Do you support Trump?

[Aly]

I voted other because Trump is not the most unifying candidate, but if he is the Republican nominee I would vote for him. I believe when interest rates go up, just think how much of out budget will just be interest on the debt. Has Obama kept interest rates near zero, its been 7 years, just as long as he has been around so the reality of how far in dept this country is not the focal point. Immigration needs to be stopped and changed to make any one allowed in to be of some benefit to this country.
On Trump wanting to send all illegals home, probably not the right approach, but if e verify was the law, most would go back on there own.
All immigrants are welcome if they come through the front door legally, learn to speak English and try to fit in with our way of life.
If both parties could work together some of our rules need adjusted. Both parties wanna play gotcha.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

 

[barfo]

Just a guess but I'll say because you're a felon?

Good guess, but felons are permitted to be electors.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Good guess, but felons are permitted to be electors.

barfo

Drunk felons?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I have liked trump. But some of the stuff he has been saying lately is not ok.

The sad thing is, I'd still vote for him over Sanders or Hillary.

This is where I'm at. He is a dick and has said some things I don't agree with but I'd still prefer him over Mr. "Free Shit" Cucky McCuckerson or that Mentally ill hag.

 

[barfo]

Drunk felons?

Yep, even drunk felons. However, MarAzul is not eligible due to being on the wrong side in the Civil War.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Yep, even drunk felons. However, MarAzul is not eligible due to being on the wrong side in the Civil War.

barfo

He's a Democrat?

That's a surprise.

 

[barfo]

He's a Democrat?

That's a surprise.

Confederate.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Confederate.

barfo

Oregon wasn't a confederate state.

It was Democrats who rebelled and formed the KKK after.

 

[MARIS61]

They honestly scare me. This hatred and devotion is very worrisome. Until recently I looked at this as just a lark, an amusement. But things have turned much more sinister in the last couple weeks.


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Martin Niemöller

Martin Niemöller was an early supporter of Hitler and a vocal anti-Semite who after the war found an easy life on the speaking circuit of bleeding hearts. A total scam artist.

 

[MARIS61]

What makes you think I'm not a elector?

barfo

Because you're on the government's No-Sail List.

 

[barfo]

Oregon wasn't a confederate state.

It was Democrats who rebelled and formed the KKK after.

Who mentioned Oregon?

Yes, Denny, the civil war was between the Republicans and the Democrats. Luckily, the Libertarians sprang into action and solved the whole crisis, and not a drop of blood was shed. Then everyone had cupcakes.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

Let's see who's still alive at election time.

If Trump "meets with a suspicious accident" or is "assassinated by a lone gun nut", I'll definitely vote for him.

 

[barfo]

Let's see who's still alive at election time.

If Trump "meets with a suspicious accident" or is "assassinated by a lone gun nut", I'll definitely vote for him.

You'll vote for the lone gun nut?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Who mentioned Oregon?

Yes, Denny, the civil war was between the Republicans and the Democrats. Luckily, the Libertarians sprang into action and solved the whole crisis, and not a drop of blood was shed. Then everyone had cupcakes.

barfo

It actually was between the republicans and democrats.

Republicans wanted to free the slaves. That was the single issue the party was founded upon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats#American_Civil_War_and_post-Reconstruction

The Democrats controlled the national government 1852-60. Presidents Pierce and Buchanan were friendly to Southern interests. In the North, the newly formed anti-slavery Republican Party came to power, and dominated the electoral college. In the 1860 presidential election, the Republicans nominated Abraham Lincoln, but the divide among Democrats led to the nomination of two candidates: John C. Breckinridge of Kentucky represented Southern Democrats, and Stephen A. Douglas of Illinois represented Northern Democrats. But the Republicans had a majority of the electoral vote regardless of how the opposition split or joined together and Abraham Lincoln was elected.

After the election of Abraham Lincoln, Southern Democrats led the charge to secede from the Union and form theConfederate States of America. The Congress was dominated by Republicans, save for Andrew Johnson of Tennessee, the only senator from a state in rebellion to reject secession. The Border States of Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri were torn by political turmoil. Kentucky and Missouri were both governed by pro-secessionist Southern Democratic Governors who vehemently rejected Lincoln's call for 75,000 troops. Kentucky and Missouri both held secession conventions and seceded while under Federal occupation. Southern Democrats in Maryland faced a Unionist Governor Thomas Holliday Hicks and the Union Army. Armed with the suspension of habeas corpus and Union troops, Governor Hicks was able to stop Maryland's secession movement. Maryland was the only state south of the Mason–Dixon line whose governor affirmed Lincoln's call for 75,000 troops.


But anyhow, it's not like Oregon was strong on civil rights all along.

 

[julius]

I never understand why people bring up which party was on what side back in the civil war. The parties are a little different now.

 

[Denny Crane]

I never understand why people bring up which party was on what side back in the civil war. The parties are a little different now.

Barfo brought it up.

 

[Further]

Martin Niemöller was an early supporter of Hitler and a vocal anti-Semite who after the war found an easy life on the speaking circuit of bleeding hearts. A total scam artist.

Perhaps, I really don't know much about him other than the many versions of that quote. But the sentiment is still valid, we need to speak up for the downtrodden in our society, for the voiceless amongst us, because if nobody speaks up problems grow and gain in amplitude.

I think there are a lot of fears in our world today and people are willing to give up a lot to calm those fears. It's very understandable, I share in those fears. But once you take freedoms away, once you give up on ideals, they don't often ever return, even once the threats are relieved.

 

[barfo]

Barfo brought it up.

Nope, you did. Nice try, though.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Nope, you did. Nice try, though.

barfo

No, you did. You effectively called MarAzul a civil war era democrat.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No, you did. You effectively called MarAzul a civil war era democrat.

Wrong, Barfo was referring to a joke I had made last week about Marazul being old enough to have served in the Civil War.

He wasn't calling Marazul a democrat, he was calling him old.

 

[barfo]

No, you did. You effectively called MarAzul a civil war era democrat.

No, you did. I called him a confederate. That isn't a party label.

Weren't you just arguing the other day that the civil war wasn't about slavery?
And today you say the Republican party was formed with the sole purpose of opposing slavery?
Your interpretation of history is interesting, for sure.

barfo

 

[julius]

Perhaps, I really don't know much about him other than the many versions of that quote. But the sentiment is still valid, we need to speak up for the downtrodden in our society, for the voiceless amongst us, because if nobody speaks up problems grow and gain in amplitude.

I think there is a lot of fears in our world today and people are willing to give up a lot to calm those fears. It's very understandable, I share in those fears. But once you take freedoms away, once you give up on ideals, they don't often ever return, even once the threats are relieved.

'

I think it's easy to claim someone was antisemitic, but it doesn't take away from the point of the quote. Like I remember hearing that Dr Seuss was antisemitic, and how I (referencing him) should be ashamed. She was a super uber hippy/liberal (a precursor to the hipster era I suppose).

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[MarAzul]

The parties are a little different now.

Bingo! One half turn of the helix over time. The parties almost swapping places in governing philosophy.
Federalist became Whig, became Republican, until they finally lost power. Then Wilson admiring the style of Mussolini and Teddy Roosevelt took them to being full blow Progressive Democrats.
Jeffersonian Republicans called themselves Democrat-Republicans but Democrat for short, but the people of the same philosophy started becoming Republicans about the time of Wilson and more
or less completed the transition during the 60s with the demise of the Dixiecrats, half of the old governing majority coalition.

 

[Denny Crane]

No, you did. I called him a confederate. That isn't a party label.

Weren't you just arguing the other day that the civil war wasn't about slavery?
And today you say the Republican party was formed with the sole purpose of opposing slavery?
Your interpretation of history is interesting, for sure.

barfo

Confederates were democrats.

No, I argued the North didn't fight the Civil War to end slavery. They fought because the south seceded and a "house divided upon itself cannot stand." preserving of the union. They would have ended slavery by means other than civil war (e.g. by vote, by constitutional amendment, etc.)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)#Founding_and_19th_century

Founded in the Northern states in 1854 by anti-slavery activists, modernizers, ex-Whigs, and ex-Free Soilers, the Republican Party quickly became the principal opposition to the dominant Democratic Party and the briefly popular Know Nothing Party. The main cause was opposition to the Kansas–Nebraska Act, which repealed the Missouri Compromise by which slavery was kept out of Kansas. The Northern Republicans saw the expansion of slavery as a great evil. The first public meeting where the name "Republican" was suggested for a new anti-slavery party was held on March 20, 1854 in a schoolhouse inRipon, Wisconsin.[16] The name was partly chosen to pay homage to Thomas Jefferson'sRepublican Party.

The first official party convention was held on July 6, 1854, in Jackson, Michigan.[17] By 1858, the Republicans dominated nearly all Northern states. The Republican Party first came to power in 1860 with the election of Lincoln to the Presidency and Republicans in control of Congress and again, the Northern states. It oversaw the preserving of the union, the end of slavery, and the provision of equal rights to all men in the American Civil Warand Reconstruction, 1861–1877.[18]

What other issues do you see mentioned?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Bingo! One half turn of the helix over time. The parties almost swapping places in governing philosophy.
Federalist became Whig, became Republican, until they finally lost power. Then Wilson admiring the style of Mussolini and Teddy Roosevelt took them to being full blow Progressive Democrats.
Jeffersonian Republicans called themselves Democrat-Republicans but Democrat for short, but the people of the same philosophy started becoming Republicans about the time of Wilson and more
or less completed the transition during the 60s with the demise of the Dixiecrats, half of the old governing majority coalition.

Republicans used to be the party of science, industry and business. Then in the 1980s they dumped science and became the party of business and religion.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[barfo]

Confederates were democrats.

Tad simplistic. Not everyone in the south was democrat, not everyone in the north was republican.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Republicans used to be the party of science, industry and business. Then in the 1980s they dumped science and became the party of business and religion.

Late 1990s. Dick Armey, Newt, and the rest of the neoconservatives weren't evangelical like W.

I wouldn't call star wars and the space shuttle program and the microprocessor dumping science.