Disgusting Lakers fans happy with Bynum's foul on Barea

[MickZagger]

A 100lb weight difference between Bynum and the fact that he was in air is just slightly different than what Miller did to Griffin. Basically it was sour grapes by Bynum because Barea penetrated the Lakers ass all series long. If it would of happened in meaningful time and not been such a blatant forearm while Barea was in the air off balance in a decided final game of the series I wouldn't have beef with it. But, it will forever be remembered as a black eye to Bynums reputation, mainly because the Lakers were getting their shit handed to them by about 30 points.

Its okay to be an enforcer, but there's a proper time and situation. If Bynum wants tip on how to be a good enforcer he should be studying players like Przybilla, Nick Collison or even Kendrick Perkins.

 

[Boob-No-More]

MOOBS!!!!!!

Jeezus, if you're a 23-year old professional athlete and look like that, you might want to think twice about removing your shirt on national TV.

BNM

 

[Rhal]

He clearly doesn't understand the difference between instigation and retaliation. Griffin pushed Miller from behind at one end, so Miller pushed Griffin from behind at the other. Griffin instigated. Miller retaliated. Tit for tat. Miller wasn't even called for a foul at the time, and neither was Griffin (big surprise, he pushes off and comes over the back on almost evey offensive rebound). There was no intent to injure anyone at either end. Griffin was pushing off to try to gain an advantage and Miller pushed off to send the message to the rookie that if you're going to shove me from behind, you're going to get the same thing right back.

Bynum's foul on Barea was totally different. Barea didn't instigate anything. Bynum did. The Lakers were losing by 32 in the 4th quarter and Bynum, out of frustration over losing the game and the series, took a cheap shot at a much smaller player in a very vulnerable position. As has been mentioned about 50 times in the last two days, Bynum did the same thing to Gerald Wallace and put him in the hospital with a collapsed lung. He also just recently did the exact same thing to Michael Beasley, which injured Beasley and caused him to leave the game. That was instigation, just like in the case with Barea. You simply don't do that. You don't undcercut a player when he's in midair and you don't nail him in the ribs with a forearm/elbow when he's extended and vulnerable. It is a very reckless play, magnified by the fact that he did it to a much smaller player, he did it out of frustration without even trying to make a play on the ball, and he has a history of this exact same type of reckless play.

Here's what Stu Jackson said after Bynum did the same thing to Michael Beasley less than two months ago:

“It was not a basketball play,” Jackson said in a phone interview with The Times. “There was a chance for Bynum to make a basketball play, but he led with his forearm on a play that was both dangerous and reckless because the player, [Michael] Beasley, was vulnerable in the air with no defense. The result of all of this was Beasley was injured and had to leave the game.

“We considered even going with three games, but we felt two was warranted here.”

For his third offense, I expect Bynum ot get at least 5 games, but given the circumstances 10 games would definitely be appropriate, and if Stern and Stu want Bynum to stop this behavior once and for all, a 20 game suspension without pay would send a very clear message.

BNM

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I don't know how PapaG can think Millers foul was worse and that the Bynum foul wasn't that bad. When you put someones career at risk with fouls like that when the game is already decided and your pissed it shows a lack of characters. In the 80's this was acceptable basketball but the last 10+ years they have been cleaning the league up, this isn't the 80's this is 2011 a different era of basketball were that shit isn't tolerated.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think it's a stretch to call it a cheap shot. It was basically a hard foul...he ran into him and knocked him back. He didn't do anything dangerous, like undercut him or drive his elbow into a vulnerable area.

It was a 100% cheap shot and intended to be that as well. He made no attempt at the ball and hit him right under the arm pit in the ribs. That's how you hit someone to collapse their lung. And he also did it long after the game and series was decided. No offense, Minstrel, but to not call it a cheap shot is way out there.

 

[Minstrel]

It was a 100% cheap shot and intended to be that as well. He made no attempt at the ball and hit him right under the arm pit in the ribs. That's how you hit someone to collapse their lung. And he also did it long after the game and series was decided.

What series? Are you talking about Bynum or Miller? My post was about Andre Miller and that was obviously not part of any "series."

If you are referring to the Miller incident, I think saying "That's how you hit someone to collapse their lung" is far more "out there" than my saying it wasn't a cheap shot. It was excessive and unnecessary (as far as the game goes), but since my definition of cheap shot revolves around plausible intent to hurt someone with dangerous play, it doesn't qualify as a cheap shot in my opinion.

 

[KingSpeed]

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I don't know how PapaG can think Millers foul was worse and that the Bynum foul wasn't that bad. When you put someones career at risk with fouls like that when the game is already decided and your pissed it shows a lack of characters. In the 80's this was acceptable basketball but the last 10+ years they have been cleaning the league up, this isn't the 80's this is 2011 a different era of basketball were that shit isn't tolerated.

Even in the 80s, you don't do it when you're down 30 and being swept. You do it in the first play of the series to send a message that it is not safe to come into the paint. Still dirty but a completely different context and intent.

 

[KingSpeed]

What series? Are you talking about Bynum or Miller? My post was about Andre Miller and that was obviously not part of any "series."

If you are referring to the Miller incident, I think saying "That's how you hit someone to collapse their lung" is far more "out there" than my saying it wasn't a cheap shot. It was excessive and unnecessary (as far as the game goes), but since my definition of cheap shot revolves around plausible intent to hurt someone with dangerous play, it doesn't qualify as a cheap shot in my opinion.

BlazerProphet is confused and thought you were talking about Bynum.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i doubt there is anyone AT ALL that would agree with papag, except maybe a laker fan. miller pushed a player twice his size, vagynum fucking elbow slammed a player half his size.

lol wtf man, you slippin

 

[PapaG]

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I don't know how PapaG can think Millers foul was worse and that the Bynum foul wasn't that bad. When you put someones career at risk with fouls like that when the game is already decided and your pissed it shows a lack of characters. In the 80's this was acceptable basketball but the last 10+ years they have been cleaning the league up, this isn't the 80's this is 2011 a different era of basketball were that shit isn't tolerated.

Neither do I, since I never said Miller's foul was worse than Bynum. I think Bynum's is much worse, based on when it occurred. Had he done it in Game 2 to send a message, I would then think that Miller's foul was worse. Making stuff up is fun, though, so have a ball!

Also, Miller knocked Griffin a good 10' to the ground, so saying that Griffin couldn't have been potentially injured is laughable. Regardless, of the two cheap shots, Bynum's was much, much more bush league.

 

[PapaG]

i doubt there is anyone AT ALL that would agree with papag, except maybe a laker fan. miller pushed a player twice his size, vagynum fucking elbow slammed a player half his size.

lol wtf man, you slippin

Agree with what? An imaginary opinion that I supposedly hold that Miller's shove is worse than Bynum's cheap shot? This is what happens when posters like BoobNoMore writes an essay arguing something that I never said, and then a poster takes BoobNoMore's smear of me as some sort of truth.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

lol "potentially injured"

you could say that about pretty much any contact ever made. pure comedy.

but you said yourself that bynums foul was much worse, so i guess you agree with everyone, you only think millerss was "dirtier"

 

[PapaG]

I only brought up the Miller Flagrant on Griffin to illustrate that some posters here defended it at the time, so I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that some Laker fans are defending Bynum. Reading the responses to the Miller foul, it looks as if I proved my point, and that pokint still stands. Some fans of teams will protect their player and excuse blatant cheap shots.

 

[PapaG]

lol "potentially injured"

you could say that about pretty much any contact ever made. pure comedy.

but you said yourself that bynums foul was much worse, so i guess you agree with everyone, you only think millerss was "dirtier"

No, not at all. Bynum's is much "dirtier", and I just posted it as being more "bush league", which is what I think of as being "dirty". It's fun when BoobNoMore writes a dissertation smearing me and misreresenting my position, but, that's what his schtick is, so I can't say I'm surprised. And now I get multiple posters who don't have a clue what I actually posted.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

personally im not surprised at all that laker fans are defending bynum, thats what they do. and usually blazer fans defend blazer players...

 

[3RA1N1AC]

No, not at all. Bynum's is much "dirtier".

And now I get multiple posters who don't have a clue what I actually posted.

I think Miller's shot on Griffin is even more dirty than Bynum's on Barea

are we done here?

 

[PapaG]

are we done here?

No, because you took what I posted out of context. I think the actual play by Miller, basically body blocking an unaware Griffin, is the more dirty play in terms of the actual act. I think that the timing of Bynum's hard foul on Barea makes his play much worse, though, and hence more "dirty".

Anyhow, both players were/will be suspended for their actions, so to me, both are cheap shots.

 

[PapaG]

Funny, seems to me you implied exactly that when you said this: "I think Miller's shot on Griffin is even more dirty than Bynum's on Barea, simply because Griffin wasn't even involved in the play."

And btw, Miller wasn't called a foul on that play.

What does that have to do with anything? If anything, it actually helps prove what a cheap shot it was, since Griffin was so far out of the play that no ref saw it. Miller was suspended for that play, so clearly the NBA didn't care that their refs missed the foul. It's good thing the refs did miss it, to, because had it been seen during play, Miller would have been tossed from the game.

Whatever, we should waive Miller.

Cho is undecided on that one, as has been posted here. Personally, I hope Mller's team option can be used as a trade chip to upgrade either PG or the front-court.

 

[PapaG]

Seriously? LMFAO

Yeah, I think that the actual act of Miller cowardly blasting into Griffin was a more dirty foul, in technical terms. He knocked a guy who couldn't see him flat off of his feet by ramming him with his shoulder. Sorry, but that could have caused an injury, and it's a cheap shot. Bynum wins the actual "dirty" award, though, since his foul was in garbage time.

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[PapaG]

Just clarifying that it wasn't a foul.

It was, though. That's why Miller got suspended. Just because the refs missed it doesn't mean it was a foul.

It was a cheap shot. I thought so at the time, and I still do. But saying what Miller did was "more dirty" implies that it was a more dangerous move than what Bynum did, which is ludicrous to me. Miller was suspended for only 1 game. I'm guessing Bynum will be suspended for more than 1 game, in which case it would seem to me that the league views Bynum's move as more dangerous.

Well, Bynum has a history of cheap shots, too. I was surprised at Miller's foul, because it was so out of character for him. Also, the response that you quoted about the dirty foul was in reply to a few posters who thought that Miller's foul wasn't a cheap shot.

After watching the video of it, I think any poster defending it is being as big of a homer as some of those Laker fans. Just because Bynum's play was much more bush league than Miller's doesn't mean that the weren't both bush league, IMO.

 

[PapaG]

Just to be clear, cheap shot or not doesn't really matter to me. What matters is the potentially dangerous effect of the play.

I agree, and I think that Miller's body block on Griffin could was potentially dangerous as well. I can't remember the last time I saw a foul like that, where one player funs full speed and rams a shoulder into the back of an opposing player who can't see him. Just an odd play, and as I said, very out of character for Miller. It was a bitch move, just like Bynum's cheap shot was a bitch move. Crushing a defenseless opposing player is cowardly, IMO.

 

[Minstrel]

I have to say, whenever PapaG decides that it's time to bring ole Andre Miller back for some bashing, the results are amusing...to say the least.

 

[Natebishop3]

I have to say, whenever PapaG decides that it's time to bring ole Andre Miller back for some bashing, the results are amusing...to say the least.

He's not only a member of the "I Hate Andre Miller" club, he's also the President!

 

[MARIS61]

I think it's a stretch to call it a cheap shot. It was basically a hard foul...he ran into him and knocked him back. He didn't do anything dangerous, like undercut him or drive his elbow into a vulnerable area.

Ask Gerald Wallace about the danger, since he got a collapsed lung from the same "foul" from the same cheapshot coward.

It's obvious he's not going after the ball, he's deliberately striking a vital organ with the clear intent to injure him. He does this shit on a regular basis, always with smaller players, always a sucker punch, and there's no place in a credible league for assholes like him.

 

[MARIS61]

I agree, and I think that Miller's body block on Griffin could was potentially dangerous as well. I can't remember the last time I saw a foul like that, where one player funs full speed and rams a shoulder into the back of an opposing player who can't see him. Just an odd play, and as I said, very out of character for Miller. It was a bitch move, just like Bynum's cheap shot was a bitch move. Crushing a defenseless opposing player is cowardly, IMO.

2 opposite scenarios.

Bynum sucker punched the tiniest guy on the court simply because he was being outplayed and embarrassed.

Miller was defending himself against a bigger guy who had cheapshot him twice, after first asking the refs to and getting refused.

 

[bbwtrench]

I do not condone what Bynum did, but to call him classless when many other HOF's have done the same? Get real! It happens... Fine and suspend his ass and move on. I've seen worse back before the NBA got all pussy about hand checks and tick tack fouls. Bynum was an idiot, but hes still a good player.

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[Denny Crane]

FWIW, game 5 when the Bulls finished off Indiana was a lot like this play by Bynum, except Indy had several players taking the cheap shots. They were getting blown out, and any time a shot went up, they were outright swinging for guys' heads and not even bothering to go for rebounds.

I'm not complaining about it, the players were defeated and clearly frustrated. Just pointing out that it's not so uncommon.

Bynum's hit wasn't good basketball, but the Detroit Bad Boy Pistons hit people like that all the time. Their motto was "no easy baskets (without a hard foul)."

 

[Denny Crane]

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[Natebishop3]

There's a hard foul and then there's a dirty play. I don't care who you are, there's no excuse for a dirty play that could potentially end someone's career and undercutting a guy while he's in mid-air is unbelievably dirty and extremely dangerous. Was Andre Miller's foul on Griffin dirty? Yes, but come on... You can't possibly compare that to an intentional foul that puts someone at risk.

 

[Mediocre Man]

It was a cheap shot. However, it would have been just a hard playoff foul had he done it the first quarter.

 

[Natebishop3]

It was a cheap shot. However, it would have been just a hard playoff foul had he done it the first quarter.

And that's really the distinct difference. It was a cheap shot when the game (and the series) was already over.