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On the radio, they said Houston has it because of winning division. I thought it was head to head. Please explain. This can become a seed race thread too.
 
KingSpeed said:
On the radio, they said Houston has it because of winning division. I thought it was head to head. Please explain. This can become a seed race thread too.
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Blazers own head to head tie breaker from taking 2 of 3 vs Rockets. In a 2 way tie head to head is first tiebreaker. However, if it’s a 3 way tie (or more) then the first tiebreaker is Division winner. So yes, Blazers own tiebreaker over Rockets . . . as long as it’s only a 2 way tie.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2019/4/2/18292442/portland-trail-blazers-2019-nba-playoffs-tiebreaker-scenario

https://www.nba.com/standings

a. Two Teams Tied
  1. (1)Better winning percentage in games against each other
  2. (2)Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division).
  3. (3)Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
  4. (4)Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
  5. (5)Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
  6. (6)Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
  7. (7)Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents ("point differential").
b. More Than Two Teams Tied
  1. (1)Division winner (this criterion is applied regardless of whether the tied teams are in the same division).
  2. (2)Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams.
  3. (3)Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in same division).
  4. (4)Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
  5. (5)Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
  6. (6)Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents ("point differential").
 
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There are no winning percentages or seeds, just different planes
 
Thank you, Kaydow. That makes sense. So we control our own destiny for 3 seed.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
No, we do not. If we win out, but Denver and Houston win all their games not against us, we all finish tied at 54-28, and we lose that 3-way tie-breaker and end up the 4 seed.
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By why is Portland to 4th seed?
 
KingSpeed said:
Thank you, Kaydow. That makes sense. So we control our own destiny for 3 seed.
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We don't completely. Houston has to lose to OKC and the Blazers would have to win at least 3.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Denver wins division over us by virtue of division record. We then lose 3-way tie-breaker to Houston/Denver by virtue of not being a division champion, thus relegating us to 4th, and leaving Denver/Houston tied for 2/3.
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Denver would be 2nd based on division record and Houston 3rd
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Head-to-head, Houston beat Denver 3-1. Pretty sure they'd get the 2 seed.
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In a three way tie scenario division record comes first. Though I gues with the three way tie it would revert to two way tie rules...hmm
 
Chris Craig said:
In a three way tie scenario division record comes first. Though I gues with the three way tie it would revert to two way tie rules...hmm
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Division record is only relevant to teams in the same division. And the 3-way tie in this scenario is broken once the "division winner" criterion is applied. Once we're out of the mix, it's just a 2-way tie between Denver/Houston, which the Rockets win.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Division record is only relevant to teams in the same division. And the 3-way tie in this scenario is broken once the "division winner" criterion is applied. Once we're out of the mix, it's just a 2-way tie between Denver/Houston, which the Rockets win.
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Oh ok...I read it as it applying to all tied teams. Basically if Houston had a better division record than the Nuggest did in theirs, they get the tie breaker. Also wasn't sure if the rules reverted from three way to two way. Thanks
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Denver wins division over us by virtue of division record. We then lose 3-way tie-breaker to Houston/Denver by virtue of not being a division champion, thus relegating us to 4th, and leaving Denver/Houston tied for 2/3.
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I'm sorry, I understood you the first time. There was a meme in Reddit/r/nba about Portland getting the 4th back when winning your division mattered for seating
 
Posting this again here. This is what we should be rooting for:

If Houston goes 1-1 (Phoenix, OKC)
And if we go 3-0 (Denver, Lakers, Kings)
And if Denver wins at least once (Utah, Minnesota)

then

Denver 54-28
Portland 53-29
Houston 53-29

That's our path to the third seed. We need OKC to lose a game (Bucks?) and the Clippers to win a game (at home vs Utah?) and Clippers get 6 seed because Clippers will have tiebreaker over OKC.

That sets us with a 3-6 matchup with the Clippers that opens at the Moda Center next weekend.

That is the best case scenario.
 
KingSpeed said:
Posting this again here. This is what we should be rooting for:

If Houston goes 1-1 (Phoenix, OKC)
And if we go 3-0 (Denver, Lakers, Kings)
And if Denver wins at least once (Utah, Minnesota)

then

Denver 54-28
Portland 53-29
Houston 53-29

That's our path to the third seed. We need OKC to lose a game (Bucks?) and the Clippers to win a game (at home vs Utah?) and Clippers get 6 seed because Clippers will have tiebreaker over OKC.

That sets us with a 3-6 matchup with the Clippers that opens at the Moda Center next weekend.

That is the best case scenario.
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Clippers have the Warriors and Jazz. They might be out of the 6th seed when all is said and done.
 
hoopsjock said:
Clippers have the Warriors and Jazz. They might be out of the 6th seed when all is said and done.
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Read my post again. If OKC loses to Bucks (in Milwaukee) and Clippers beat Jazz (at home), Clippers will stay at 6 seed since they own the tiebreaker. Alth ugh I'm not sure what happens if Spurs win out. I'd have to look into that if that happens. Could we end up with a 6 seeded Spurs team? I'd take that too.
 
KingSpeed said:
Read my post again. If OKC loses to Bucks (in Milwaukee) and Clippers beat Jazz (at home), Clippers will stay at 6 seed since they own the tiebreaker. Alth ugh I'm not sure what happens if Spurs win out. I'd have to look into that if that happens. Could we end up with a 6 seeded Spurs team? I'd take that too.
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I did read it, you put Bucks? Not that they would. Besides Milwaukee just clinched home court throughout the playoffs and have nothing to play for. Tough to rely on that and also need OKC to beat Houston.
 
hoopsjock said:
I did read it, you put Bucks? Not that they would. Besides Milwaukee just clinched home court throughout the playoffs and have nothing to play for. Tough to rely on that and also need OKC to beat Houston.
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Yes I said we needed OKC to lose to Bucks and Clippers to beat the Jazz. I spelled out how the Clips could keep the 6 seed and then you showed me the schedule and said they'd probably not get the 6 seed! Pay attention! And yes, we need OKC to beat Houston. I spelled it out in my post. Not sure how you can disagree with what I am saying is our best path to second round. Those are the games we should be rooting for.
 
Bucks MIGHT rest Giannis but Giannis is in tight MVP race. I think he'll play.
 
KingSpeed said:
Yes I said we needed OKC to lose to Bucks and Clippers to beat the Jazz. I spelled out how the Clips could keep the 6 seed and then you showed me the schedule and said they'd probably not get the 6 seed! Pay attention! And yes, we need OKC to beat Houston. I spelled it out in my post. Not sure how you can disagree with what I am saying is our best path to second round. Those are the games we should be rooting for.
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King, I'm saying I know what you said and I understand the path to get there. We literally need at least 6 games to go in our favor for that to happen. It's unlikely.
 
hoopsjock said:
King, I'm saying I know what you said and I understand the path to get there. We literally need at least 6 games to go in our favor for that to happen. It's unlikely.
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We'll see. I think, in every case, I picked the favorite though.
 
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