Disgusting Lakers fans happy with Bynum's foul on Barea

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This guy get is

It wasn't necessary, even Kobe was disgusted by it look at how he reacts to it. The foul wasn't THAT bad, what magnifies it is the time it happened (after the game was out of reach, Odom was just ejected, and Lakers were obviously frustrated), and the fact that Barea is a tiny guy. Also seeing Barea laying their possibly injured from an obvious flagrant foul was pretty disgusting. What if somebody did that to Kobe after the game was out of reach? People would be calling for a year suspension.

It was obviously classless and dirty, Kobe did the right thing apologizing to Barea after the game. If you want to show passion SHOW IT IN THE GAME BY PLAYING HARDER.
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Why does that guy say hi kingspeed? I don't think I'm in that video, am I? Or its just cuz he saw the link here. That makes sense.
 
Andre Miller had a cheap shot on Blake Griffin this year, and some people here were defending him for it.
 
KingSpeed said:
Exactly. Yea, why doesn't Bynum learn how to block shots? More effective then elbowing a guy and getting ejected. And what's hilarious is that Barea still made the shot!
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He was 6th in the NBA in blocked shots this year. Cheap shot by Bynum, though.
 
PapaG said:
Andre Miller had a cheap shot on Blake Griffin this year, and some people here were defending him for it.
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It's weird that you keep defending Bynum for that. You posted yesterday that Maurice Lucas used to pull the same crap.

And to address your post, what Miller did was completely different but I'm sure you already know this.
 
PapaG said:
Andre Miller had a cheap shot on Blake Griffin this year, and some people here were defending him for it.
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Many differences:

1) Griffin had hit Miller twice prior to that shot. Barea hadn't done anything except play good basketball.

2) Griffin wasn't in the air when Miller delivered the shot.

3) The game was still in question. Bynum's foul came when they had already lost.

4) Barea is half the size of Bynum and could've been seriously hurt for no purpose except Bynum being a sore loser.
 
PapaG said:
Andre Miller had a cheap shot on Blake Griffin this year, and some people here were defending him for it.
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I think it's a stretch to call it a cheap shot. It was basically a hard foul...he ran into him and knocked him back. He didn't do anything dangerous, like undercut him or drive his elbow into a vulnerable area.
 
KingSpeed said:
Many differences:

1) Griffin had hit Miller twice prior to that shot. Barea hadn't done anything except play good basketball.

2) Griffin wasn't in the air when Miller delivered the shot.

3) The game was still in question. Bynum's foul came when they had already lost.

4) Barea is half the size of Bynum and could've been seriously hurt for no purpose except Bynum being a sore loser.
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A cheap shot is a cheap shot, and players get pushed in the back on almost every play.

I think Miller's shot on Griffin is even more dirty than Bynum's on Barea, simply because Griffin wasn't even involved in the play.


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PapaG said:
He was 6th in the NBA in blocked shots this year. Cheap shot by Bynum, though.
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Yes, but he couldn't block Barea so he hit the guy for no good reason. It would've been a little different if he did it at the start of the series. But just trying to hurt a guy when the series is done? Cowardly. He gets ejected and doesn't have to face Tyson Chandler laying a hurt on HIM.
 
Minstrel said:
I think it's a stretch to call it a cheap shot. It was basically a hard foul...he ran into him and knocked him back. He didn't do anything dangerous, like undercut him or drive his elbow into a vulnerable area.
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It's a stretch to call this a cheap shot? Blasting into a guy who isn't even looking at you isn't a cheap shot? I disagree.

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KingSpeed said:
Yes, but he couldn't block Barea so he hit the guy for no good reason. It would've been a little different if he did it at the start of the series. But just trying to hurt a guy when the series is done? Cowardly. He gets ejected and doesn't have to face Tyson Chandler laying a hurt on HIM.
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I agree, and I posted as such in another thread. The action doesn't bother me; the timing was cowardly, though.
 
PapaG said:
It's a stretch to call this a cheap shot? Blasting into a guy who isn't even looking at you isn't a cheap shot? I disagree.
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Yeah, we'll have to disagree. I re-watched it and still don't think it was a cheap shot. Knocking the guy down like that really didn't risk any injury. To me, a cheap shot is a move intended to hurt another player. Putting a guy on his ass cleanly (by "cleanly" I mean in a non-harmful way) is not intended to hurt and really had no chance of doing so. The sizes of the players make a significant difference. Miller knew he wasn't going to kill Griffin with that move (the way Shaq might have killed Earl Boykins, had those been the participants), just embarrass him and send a message.
 
Minstrel said:
Yeah, we'll have to disagree. I re-watched it and still don't think it was a cheap shot. Knocking the guy down like that really didn't risk any injury. To me, a cheap shot is a move intended to hurt another player. Putting a guy on his ass cleanly (by "cleanly" I mean in a non-harmful way) is not intended to hurt and really had no chance of doing so. The sizes of the players make a significant difference. Miller knew he wasn't going to kill Griffin with that move (the way Shaq might have killed Earl Boykins, had those been the participants), just embarrass him and send a message.
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Time to subtitle this thread "Disgusting Blazer Fan Defends Miller's Foul on Griffin". The NBA thought it was a cheap shot, too.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
10 day suspension and $20 fine for posting in and being a member of Lakersground!
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I think that's maybe my 3rd post ever in the main forum. Usually in the OT forum just talking about local LA crap.

taking it down from the inside. :MARIS61:
 
PapaG said:
Time to subtitle this thread "Disgusting Blazer Fan Defends Miller's Foul on Griffin". The NBA thought it was a cheap shot, too.
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The NBA thought it was an unnecessary shot. Whether it's "cheap" depends on what you consider a cheap shot. As I said, my definition of a cheap shot is a move intended to hurt someone else and Miller's knock-down of Griffin didn't remotely look intended to injure or hurt him.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I think that's maybe my 3rd post ever in the main forum. Usually in the OT forum just talking about local LA crap.

taking it down from the inside. :MARIS61:
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First you bet on the Lakers to win it all and now this.
 
Minstrel said:
The NBA thought it was an unnecessary shot. Whether it's "cheap" depends on what you consider a cheap shot. As I said, my definition of a cheap shot is a move intended to hurt someone else and Miller's knock-down of Griffin didn't remotely look intended to injure or hurt him.
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Yeah, you already said this. The NBA's suspension of Miller tells me it was more than just an "unnecessary" shot. We disagree. Also, was Bynum trying to hurt Barea, or just knock him down?
 
PapaG said:
Yeah, you already said this. The NBA's suspension of Miller tells me it was more than just an "unnecessary" shot. We disagree. Also, was Bynum trying to hurt Barea, or just knock him down?
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He sent Wallace to the hospital witha collapsed lung FOR THE EXACT SAME CHEAP SHOT! He knew what he was doing.
 
Minstrel said:
Yeah, we'll have to disagree. I re-watched it and still don't think it was a cheap shot. Knocking the guy down like that really didn't risk any injury. To me, a cheap shot is a move intended to hurt another player. Putting a guy on his ass cleanly (by "cleanly" I mean in a non-harmful way) is not intended to hurt and really had no chance of doing so. The sizes of the players make a significant difference. Miller knew he wasn't going to kill Griffin with that move (the way Shaq might have killed Earl Boykins, had those been the participants), just embarrass him and send a message.
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He clearly doesn't understand the difference between instigation and retaliation. Griffin pushed Miller from behind at one end, so Miller pushed Griffin from behind at the other. Griffin instigated. Miller retaliated. Tit for tat. Miller wasn't even called for a foul at the time, and neither was Griffin (big surprise, he pushes off and comes over the back on almost evey offensive rebound). There was no intent to injure anyone at either end. Griffin was pushing off to try to gain an advantage and Miller pushed off to send the message to the rookie that if you're going to shove me from behind, you're going to get the same thing right back.

Bynum's foul on Barea was totally different. Barea didn't instigate anything. Bynum did. The Lakers were losing by 32 in the 4th quarter and Bynum, out of frustration over losing the game and the series, took a cheap shot at a much smaller player in a very vulnerable position. As has been mentioned about 50 times in the last two days, Bynum did the same thing to Gerald Wallace and put him in the hospital with a collapsed lung. He also just recently did the exact same thing to Michael Beasley, which injured Beasley and caused him to leave the game. That was instigation, just like in the case with Barea. You simply don't do that. You don't undcercut a player when he's in midair and you don't nail him in the ribs with a forearm/elbow when he's extended and vulnerable. It is a very reckless play, magnified by the fact that he did it to a much smaller player, he did it out of frustration without even trying to make a play on the ball, and he has a history of this exact same type of reckless play.

Here's what Stu Jackson said after Bynum did the same thing to Michael Beasley less than two months ago:

“It was not a basketball play,” Jackson said in a phone interview with The Times. “There was a chance for Bynum to make a basketball play, but he led with his forearm on a play that was both dangerous and reckless because the player, [Michael] Beasley, was vulnerable in the air with no defense. The result of all of this was Beasley was injured and had to leave the game.

“We considered even going with three games, but we felt two was warranted here.”

For his third offense, I expect Bynum ot get at least 5 games, but given the circumstances 10 games would definitely be appropriate, and if Stern and Stu want Bynum to stop this behavior once and for all, a 20 game suspension without pay would send a very clear message.

BNM
 
PapaG said:
Yeah, you already said this.
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Thus the "As I said." :)

The NBA's suspension of Miller tells me it was more than just an "unnecessary" shot. We disagree.
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We do. The suspension of Miller tells me it was viewed as an unnecessary shot.

Also, was Bynum trying to hurt Barea, or just knock him down?
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Considering the size difference, the fact that Barea was in a vulnerable mid-air position and the fact that Bynum has already injured others doing this--I'd have to go with "trying to hurt."
 
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