Do we have the worst starting PF/C combo in the league?

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BigGameDamian said:
Would you trade C.J. to the Bucks if the Blazers got back both Monroe and Middleton? What more do you think it would take? Don't be surprised if the Bucks blow it up this summer.
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No. CJ and DAmes cohesion must not be messed with....
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm going to mess with it. I'm going to call up the Kings and offer CJ for Boogie and there's nothing you can do to stop me!
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Different scenario. Boogie makes Monroe look like a D league player. :) Boogie plays at both ends. Monroe has zero D and that wont work with our squad.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Different scenario. Boogie makes Monroe look like a D league player. :) Boogie plays at both ends. Monroe has zero D and that wont work with our squad.
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What are you talking about, we already play with zero D.

;)
 
Natebishop3 said:
Would Dame have turned the corner like he did if LMA was still on the roster?
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A flat out No. LA would have been the same LA he was for the previous years and Dame wouldn't have been where he is and CJ wouldn't have developed as much.

Orion Bailey said:
Mmmm, hard to say. IF LMA would have been cool with the same roll with us that he has with SA? YES, I think Dame would become our leader and be our #1 option with LMA as ur number two. His consistent mid range with Dames 3pt and drive to the hole abilities.. What I think is CJ wouldnt have evolved this season...

Either way, Im pretty sure we would be a top four team as if if you ad LMA
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We weren't even a Top-4 team last year with all the vets and experience. Maybe because the West is down so much we might have been close but not in comparison to where the West has been in recent years. Portland is only sniffing the Playoffs because the WC has fallen off so much.
 
TBpup said:
A flat out No. LA would have been the same LA he was for the previous years and Dame wouldn't have been where he is and CJ wouldn't have developed as much.



We weren't even a Top-4 team last year with all the vets and experience. Maybe because the West is down so much we might have been close but not in comparison to where the West has been in recent years. Portland is only sniffing the Playoffs because the WC has fallen off so much.
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Agreed, but I think our roster si better top to bottom. We have vets, but what were their numbers compared to those replacing them? We are a much harder working blue collar hustle team now. combine that with the west being weaker and yes, we are a top four. Do you really think the Clips or Memphis is better than this team if LMA was n it and allowed Dame to take over? I still think CJ might not have come around as much, but we would clearly be a better team with LMA than without.. IF he conceded...

And I say that still having a distaste for him and how he left. This isnt Homerism.. this is being rational I think .
 
Orion Bailey said:
Agreed, but I think our roster si better top to bottom. We have vets, but what were their numbers compared to those replacing them? We are a much harder working blue collar hustle team now. combine that with the west being weaker and yes, we are a top four. Do you really think the Clips or Memphis is better than this team if LMA was n it and allowed Dame to take over? I still think CJ might not have come around as much, but we would clearly be a better team with LMA than without.. IF he conceded...

And I say that still having a distaste for him and how he left. This isnt Homerism.. this is being rational I think .
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He'd of never conceded.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Your probably right, and makes it even the sadder, because I have an imagination....
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It'd be nice... but he would have held down Dame and CJ for sure... I have no doubt. Like TBPUP and myself said.
 
Orion Bailey said:
No. CJ and DAmes cohesion must not be messed with....
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People said that about Curry/Ellis when they were scoring a ton for GS. I'm open to whatever makes the team better. If that definitively means keeping them together, great. If you can get something better that balances you out and make you better, you do it.

Orion Bailey said:
Agreed, but I think our roster si better top to bottom. We have vets, but what were their numbers compared to those replacing them? We are a much harder working blue collar hustle team now. combine that with the west being weaker and yes, we are a top four. Do you really think the Clips or Memphis is better than this team if LMA was n it and allowed Dame to take over?
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Nothing from LA's 9 years tells me he would have been comfortable with anyone else taking over. He was bent at Roy, jealous of Oden and reportedly had hurt feelings regarding Dame. The only reason he accepts that in SA is because of Pop and he is playing with his younger days hero.

The Clips have been without Griffin for a good part of the season and Memphis has had every injury known to man.....and we still can't catch them. LA would have helped but exactly how bad would teams have had to been for POR to catch them? Last year 7 teams had 50 wins and the year before it was all 8 Playoff teams. This year it will be 3 in the West and maybe 4.....huge fall off.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Fine....I agree but I dont have to like it dammit!
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TBpup said:
People said that about Curry/Ellis when they were scoring a ton for GS. I'm open to whatever makes the team better. If that definitively means keeping them together, great. If you can get something better that balances you out and make you better, you do it.



Nothing from LA's 9 years tells me he would have been comfortable with anyone else taking over. He was bent at Roy, jealous of Oden and reportedly had hurt feelings regarding Dame. The only reason he accepts that in SA is because of Pop and he is playing with his younger days hero.

The Clips have been without Griffin for a good part of the season and Memphis has had every injury known to man.....and we still can't catch them. LA would have helped but exactly how bad would teams have had to been for POR to catch them? Last year 7 teams had 50 wins and the year before it was all 8 Playoff teams. This year it will be 3 in the West and maybe 4.....huge fall off.
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READ ABOVE!!!!

Quit making me cry with tears f what could have been if LMA wasnt such a mental midget!!!!
 
TBpup said:
People said that about Curry/Ellis when they were scoring a ton for GS. I'm open to whatever makes the team better. If that definitively means keeping them together, great. If you can get something better that balances you out and make you better, you do it.



Nothing from LA's 9 years tells me he would have been comfortable with anyone else taking over. He was bent at Roy, jealous of Oden and reportedly had hurt feelings regarding Dame. The only reason he accepts that in SA is because of Pop and he is playing with his younger days hero.

The Clips have been without Griffin for a good part of the season and Memphis has had every injury known to man.....and we still can't catch them. LA would have helped but exactly how bad would teams have had to been for POR to catch them? Last year 7 teams had 50 wins and the year before it was all 8 Playoff teams. This year it will be 3 in the West and maybe 4.....huge fall off.
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I will agree the west is worse this year.

Oh well, gets us more experience! Fools gold perhaps, but playoffs are playoffs!
 
Orion Bailey said:
Quit making me cry with tears f what could have been if LMA wasnt such a mental midget!!!!
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How much of a mental midget LA was is tough to even measure it was such a big issue. He was so sensitive about almost everything but yet didn't really want to be the man but didn't want anyone else to be either.

Now he can coattail his way to a possible Title with the Greatest PF of all time, a HOF 6th man, a Finals MVP PG, a Finals MVP SF who is one of the most complete players in the league and possibly the greatest Coach of all time.

Way to 'lead' LaCoattails Thinskinnedridge.
 
No
 
Yeah LMA would really help this roster out. Without Wes/Nic there's still a ton of shots for DameCJ. We really need a third scorer. Vonleh hasn't improved; normally a long term starter will show glimpses after this long. Jermaine Oneal was a beast in the couple games he got 20mins. That was on an unreal 10 man deep roster. Vonleh basically has that opportunity every night yet his best game was last nights 8 points? Sure he's still young but at this point I find it more likely he's a career backup than career starter.

If we don't find a legit 3rd player next season we may start wasting the few years of Lillards prime. In two years he'll be turning 28 when players performance declines.

Yeah I get all the problems LaMarcus had and imperfections. It was fun having low expectations this year and greatly exceeding them. Will that be fun next year and the year after? How does this team become more than a .500 squad? LaMarcus gave us a player who had that talent every night. Now we have a bunch of long shots.
 
Draco said:
Yeah LMA would really help this roster out. Without Wes/Nic there's still a ton of shots for DameCJ. We really need a third scorer. Vonleh hasn't improved; normally a long term starter will show glimpses after this long. Jermaine Oneal was a beast in the couple games he got 20mins. That was on an unreal 10 man deep roster. Vonleh basically has that opportunity every night yet his best game was last nights 8 points? Sure he's still young but at this point I find it more likely he's a career backup than career starter.

If we don't find a legit 3rd player next season we may start wasting the few years of Lillards prime. In two years he'll be turning 28 when players performance declines.

Yeah I get all the problems LaMarcus had and imperfections. It was fun having low expectations this year and greatly exceeding them. Will that be fun next year and the year after? How does this team become more than a .500 squad? LaMarcus gave us a player who had that talent every night. Now we have a bunch of long shots.
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Eh, I can see that. But LMA wasn't content in sharing. He wanted a bulk of the shots. CJ gets left out. Then we are right back to needing a 3rd scorer. That's the limbo we are in. We need someone that can come in and take enough shots, but not enough. And also to be able to be copacetic with Dame and CJ and understand the team aspect of things. I don't think LMA was wired to do that Pre-pop.
 
No.
Do we have the worst starting PF in the league? Probably. The whole "developing Noah" meme has not worked, and will continue to not work. He's not comfortable, yet.
 
We have one of the best front courts. Who starts doesn't matter. Davis, Plumlee, Vonleh, and Leonard are all great passers and we're one of the best rebounding teams in the league.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
No.
Do we have the worst starting PF in the league? Probably. The whole "developing Noah" meme has not worked, and will continue to not work. He's not comfortable, yet.
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He doesn't play starters minutes. He is fine.
 
Draco said:
Vonleh hasn't improved; normally a long term starter will show glimpses after this long. Jermaine Oneal was a beast in the couple games he got 20mins. That was on an unreal 10 man deep roster. Vonleh basically has that opportunity every night yet his best game was last nights 8 points? Sure he's still young but at this point I find it more likely he's a career backup than career starter.
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Part of the difference is Vonleh RARELY gets more than 16 minutes. It's usually 6-7 in the first quarter and the same in the 3rd and that's it. The last 4 times he has played over 20 minutes went like this:

25 minutes...5/6 FG...11 points....6 rebounds...3 steals...+/- of +20
22 minutes...5/7 FG...10 points....7 rebounds...2 blocks..+/- of +0
21 minutes...3/6 FG....9 points.....4 rebounds...1/2 3-pt...+/-of +25
20 minutes...2/7 FG....4 points....5 rebounds...1 block.....+/- of +9

He also had a +25 game in 17 minutes with 9 rebounds against WAS and a +25 game in 21 minutes against GS where he played 'Small Ball' center and actually slowed down Draymond Green while picking up 9 points and 4 rebounds.

He has played 15 minutes or less 33 times this season to go with 4 games where he was inactive or did not play due to a sprained ankle. So his minutes have been quite inconsistent and certainly doesn't have a normal rotation of a starter.
 
TBpup said:
People said that about Curry/Ellis when they were scoring a ton for GS. I'm open to whatever makes the team better. If that definitively means keeping them together, great. If you can get something better that balances you out and make you better, you do it.
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I've been saying this fow the whole got damned season now.
 
TBpup said:
Part of the difference is Vonleh RARELY gets more than 16 minutes. It's usually 6-7 in the first quarter and the same in the 3rd and that's it. The last 4 times he has played over 20 minutes went like this:

25 minutes...5/6 FG...11 points....6 rebounds...3 steals...+/- of +20
22 minutes...5/7 FG...10 points....7 rebounds...2 blocks..+/- of +0
21 minutes...3/6 FG....9 points.....4 rebounds...1/2 3-pt...+/-of +25
20 minutes...2/7 FG....4 points....5 rebounds...1 block.....+/- of +9

He also had a +25 game in 17 minutes with 9 rebounds against WAS and a +25 game in 21 minutes against GS where he played 'Small Ball' center and actually slowed down Draymond Green while picking up 9 points and 4 rebounds.

He has played 15 minutes or less 33 times this season to go with 4 games where he was inactive or did not play due to a sprained ankle. So his minutes have been quite inconsistent and certainly doesn't have a normal rotation of a starter.
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Quality fucking post, brother.
 
KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
We have one of the best front courts. Who starts doesn't matter. Davis, Plumlee, Vonleh, and Leonard are all great passers and we're one of the best rebounding teams in the league.
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And I bet you still think Meyers Leanard is better than Aldridge.
 
AC looking more like foulin Crabbe these days
 
I'd love to have Plumlee as a backup PF/C, and Noah is a project that should be a 3rd stringer right now based on his playing ability.
 
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