Did we draft the wrong Collins?

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We should have drafted ...

  • Zach Collins

    Votes: 11 44.0%

  • John Collins

    Votes: 8 32.0%

  • Phil Collins

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • Colin Firth

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    25
Stevenson

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Before the draft last year, there was a lot of talk that we were going to draft John Collins. But we traded two picks to pick Zach Collins at 10. John Collins went to Atlanta at 19.

John Collins is averaging 19 pts and about 10 rebs a game.

Seems to me we sure could use a beast PF right about now.

Thanks Olshey.
 
We cant have the more NBA ready PF that plays terrible defense and puts up numbers on a bad team. Dammmmit!
 
Stevenson said:
Before the draft last year, there was a lot of talk that we were going to draft John Collins. But we traded two picks to pick Zach Collins at 10. John Collins went to Atlanta at 19.

John Collins is averaging 19 pts and about 10 rebs a game.

Seems to me we sure could use a beast PF right about now.

Thanks Olshey.
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As I said elsewhere, John was a player, Zach was a project. Not so much the wrong player as the wrong priorities. John would have helped the team, but Zach might have made Olshey look smart.

Even if Olshey was right about Zach's potential (increasingly questionable), the current coaching staff shows no sign of unlocking it.
 
maybe, but Zach has a good defensive foundation already and it might be easier to develop offense than develop defense. Of course, I haven't seen enough of John Collins to know about his defense. But yeah, his offense looks pretty good. He's sporting a 20.6 PER and a 62.7% TS%. Those are impressive numbers, and he's a much better rebounder than Zach

I think the perfect draft could have been Portland staying where they were, drafting John Collins at 15, Kyle Kuzma at 20 (or OG Anunoby), and Josh Hart at 26. Jarret Allen at #22 is looking fairly solid as a C too

of course, that would be a perfect world and if that was a case I wouldn't have 2 ex-wives, wouldn't be near-sighted, and I'd have about 10 million in the bank

back to the real world, I'm not as big a fan of Zach as many are but he looks like he's going to be a pretty solid player if he can build his core strength and develop a better shooting stroke. Not sure that will happen under Stotts though

KeepOnRollin said:
John Collins is the 1st option on a tanking team. Zach Collins is what, at best, 4th in the pecking order for shots for us? John would not be putting up those numbers for us.
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that cuts both ways though. If Collins is 1st option then he is facing 1st option defensive resistance every night and posting extremely efficient numbers. His TS% is nearly 63%...that's real impressive, and he's only a couple of months older than Zach
 
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Five Second Violation said:
I feel it in the air tonight as well. And once that comes to fruition, it will be another day in paradise for the Blazers.
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I'm convinced Zach will prove @Stevenson wrong next year as our starting PF when Aminu gets paid this offseason from another team.
 
wizenheimer said:
maybe, but Zach has a good defensive foundation already and it might be easier to develop offense than develop defense. Of course, I haven't seen enough of John Collins to know about his defense. But yeah, his offense looks pretty good. He's sporting a 20.6 PER and a 62.7% TS%. Those are impressive numbers, and he's a much better rebounder than Zach

I think the perfect draft could have been Portland staying where they were, drafting John Collins at 15, Kyle Kuzma at 20 (or OG Anunoby), and Josh Hart at 26. Jarret Allen at #22 is looking fairly solid as a C too

of course, that would be a perfect world and if that was a case I wouldn't have 2 ex-wives, wouldn't be near-sighted, and I'd have about 10 million in the bank

back to the real world, I'm not as big a fan of Zach as many are but he looks like he's going to be a pretty solid player if he can build his core strength and develop a better shooting stroke. Not sure that will happen under Stotts though



that cuts both ways though. If Collins is 1st option then he is facing 1st option defensive resistance every night and posting extremely efficient numbers. His TS% is nearly 63%...that's real impressive, and he's only a couple of months older than Zach
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John has only played 15 games this year so far too. Zach got off to a hot start and had a higher TS% and PER at least through the first 10 games or so.
 
We definitely drafted the correct Collins.

He's not being assertive and passing up open shots. He has zero rhythm right now.

Meyers' habits really are rubbing off on him, unfortunately.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
John Collins is the 1st option on a tanking team. Zach Collins is what, at best, 4th in the pecking order for shots for us? John would not be putting up those numbers for us.
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Where have I seen Zach as the number 1 option...? Oh yeah, Summer League. Overwhelming dominant? I would say, not really. Zach might end up to be alright in the 2020s, but people have to at least admit there's no comparison at this point, when we need production. But at least we ended up with the better Curry!
 
Woulda coulda shoulda.

Not.

We were not in need of more offense when we picked zach. We needed a defensive presence and he has brought that so far.
 
John Collins would have about the same stats as of Zach if John play with us. Due to 2 different scheme that both teams play. John offense opportunity wouldn't be there with us as it in Atlanta. Only stat I see John might be better rebounder than Zach. I see Zach not be all star player but a guy that score between 12-14 points a game 7-8 a night and blocked 1-2 and steady defense.
 
Zach is not even close to reaching his potential but you'd be hard pressed to find any differences right now between Zach Collins and Maxi Kleber. Clones.

And I like Kleber. He's a sneaky good trade target.
 
John Collins
December Game Logs
3rd - 24/11
5th - 26/14
8th - 30/12
12th - 20/17
14th - 11/14
16th - 29/8
18th - 20/13
21st - 17/16
26th - 21/11

.......
 
Labinot41 said:
John Collins
December Game Logs
3rd - 24/11
5th - 26/14
8th - 30/12
12th - 20/17
14th - 11/14
16th - 29/8
18th - 20/13
21st - 17/16
26th - 21/11

.......
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And Atlanta is 11-25. Dont know how their careers will play out but Atlanta is in rebuild mode playing young guys a lot of minutes. Zachs on a team that thinks they can compete now and are not at all showcasing young guys.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
And Atlanta is 11-25. Dont know how their careers will play out but Atlanta is in rebuild mode playing young guys a lot of minutes. Zachs on a team that thinks they can compete now and are not at all showcasing young guys.
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lol this narrative again. If Zach had game, he'd play more. He's been given plenty of opportunity as is. Meyers is so much better this year.

I can't believe these poll results. People just sleepin on John.
 
yuyuza1 said:
lol this narrative again. If Zach had game, he'd play more. He's been given plenty of opportunity as is. Meyers is so much better this year.

I can't believe these poll results. People just sleepin on John.
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Well it's not so much about the minutes as much as ATL plays through John a ton because they believe he's there future or a major piece of it with T. Young. I just think the situations are pretty different. Also, they're drastically different players. John is a way better scorer and rebounder at this point. Zach is much better on Defense. I haven't actually voted yet as I think it's kind of too early to know with either one.
 
Zach occasionally shows good potential as a fairly one-dimensional, defensive player. John may not have that level of defense but seems to have a more well-rounded game. Sure, John is playing more time on a bad team but I can't imagine Zach putting up anywhere close to those numbers even were he given that amount of playing time.

Sadly, we are often like Olshey and are overly "in-love" with our guys. We are continually afraid to have another Jermaine O'Neal mistake.

Is Zach a bust? No, but neither do I think he will be a breakout player. I picture him having a decent role-playing career. I have no qualms about sending him away in the right trade.

Gramps...
 
For years a laughing stock, Brooklyn this season has mysteriously improved to just under .500.

Ed Davis, one of their best players, is averaging

EDIT: Sorry! I thought I was in the Around the NBA: January thread.
 
jlprk said:
For years a laughing stock, Brooklyn this season has mysteriously improved to just under .500.

Ed Davis, one of their best players, is averaging

EDIT: Sorry! I thought I was in the Around the NBA: January thread.
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Yeah it's definitely not because Jarrett Allen or Spencer Dinwiddie improved a lot, it's because of their backup C.

Yawn.
 
If John Collins was on our team he wouldn't have those numbers. Zach coming along just fine in his development. He be up and down probably the rest of the year. But as long he continued to play defense and get some rebounds I find with that at his stage in development. Me any points he get right is a bonus.
 
I voted for Phil Collins, cause he brings it "Against All Odds". Just sayin'.
 
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