird starting at about 11.1 M. That would be a 4 year base of 44.4M. 5% raises so about 3.3M in raises. So then, it would be about 4-year/47.4M.....a shade under 12M/year, if all the math is right

if he opts in next summer, then he'd be early-Bird the following summer and his max 1st year would be 175% of previous salary....around 16.57M. He'd be eligible for 8% raises. A 4 year base of 66.3M + 7.95M in raises. So then a 4-year/74.2M max contract

if he opts out next summer, he'd be UFA at the same time Trent and Collins will be RFA. If he opts out the following summer, he'd be UFA at the same time Nurkic, Covington, and Hood would be UFA and Simons would be RFA. That would be an interesting off-season
 
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if he opts out next off-season, then yes, non-bird starting at about 11.1 M. That would be a 4 year base of 44.4M. 5% raises so about 3.3M in raises. So then, it would be about 4-year/47.4M.....a shade under 12M/year, if all the math is right

if he opts in next summer, then he'd be early-Bird the following summer and his max 1st year would be 175% of previous salary....around 16.57M. He'd be eligible for 8% raises. A 4 year base of 66.3M + 7.95M in raises. So then a 4-year/74.2M max contract

if he opts out next summer, he'd be UFA at the same time Trent and Collins will be RFA. If he opts out the following summer, he'd be UFA at the same time Nurkic, Covington, and Hood would be UFA and Simons would be RFA. That would be an interesting off-season

When can we give Nurk an extension?
 
If DJJ really flourishes what is most we can sign him for?

I think its 120% of salary for 4 years as nonbird free agent, so starting around 12 mil... maybe 55 ish million over 4 years?

Would hate for him to be a phenomenal starter and we don't have the cap means to retain him. All very unlikely I know, but interesting to think about.

Why would he want a year two option? Its all about the money, we may have choices to make after next year as other players are playing for contacts.
 
That article....

We were bidding against the Kings and the Wolves, and it sounds like he chose us mainly because our offer was more money than the Wolves offer.

Wonder who else we were talking to and if we committed too early.

I hope there's some truth to his ball handling ability, because the last two guys they gave that freedom to (Hezonja and Aminu) did not live up to expectations.
 
Turner preached confidence to Jones about his market value based on analytics.

What analytics? Must be defensive analytics that is not available publically (or free). Because his offensive analytics make him look like a center....
 
Although I found this signing a bit mysterious, I think that he's being signed as much as a trade chip as anything. Think of it as like all those PFs the Knicks signed last year - it was a way of turning cap space into flippable assets.
 
That article....

We were bidding against the Kings and the Wolves, and it sounds like he chose us mainly because our offer was more money than the Wolves offer.

Wonder who else we were talking to and if we committed too early.

I hope there's some truth to his ball handling ability, because the last two guys they gave that freedom to (Hezonja and Aminu) did not live up to expectations.
Didnt he say in the Blazer interview he will start at the 3?
 
Didnt he say in the Blazer interview he will start at the 3?
No...he said he could play the 3 4 or 2...whatever the team needed him to do...he also said he chose Portland because he thought he and RoCo would put Portland over the top with defense
 
But is that a screen to get him out of there or like you said, a screen to make him go there?
You are correct.

The picture above is just a PnR screen, this isn't even a picture of a time the Lakers were halfcourt trapping (which is what we were originally talking about). The screen is being set in a place where if needed, Dame has multiple relief dribbles avialable to him, not right at the half-court corner as described. Nurk is almost certainly being coached to screen Caruso this direction based off the way he is defending Dame. A good screen here should wipe Caruso out of the play for 1-2 steps, allowing Dame to attack Howard 25-30ft from the hoop, which is not playing to Howard's strengths.

To me, this screen shot is not a reaction to a half court trap, and therefore has nothing to do with what we were discussing. This could be used in a discussion about where to set on ball screens. Obviously two very different scenarios.
It's literally a screen where, if Dame uses it, would put Dame into the trap at the sideline close to halfcourt. If he uses it, CJ is the only outlet option near halfcourt, across the court. Dame cant even reject the screen either because his defender steps up to take that away with the screen coming to his left. Dames only relief is to try to back dribble into the halfcourt corner, swing a pass across the court to CJ who's 40ft away from the rim, or throw to Nurkic who will have CJs man sagging on him since CJ isnt in position to threaten, and Nurkic wont be in a position to do anything productive because he's out beyond the 3pt line with a guard digging at him. Its stupid.

And this example wasnt the most extreme, as it was a bit lower than other possessions. Either way, it's a terrible setup against the trap. You're not freeing Dame up with that screen, you're pinning him against the sideline with two defenders on him, and he doesnt have optimal outlets that could then attack the scrambling defense. We did this a TON.
 
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if he opts out next off-season, then yes, non-bird starting at about 11.1 M. That would be a 4 year base of 44.4M. 5% raises so about 3.3M in raises. So then, it would be about 4-year/47.4M.....a shade under 12M/year, if all the math is right

if he opts in next summer, then he'd be early-Bird the following summer and his max 1st year would be 175% of previous salary....around 16.57M. He'd be eligible for 8% raises. A 4 year base of 66.3M + 7.95M in raises. So then a 4-year/74.2M max contract

if he opts out next summer, he'd be UFA at the same time Trent and Collins will be RFA. If he opts out the following summer, he'd be UFA at the same time Nurkic, Covington, and Hood would be UFA and Simons would be RFA. That would be an interesting off-season
so in other words, the next two years are absolutely crucial for the Trail Blazers, and in 2022 we could lose Nurkic, Covington, Hood, and even Trent if he takes the QO (i know unlikely but it could happen)
 
I don't know if things going change on offense especially with the 1st unit. Dame and CJ going take the most shots then Nurk there 3 main scores on the 1st unit. Covington will the 4th option and if Jones starts he will be the 5 option. So if people believes things going change its not with the 1st unit. Now the 2nd unit you just might see more of a team basketball on offense. If you want to see different type of basketball with 1st unit then one our guards going to have be traded.
 
That's what Neil said.

Not saying you're wrong, but I listened to ths presser twice and I didn't catch where he said DJJ was starting. Can you timestamp when he said that? I thought he did say something about DJJ and Covington being interchangeable.
 

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