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Ghost of Jason Collins

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Mavs superstar Dirk Nowitzki said he's afraid of a fractured locker room and appeared to take a shot at George, saying in Europe this would never happen.

"Over here it's not promoted as a team sport the way it is in Europe," Nowitzki said. "Here it's always individually based. Devean is looking out for himself. That's what you're used to over here."</div>
 
Shut up, Dirk. This isn't over there, this is America. Your idiot organization gave George the right to a no-trade clause, so he had every right to use it. He was looking out for his personal interest. It's the common theory of social Darwinism, survival of the fittest. George was looking out for himself, good for him for doing it. If the Mavericks wanted Kidd that bad, I'm sure they could easily string together another deal.
 
Hey Dirk, it's not a sure thing that your team will be significantly better with Kidd anyway.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 17 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shut up, Dirk. This isn't over there, this is America. Your idiot organization gave George the right to a no-trade clause, so he had every right to use it. He was looking out for his personal interest. It's the common theory of social Darwinism, survival of the fittest. George was looking out for himself, good for him for doing it. If the Mavericks wanted Kidd that bad, I'm sure they could easily string together another deal.</div>
Can't say I blame Dirk for being vocal...also it helps me keep hope that we''l work this out...
No way they can do anything in the playoffs with a lockeroom that's obviously fractured.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 17 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shut up, Dirk. This isn't over there, this is America. Your idiot organization gave George the right to a no-trade clause, so he had every right to use it. He was looking out for his personal interest. It's the common theory of social Darwinism, survival of the fittest. George was looking out for himself, good for him for doing it. If the Mavericks wanted Kidd that bad, I'm sure they could easily string together another deal.</div>

To be an effective team, self motivation some times needs to take a back seat. Nothing wrong with a team leader stating as much.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 17 2008, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 17 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shut up, Dirk. This isn't over there, this is America. Your idiot organization gave George the right to a no-trade clause, so he had every right to use it. He was looking out for his personal interest. It's the common theory of social Darwinism, survival of the fittest. George was looking out for himself, good for him for doing it. If the Mavericks wanted Kidd that bad, I'm sure they could easily string together another deal.</div>
Can't say I blame Dirk for being vocal...also it helps me keep hope that we''l work this out...
No way they can do anything in the playoffs with a lockeroom that's obviously fractured.
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I TOTALLY agree with Black Mamba. Dirk is the last person who should be vocal or point any fingers. This is the same guy who punked out of the finals and the so call MVP who was bullied by Captain Jack last year.

This team has been coming up short for a while and this has been way before the George situation. So fractured or not this team has had problems.

As BM said if they wanted this trade to happen it will but it seems like things are not going well.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 17 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shut up, Dirk. This isn't over there, this is America. Your idiot organization gave George the right to a no-trade clause, so he had every right to use it. He was looking out for his personal interest. It's the common theory of social Darwinism, survival of the fittest. George was looking out for himself, good for him for doing it. If the Mavericks wanted Kidd that bad, I'm sure they could easily string together another deal.</div>
Actually Dirk is doing the right thing. 11 guys in that locker room are ringless and want to get better while George has the rings but is worried about his money more than his team. It's not a no trade clause for the 100 times, it is bird rights.

If he was concerned with winning so much we could easily ship him off right away to a Golden State or someone else for cheap.
 
Well, Dirk can speak out about it, but he isn't doing the situation any better. If anything, he's fracturing the locker room more. George had a contractual right to use his clause, and he did.

Dirk needs to realize that, and keep his mouth shut about it...as the leader of this team. He needs to talk to Cuban and see if there is any other way to get Kidd, because I'm sure there is.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 17 2008, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, Dirk can speak out about it, but he isn't doing the situation any better. If anything, he's fracturing the locker room more. George had a contractual right to use his clause, and he did.

Dirk needs to realize that, and keep his mouth shut about it...as the leader of this team. He needs to talk to Cuban and see if there is any other way to get Kidd, because I'm sure there is.</div>
As the leader, maybe he had a talk with the team and this is their nudge to George that the door is open.

There is other ways to get Kidd but this was the deal that both teams agreed too.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 17 2008, 01:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shut up, Dirk. This isn't over there, this is America. Your idiot organization gave George the right to a no-trade clause, so he had every right to use it. He was looking out for his personal interest. It's the common theory of social Darwinism, survival of the fittest. George was looking out for himself, good for him for doing it. If the Mavericks wanted Kidd that bad, I'm sure they could easily string together another deal.</div>
Actually Dirk is doing the right thing. 11 guys in that locker room are ringless and want to get better while George has the rings but is worried about his money more than his team. It's not a no trade clause for the 100 times, it is bird rights.

If he was concerned with winning so much we could easily ship him off right away to a Golden State or someone else for cheap.
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There is nothing wrong with George doing what's best for himself. The same way it's nothing wrong with Mavs doing what's best for the organization. Sure it doesn't make sense but it's his right and he has the right to it.

Plus there is a reason that those guys in the locker room are ring less. I notice something about Dirk. He likes to a lot of talking but can't seem to ever back it up. I remember him going off at Terry in 2005 playoffs against the Suns. He was upset that Nash was out playing Terry.


Now this is the same guy that said they gave away the Championship to the Heat. D Wade comments is exactly true about Dirk.

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">"Dirk said that they gave us the championship last year," Wade told the Palm Beach Post:. "But he's the reason they lost the championship because he wasn't the leader he's supposed to be in the closing moments."</span>

My point he hasn't been much of a leader so why should he start now??
 
What both teams agreed to is irrelevant because George has the power to veto the trade. They could've agreed to the biggest trade in league history, and if it wasn't in George's best interest...then he has every right to reject it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 17 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What both teams agreed to is irrelevant because George has the power to veto the trade. They could've agreed to the biggest trade in league history, and if it wasn't in George's best interest...then he has every right to reject it.</div>
When you are not wanted on the team anymore is a good sign to pack it up.
 
Who says he isn't wanted? Because Dirk came out and said something? They're not idiots on the team, they understand George's situation.
 
Why should George care about whether his former employer is improving itself or not?

"Taking one for the team" doesn't really work if you're not part of the team anymore.
 
Blocking the trade does not benefit George unless he improves his stock between now and the end of the season.

That's unlikely if his teammates, bosses and the fans all hate him.

It's also unlikely because he sucks and he's playing like shit.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Feb 17 2008, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who says he isn't wanted? Because Dirk came out and said something? They're not idiots on the team, they understand George's situation.</div>
Well, when you don't play and you are traded, it's sometimes a sign of not wanted.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 17 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Blocking the trade does not benefit George unless he improves his stock between now and the end of the season.

That's unlikely if his teammates, bosses and the fans all hate him.

It's also unlikely because he sucks and he's playing like shit.</div>


True it doesn't make sense but he still has a right to do it but the deal seems to be dead and either way George will be the scape goat if the Mavs come up short again in the playoffs.

Dirk should actually thank George. For the last two years fingers have pointed at him. The Mavs were not winning a championship this year with or without Kidd but at least now when they do get knock out they can blame George for distracting the team.

Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div>

Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 17 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Blocking the trade does not benefit George unless he improves his stock between now and the end of the season.

That's unlikely if his teammates, bosses and the fans all hate him.

It's also unlikely because he sucks and he's playing like shit.</div>


True it doesn't make sense but he still has a right to do it but the deal seems to be dead and either way George will be the scape goat if the Mavs come up short again in the playoffs.

Dirk should actually thank George. For the last two years fingers have pointed at him. The Mavs were not winning a championship this year with or without Kidd but at least now when they do get knock out they can blame George for distracting the team.

Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??
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He'll be a hero. It's probably what he's fantasizing about.

Unfortunately it won't happen because

1. The Mavericks are not going to win doodly dick.

2. He sucks.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div>

Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then.
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HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP.

Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div>

Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then.
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HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP.

Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again
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Well yes and no. He cannot lead a team but Jason Kidd can and he's stopping that from happening.
 
Devean George sucks, is greedy, and is extremely dumb; and deserves any "sniping" that anyone dishes out to him.


And I don't get how Dirk gets lashing for "fracturing" the locker room, but George gets a fucking round of applause, for doing it multiple times.

Fuck Devean George. He wanted to be traded a couple weeks ago. What the hell is up with him flip-flopping with that bullshit? You know what? He sucks, and should get that POS "no-trade clause" BS taken away for being a douche bag.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div>

Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then.
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HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP.

Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again
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Well yes and no. He cannot lead a team but Jason Kidd can and he's stopping that from happening.
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wow just wow. The player that has been their for how long is unable to lead his team but a player coming from another team is able to lead better???

Sounds like the problem isn't just George. Also Jason Kidd is not leading this team to a championship. Maybe if the Gasol and Shaq trade didn't happen but since they have. The Kidd trade is a big trade but not big enough to make a difference now.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 17 2008, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Devean George sucks, is greedy, and is extremely dumb; and deserves any "sniping" that anyone dishes out to him.


And I don't get how Dirk gets lashing for "fracturing" the locker room, but George gets a ****ing round of applause, for doing it multiple times.

**** Devean George. He wanted to be traded a couple weeks ago. What the hell is up with him flip-flopping with that bullshit? You know what? He sucks, and should get that POS "no-trade clause" BS taken away for being a douche bag.</div>


Seems like your very emotional involved into this. I don't agree with what George is doing but I can't fault him it his to do it. Just because I don't agree or understand it means I can say duke is wrong or this and that. It's his option he can do what he wants.

My point is who is Dirk to say this or that. People can say George is holding this team back but Dirk hasn't really been helping the team rise when they needed him the most.

No one is giving him a round of applause. As Kenny Reggie and Magic have said he has the right to what's best for him as the Mavs has the right to do what's best the Organization. They didn't agree with why but they acknowledge he has the right to do it.

If this trade is meant to happen it will.

Also what George is doing is no different than what Kidd has been doing for the last couple months. Looking out for numero uno
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Score it as a dubious block
Move by a Maverick is difficult to defend

February 17, 2008
You really have to wonder what Devean George is thinking. How, exactly, is he watching out for his best interests by making himself persona non grata in Dallas and a league laughingstock just about everywhere else?

Yes, he had every right to do what he did. But that only becomes pertinent if there's a logical, rational reason for doing what he did. Frankly, there isn't. The next person to defend George for doing the sensible thing by blocking the trade to the Nets will be the first.

Basically, by exercising his right not to be traded, George is holding on to the hope - some might say delusion - that there's a team out there that will pay him more than the mid-level exception when he becomes a free agent this summer. This from a guy who signed for $2.369 million this season. Had he agreed to the trade, he would have surrendered the right to a huge payday and could not be re-signed by the Mavericks for anything more than the mid-level, currently around $5.35 million.

Vladimir Radmanovic went through a similar situation when he was with Seattle. He OK'd a trade to the Clippers, but in doing so, forfeited his rights to get a huge contract when he next signed. He ended up getting the full mid-level from the Lakers in free agency. And most would consider him a better player than George. In other words, you would have a hard time finding a team to pay George even the mid-level, as evidenced by what he's now making.

It might be easy to point the finger at the Mavericks or Nets for not recognizing this peculiar (but not all that unfamiliar) part of George's deal. You have to think they knew about it - and probably had a good chuckle over that particular clause torpedoing the deal.

And what is George's agent, Mark Bartelstein, thinking? Other than trying to extract a little extra dough? He already got George a 15 percent trade kicker (which he gets for many of his clients; even Scot Pollard has one). His advice should be obvious: Go to Jersey, kid, and make the most out of it.

Clearly, George can't stay in Dallas, where he is sure to be killed in print and over the air every time Jason Terry throws a pass into the loge section. (George went 0 for 11 in his first game after the trade fell through.) The prospect of getting Jason Kidd to go along with Dirk Nowitzki, Josh Howard, and Terry has many Mavericks fans drooling (although some are lamenting the loss of Devin Harris) and would add some much-needed toughness and grit to the team.

As Kobe Bryant put it, "Dallas won 67 games last year. An opportunity to get a player like Jason is too good to pass up."

You may recall that Bryant threw a williwaw last year when the Lakers wouldn't part with Andrew Bynum as part of the package to get Kidd to Los Angeles. While Bynum has made a quantum leap this season, that has in no way diminished Bryant's ardor for Kidd, whom he knows he'll never see in a Lakers uniform now.

"Jason Kidd is one of the greatest point guards of all time," Bryant said. "Why wouldn't you do that deal?"</div>

continued here http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/ar..._dubious_block/

oh, and how many championships has kobe 'lead' his team to?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 17 2008, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Devean George sucks, is greedy, and is extremely dumb; and deserves any "sniping" that anyone dishes out to him.


And I don't get how Dirk gets lashing for "fracturing" the locker room, but George gets a ****ing round of applause, for doing it multiple times.

**** Devean George. He wanted to be traded a couple weeks ago. What the hell is up with him flip-flopping with that bullshit? You know what? He sucks, and should get that POS "no-trade clause" BS taken away for being a douche bag.</div>


Seems like your very emotional involved into this. I don't agree with what George is doing but I can't fault him it his to do it. Just because I don't agree or understand it means I can say duke is wrong or this and that. It's his option he can do what he wants.

My point is who is Dirk to say this or that. People can say George is holding this team back but Dirk hasn't really been helping the team rise when they needed him the most.

No one is giving him a round of applause. As Kenny Reggie and Magic have said he has the right to what's best for him as the Mavs has the right to do what's best the Organization. They didn't agree with why but they acknowledge he has the right to do it.

If this trade is meant to happen it will.

Also what George is doing is no different than what Kidd has been doing for the last couple months. Looking out for numero uno
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Which is why I want Kidd to get the hell outta here. I'm thinking about the Nets when I'm getting pissed at George. I wanted them to get the best deal possible for Kidd, and IMO, that's what they would've gotten from Dallas.

Oh, and I didn't realize you didn't agree with it, haha. I guess I was just assuming that based on what you were saying.

IMO what's best for Devean George would be a trade to New Jersey, for one reason or another. I mean, for one, they could just waive him or buy him out, and he could sign with a contending team. For another thing, he'd probably get more PT in Jersey than in Dallas if he stayed. I really don't think George knows what he's doing.

He is definitely hurting the team's chance at a championship, and really killing their chemistry.
 
No way he gets more PT in NJ. NJ has RJ and Nachbar/Mike Miller (if the trade happened) in front of him.

Plus, I think he just doesn't want to goto NJ. He's been on a contending team his whole career. Probably thinks he's too good to be a part of a rebuilding effort, especially on a different coast.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 17 2008, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 17 2008, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Devean George sucks, is greedy, and is extremely dumb; and deserves any "sniping" that anyone dishes out to him.


And I don't get how Dirk gets lashing for "fracturing" the locker room, but George gets a ****ing round of applause, for doing it multiple times.

**** Devean George. He wanted to be traded a couple weeks ago. What the hell is up with him flip-flopping with that bullshit? You know what? He sucks, and should get that POS "no-trade clause" BS taken away for being a douche bag.</div>


Seems like your very emotional involved into this. I don't agree with what George is doing but I can't fault him it his to do it. Just because I don't agree or understand it means I can say duke is wrong or this and that. It's his option he can do what he wants.

My point is who is Dirk to say this or that. People can say George is holding this team back but Dirk hasn't really been helping the team rise when they needed him the most.

No one is giving him a round of applause. As Kenny Reggie and Magic have said he has the right to what's best for him as the Mavs has the right to do what's best the Organization. They didn't agree with why but they acknowledge he has the right to do it.

If this trade is meant to happen it will.

Also what George is doing is no different than what Kidd has been doing for the last couple months. Looking out for numero uno
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Which is why I want Kidd to get the hell outta here. I'm thinking about the Nets when I'm getting pissed at George. I wanted them to get the best deal possible for Kidd, and IMO, that's what they would've gotten from Dallas.

Oh, and I didn't realize you didn't agree with it, haha. I guess I was just assuming that based on what you were saying.

IMO what's best for Devean George would be a trade to New Jersey, for one reason or another. I mean, for one, they could just waive him or buy him out, and he could sign with a contending team. For another thing, he'd probably get more PT in Jersey than in Dallas if he stayed. I really don't think George knows what he's doing.

He is definitely hurting the team's chance at a championship, and really killing their chemistry.
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Then I totally understand where you are coming from. When I first heard the trade was blocked I was pissed as hell. I felt the Nets received a damn good deal but when I finally found out why I had to check myself. Sure I don't agree with George but I understand it his right. Though as many pointed out. He would do better displaying his skills on the Nets where he would get more playing time instead of the Mavs.

Unless he thinks he is really going to come up big in the playoffs ie: Tim Thomas. Does he feel it's better to display what you can do for a contender instead of a young team on the rise. It would make sense to show what he can do on a young team. That way teams needing a vet off the bench would see what George can do.


As I said I don't understand it. Kenny said something though. The world now knows who George is and if that's what he wanted he accomplish that. Also teams will know that he is the type of player who will look out for himself first.

He will be very disappointed in the off season
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Feb 17 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No way he gets more PT in NJ. NJ has RJ and Nachbar/Mike Miller (if the trade happened) in front of him.

Plus, I think he just doesn't want to goto NJ. He's been on a contending team his whole career. Probably thinks he's too good to be a part of a rebuilding effort, especially on a different coast.</div>

And if we don't get Mike Miller? It'd just be Boki on the bench next to him, along with Marcus and Darrell, who may play spot minutes at the 2. So he would definitely have to get minutes, unless we wanna play RJ and Carter more minutes than they'd be able to handle, and rarely play small-ball (which Frank loves to do). Plus, Frank loves the veterans.

Also, funny to see that he's too good to be a part of a rebuilding effort...when he definitely isn't good enough any more to play on a playoff-contending team.
 
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