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I can't fault the get younger thought process right now. What I do hate is some of the decisions that got them to this point. Somebody who called Fancesa on WFAN this week had a good point. Look at the money they're spending on Drew, Capuano and Headley combined. You let Cano walk without a replacement for that. Now you're still missing a bat of that caliber and hoping aging vets have resurgent years.
 
Messiah717 said:
I can't fault the get younger thought process right now. What I do hate is some of the decisions that got them to this point. Somebody who called Fancesa on WFAN this week had a good point. Look at the money they're spending on Drew, Capuano and Headley combined. You let Cano walk without a replacement for that. Now you're still missing a bat of that caliber and hoping aging vets have resurgent years.
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...yup, makes no sense to me. Not much difference in having Drew at SS vs Gregorius...DiDi may or may not pan out, but if they were gonna sign Drew, why trade away Greene and then sign Cappy? Drew could have played SS instead, but now, even though defensively they are stronger up the middle with Drew and DiDi, both are black holes offensively.
...some of the moves seem to cancel each other out.
...as far as Sherman's "get younger", well, with the departure of Jeter, Kuroda, and Ichiro, they were pretty much guaranteed of that anyway.
 
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Rick2583 said:
Why would a team with a projected win total of 90 need a plan? They're perfect just the way they are..........................................................................aren't they?
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Ummm......try and pay attention......It looks to me as if some of those plans have already been put in place and are some of the reasons why the Yanks could win 90 games.

From the article:
The Yankees’ offseason checklist looked something like this:

1. Find a shortstop — priority one.

2. Improve the defense.

3. Deepen the bullpen.

4. Get younger.

5. Avoid further risky, long-term investment.

6. Protect the best of the farm system and add to it when possible.

7. Create roster depth and flexibility.

8. Put safety nets in place for the rotation.
And....the Yanks have not only retained their top prospects, they get another pick right after the first round after letting Robertson go.


I'm beginning to wonder about a couple of you guys.....seem very dense.
 
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...you, of all people, have a lot of gall referring to others as "very dense"...I'm surprised your fingers didn't explode when you typed that.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...you, of all people, have a lot of gall referring to others as "very dense"...I'm surprised your fingers didn't explode when you typed that.
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Try and read post #6 ....I know you tend to gloss over, don't respect, and/or ignore responses and reasons which don't fit YOUR opinions and reasons.....but try and take another look.
I'll even make it easier on you to attack a part of my reasoning for going for "approx 90 wins".
# 1 and # 2 from above:
Improved defense including SS, should be worth AT LEAST 2-3 more wins by preventing less base runners to reach base over the course of the WHOLE season.

Jeter was .....close to....dreadful in his lack of range, not to mention the errors.
Headley should provide very good defense at 3b from day one......want to argue that one? And say what you want about Drew, but he'll have more range and quickness around 2b than broken down Roberts.....and with a good possibility of having Refsnyder or Pirela contributing, the offense should/ could also improve significantly from 2b. Sure, Yanks could be "gambling" at 2b - but according to your logic, then we'll NEVER infuse young players into the lineup.

And Lindgren and Severino are very close by to help the P Staff.
Warren may also be a YOUNG pitching candidate for the SP.
 
Christ Rick was being sarcastic. Now stick your damn head in there and find out if it's a man eater.
 
blgridesagain said:
Ummm......try and pay attention......It looks to me as if some of those plans have already been put in place and are some of the reasons why the Yanks could win 90 games.

From the article:
The Yankees’ offseason checklist looked something like this:

1. Find a shortstop — priority one.

2. Improve the defense.

3. Deepen the bullpen.

4. Get younger.

5. Avoid further risky, long-term investment.

6. Protect the best of the farm system and add to it when possible.

7. Create roster depth and flexibility.

8. Put safety nets in place for the rotation.
And....the Yanks have not only retained their top prospects, they get another pick right after the first round after letting Robertson go.


I'm beginning to wonder about a couple of you guys.....seem very dense.
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#1 Finding a shortstop & finding a proven productive shortstop is two different things. I mean signing Bucky Dent would have been FINDING a shortstop.

#2 Improve the defense, I'll give you that one.

#3 Signing a half dozen arms for the bullpen only made it crowded not necessarily deeper. That's yet to be seen.

#4 Getting younger doesn't ALWAYS mean getting better. Again its a wait & see.

#5 That we've done but at this time we don't know at what cost.

#6 Greene is someone who wasn't to far from once being a farm hand so I'm not so sure what we actually protected.

#7 This you'll have to explain.

#8 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
blgridesagain said:
Try and read post #6 ....I know you tend to gloss over, don't respect, and/or ignore responses and reasons which don't fit YOUR opinions and reasons.....but try and take another look.
I'll even make it easier on you to attack a part of my reasoning for going for "approx 90 wins".
# 1 and # 2 from above:
Improved defense including SS, should be worth AT LEAST 2-3 more wins by preventing less base runners to reach base over the course of the WHOLE season.

Jeter was .....close to....dreadful in his lack of range, not to mention the errors.
Headley should provide very good defense at 3b from day one......want to argue that one? And say what you want about Drew, but he'll have more range and quickness around 2b than broken down Roberts.....and with a good possibility of having Refsnyder or Pirela contributing, the offense should/ could also improve significantly from 2b. Sure, Yanks could be "gambling" at 2b - but according to your logic, then we'll NEVER infuse young players into the lineup.

And Lindgren and Severino are very close by to help the P Staff.
Warren may also be a YOUNG pitching candidate for the SP.
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...such is the view through pinstriped glasses.
 
...sorry, but no. No blinders here and my vision is 20/20.

...but thanx for your heartfelt concern.
 
Messiah717 said:
I can't fault the get younger thought process right now. What I do hate is some of the decisions that got them to this point. Somebody who called Fancesa on WFAN this week had a good point. Look at the money they're spending on Drew, Capuano and Headley combined. You let Cano walk without a replacement for that. Now you're still missing a bat of that caliber and hoping aging vets have resurgent years.
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Regarding Cano and Blowhard Fatcessa-
Headley is signed for 4 yrs 52 Mil,
Capuano and Drew one year each for 5 mil.

According to my math, that's a total of 62 mil with 10 of those millions coming off the books after this year. How much was Cano asking for, and for how long? lol
 
At an early Yankee Spring Training game some wag will sit outside Steinbrenner Field serenading the fans passing by with this old John Conlee tune,

These rose color glasses, that I'm looking through,
Show only the beauty, but they hide all the truths.

Barring some unexpected miracles I think we Yankee Fans are in for another harsh season.
 
^^^yup...no way I can be as optimistic about this year's team as I was about last year's team at this time. The additions of Tanaka, Ellsbury, McCann, and Beltran had me feeling pretty good about the 2014 season.
 
Rick2583 said:
I've no doubt skipping over post #11 was just an over sight.
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I addressed all of your points in post #11 - once again, you either missed them, or couldn't grasp it.
Your # 3, 4 and 5 "points" - yes, its a wait and see game which I believe will be answered for the most part in the affirmative.....you disagree, fine.
I liked Greene, wasn't happy with trading him, but the Yanks did "gamble" on Gregorius and I DID say there is a certain factor of "gambling" in making TRADES.
And once again, I guess we'll just have and wait and see....Didi has struggled a lot vs LHP - he's also a 6' 2" 200 lb LH hitter who has already hit his first career HR at YS.


And yes - the Yanks have not giving up a single highly touted prospect in any recent trades......and as far as the BP is concerned, I think they now have TWO late inning relievers who BOTH were more effective and dominant than DRob.
Betances pitched approx twice as many innings as Drob last year....his work load whole should be less as the closer.
Yanks also acquired a couple of effective LH relievers and by most indications, Lindgren is the goods and should see action with the big club this season.

Starting rotation - AS I've SAID BEFORE, J think will hold it's own and not be an embarrassment.

You're a naysayer...fine......As for the Yankees chances of being very competitive for a division or WC spot I say YES.

PS, they have NOT handed out any new huge long term contracts which should come in handy down the road.....in two or three years.
 
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blgridesagain said:
I addressed all of your points in post #11 - once again, you either missed them, or couldn't grasp it.
Your # 3, 4 and 5 "points" - yes, its a wait and see game which I believe will be answered for the most part in the affirmative.....you disagree, fine.
I liked Greene, wasn't happy with trading him, but the Yanks did "gamble" on Gregorius and I DID say there is a certain factor of "gambling" in making TRADES.
And once again, I guess we'll just have and wait and see....Didi has struggled a lot vs LHP - he's also a 6' 2" 200 lb LH hitter who has already his first career HR at YS.

And yes - the Yanks have not giving up a single highly touted prospect in any recent trades......and as far as the BP is concerned, I think they now have TWO late inning relievers who BOTH were more effective and dominant than DRob.
Betances pitched approx twice as many innings as Drob last year....his work load whole should be less as the closer.
Yanks also acquired a couple of effective LH relievers and by most indications, Lindgren is the goods and should see action with the big club this season.

Starting rotation - AS I've SAID BEFORE, J think will hold it's own and not be an embarrassment.

You're a naysayer...fine......As for the Yankees chances of being very competitive for a division or WC spot I say YES.

PS, they have NOT handed out any new huge long term contracts which should come in handy down the road.....in two or three years.[/QUOTE]


This is a no brainer since the'll no longer have the contracts of A-Roid, Tex & CC

Look I don't mean to dispute all your expectations, Hell I hope you're right. I just think they're way to many question marks going into 2015 to be optimistic.
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...like I've said before, if a person tries really hard enough, they can talk themselves into believing just about anything.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...like I've said before, if a person tries really hard enough, they can talk themselves into believing just about anything.
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And, obviously you think its some kind radical pie in sky dream to expect considerable improvement from the following 2014 numbers:

Shortstop - OPS .579 tied for last in league
OBP .287, 2nd from the bottom
Total Bases, 2nd from the bottom
Errors 16, tied for 11th

FirstBase -
OPS .687, 13th in league.
SLG% .382, 10th in league.
Total Bases. 227, 11th in league.
OBP .305, 11th in league.

Right Field
OPS, .642, 14th in league
SLG# .347, 14th in league
Total bases, 206, 14th in league
HR 8, 13th in league

DH
OPS, .662 12th in league
SLG# .372 12th in league
Total bases, 214 12th in league
BA, .230 12th in league
ONE intentional BB. lmao

Left field
OPS, 706, 8th in league, 15 pts lower than league avg.


If you expect similar numbers from those spots in 2015, or criticize the GM and some others for expecting more.....than you are a weird pessimist or just trying to cover your butt after picking the 2015 team to barely play over .500 ball.
 
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^^^what?....at this point, do you even know what you're babbling about anymore?

...but nice cherry picking.



Here, I'll do some too;

...PECOTA and Baseball Prospectus have the Yanx projected for an 80-82 record.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/
http://www.pinstripealley.com/yanke...l-prospectus-pecota-standings-yankees-al-east

...Fan Graphs have the Yanx projected for an 81-81 record.

http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings

Pinstripe Alley have the Yanx projected for an 81-81 record.

http://www.pinstripealley.com/2014/...lysis-tanaka-sabathia-betances-eovaldi-miller







...but yeah, according to you, I'm "some sort of weird pessimist".
 
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yankeesince59 said:
^^^what?....at this point, do you even know what you're babbling about anymore?

...but nice cherry picking.



Here, I'll do some too;

...PECOTA and Baseball Prospectus have the Yanx projected for an 80-82 record.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/
http://www.pinstripealley.com/yanke...l-prospectus-pecota-standings-yankees-al-east

...Fan Graphs have the Yanx projected for an 81-81 record.

http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings

Pinstripe Alley have the Yanx projected for an 81-81 record.

http://www.pinstripealley.com/2014/...lysis-tanaka-sabathia-betances-eovaldi-miller







...but yeah, according to you, I'm "some sort of weird pessimist".
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I wasn't "cherry picking"....those stats I cited (post 24) were from five different areas of the lineup which were cold hard ugly numbers. And YOU are the one who is calling upon various articles and opinions......
I say most of those numbers from those areas WILL improve and quite possibly production from 2b and C as well....which leads me to a few of the reasons the Yankees will win approx 90 games. Easier to understand now? lol

You should take your own advice:
"here's a tip...stop buying into every freaking article that comes along and learn to think for yourself".


You're better off listening to good old blg. lol
 
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...wow, what a miserable wretch.

...are those links and projections also "weird pessimists" too?...yes, or no?

...sorry, but yes, what you're doing is by definition "cherry picking"...in case it totally escaped you, (and it generally does) ...I posted those links to illustrate how "cherry picking" is a 2-way street...and I even prefaced it by saying "Here, I'll do some too".


...are you caught up yet?...or do I need to type s l o w e r ?
 
As far as the OP the answer is most definitely YES. Of course they have a plan, unfortunately it doesn't start for another 3 years yet when they rid themselves of A-Rod, Tex & CC.
 
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