Do You Want Girardi Back Yes or No?

[Rick2583]

Kuroda isn't a young guy. As for CC he has a ton of innings on him and was coming off surgery. If he comes back and has a solid 2014 what are we going to do? Praise the pitching coach?

I would give credit to ANY hitting coach or pitching coach that helps a slumping good player. Or who can give improvement to a strugling young player. Did this REALLY need explaining?

And I'll wait for the explanation from anyone on what the exact functions of a hitting or pitching coach are. Could it be what I just explained above?

 

[yankeesince59]

...my God.

 

[Rick2583]

...my God.

I appreciate the compliment but Rick will do.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

The assumption that both the hitting and pitching coaches not foing anything simply because you don't see an immediate improvement is short sighted. How do you know what goes on behind closed doors. How do you knoe that million dollar pridefull players think they know it all and don't listen. Are you at the cages with player and coach? Speaking as a coach.....I work my ass off trying different techniques to teach my players how to block. If a player decides he knows best what am I to do? Does the oline coach get credit when 4 of his 5 linemen make great blocks or does he look like a schelp because the 5th lineman blew his assignment (something they worked on all week at practice) and the resultjng failure lead to a strip sack forced fumble resulting in a touchdown.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[Rick2583]

The assumption that both the hitting and pitching coaches not foing anything simply because you don't see an immediate improvement is short sighted. How do you know what goes on behind closed doors. How do you knoe that million dollar pridefull players think they know it all and don't listen. Are you at the cages with player and coach? Speaking as a coach.....I work my ass off trying different techniques to teach my players how to block. If a player decides he knows best what am I to do? Does the oline coach get credit when 4 of his 5 linemen make great blocks or does he look like a schelp because the 5th lineman blew his assignment (something they worked on all week at practice) and the resultjng failure lead to a strip sack forced fumble resulting in a touchdown.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

It appears that NO ONE can give me the exact job discription of a pitching or hitting coach so I'll just gracefully bow out of this conversation by responding to you Al. Now of course I know that every team is going to have a hand full of prima-donna's that are not going to listen to a coach. Grandy will probably never be more selective at the plate & continue to strike out 170+ times a year. Teixeira will never lay down a bunt to the 3rd base side avoiding the shift & continue swinging for the fences every AB. And Gardner may never learn how to read pitchers better & go earlier in the count. But (& I say this from my personal observation), I saw absolutely NO improvement from hitters or pitchers who were slumping this year.

So no Al, I'm not looking for IMMEDIATE improvement from these slumping players but over a course of time during the season I'd like to see SOME. On that note...goodnight all.

 

[yankeesince59]

...that's about the 3rd time you said you were giving up on this conversation but you refuse to let it go.

...do you really need someone to explain what pitching and hitting coaches are for? Would it help if one of the greatest minds in Baseball simplifies it for you?

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/base...k-shelton-target-of-fans-frustrations/1241081




...now please, just let it go.

 

[Hammerojustice]

The assumption that both the hitting and pitching coaches not foing anything simply because you don't see an immediate improvement is short sighted. How do you know what goes on behind closed doors. How do you knoe that million dollar pridefull players think they know it all and don't listen. Are you at the cages with player and coach? Speaking as a coach.....I work my ass off trying different techniques to teach my players how to block. If a player decides he knows best what am I to do? Does the oline coach get credit when 4 of his 5 linemen make great blocks or does he look like a schelp because the 5th lineman blew his assignment (something they worked on all week at practice) and the resultjng failure lead to a strip sack forced fumble resulting in a touchdown.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

the team had a collective batting average of .242 which ranked 24th.... The year before they had a collective batting average of .265 which was ranked 8th in MLB... They fell 16 places... AS A TEAM... I think the comment about it being short sighted is null and void as that is for the entire season... pitching, I didn't have an issue with, but the hitting was horrendous...

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

the team had a collective batting average of .242 which ranked 24th.... The year before they had a collective batting average of .265 which was ranked 8th in MLB... They fell 16 places... AS A TEAM... I think the comment about it being short sighted is null and void as that is for the entire season... pitching, I didn't have an issue with, but the hitting was horrendous...

Really...your going to compare team batting averages when the same roster wasn't in play.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[Rick2583]

the team had a collective batting average of .242 which ranked 24th.... The year before they had a collective batting average of .265 which was ranked 8th in MLB... They fell 16 places... AS A TEAM... I think the comment about it being short sighted is null and void as that is for the entire season... pitching, I didn't have an issue with, but the hitting was horrendous...

There's enough blame to go around for a teams poor hitting from the coaches to the front office but this year most of it had to do with just having to many Marv Thornberrys on the team.

 

[yankeesince59]

"this year most of it had to do with just having to many Marv Thornberrys on the team."

...^^^well, it's about fucking time.

 

[Hammerojustice]

There's enough blame to go around for a teams poor hitting from the coaches to the front office but this year most of it had to do with just having to many Marv Thornberrys on the team.

ok... I had to look him up... before my time and all...

 

[vette322]

I would like to see Girardi return - I think he's earned another contract with this team. However, it will not be the Yankees decision - it is Girardi's, and I believe that the tug of the Cubs job in his home town might sway him.

Look at this way: 1) Girardi has already won a WS title as a manager; 2) The Yankees are no longer the automatic playoff team they have been the last 20 years (and with Cashman returning - who would trust that he can fix anything, when the current state his largely his fault any way), 3) Girardi is from Chicago and is only 48, so it's not like he's not too old to take a shot elsewhere, and 4) It has been well over 100 years since the Cubs won - if he was THE guy who broke the drought - he would be legend. Now - he's just another manager who won a WS with the MLB's most successful franchise.

 

[yankeesince59]

...Girardi said he and his family are happy in Westchester and just built a new home there. I think he either stays with the Yanx or goes to the broadcast booth.

 

[Majorball]

I have a problem sometimes with Girardi and his lineups and his loyalty to Stewart. With that said, If Joe Maddon managed here there would be an uprising lol. I want Joe back, there is nobody better available and who brings the class to the job like Joe. This year is solely on Cashman and injuries. This is a very important 90 days for this organization.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Really...your going to compare team batting averages when the same roster wasn't in play.

OK, I’ll compare that to the actual stats of the "regulars" to the 2nd/3rd stringers. I’ll be your huckleberry…

NAME GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS
Robinson Cano 160 605 81 190 41 0 27 107 312 65 85 7 .314 .383 .516 .899
Brett Gardner 145 539 81 147 33 10 8 52 224 52 127 24 .273 .344 .416 .759
Ichiro Suzuki 150 520 57 136 15 3 7 35 178 26 63 20 .262 .297 .342 .639
Eduardo Nunez 90 304 38 79 17 4 3 28 113 20 51 10 .260 .307 .372 .679
Alfonso Soriano 58 219 37 56 8 0 17 50 115 21 67 8 .256 .325 .525 .850
Alex Rodriguez 44 156 21 38 7 0 7 19 66 23 43 4 .244 .348 .423 .771
Curtis Granderson 61 214 31 49 13 2 7 15 87 27 69 8 .229 .317 .407 .723
Kevin Youkilis 28 105 12 23 7 0 2 8 36 8 31 0 .219 .305 .343 .648
Chris Stewart 109 294 28 62 6 0 4 25 80 30 49 4 .211 .293 .272 .566
Austin Romine 60 135 15 28 9 0 1 10 40 8 37 1 .207 .255 .296 .551
Derek Jeter 17 63 8 12 1 0 1 7 16 8 10 0 .190 .288 .254 .542
Mark Teixeira 15 53 5 8 1 0 3 12 18 8 19 0 .151 .270 .340 .609

OK, those players had had a BA of 0.258. That is better by 0.016. OBP for this group of 12 was 0.326 (only 0.019 better) and if all 12 had 162 games (which is impossible, but I’ll indulge you) you get 203 HR, but again, that is 1,944 games out of a possible 1,458 (162x9). So, realistically, that number would be about 152 HR. So that is a gain of 8 HR’s. That’s it…

Took out the following that had significant/somewhat significant time:
NAME GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS
Lyle Overbay 142 445 43 107 24 1 14 59 175 36 111 2 .240 .295 .393 .688
Mark Reynolds 36 110 15 26 6 0 6 19 50 8 31 0 .236 .300 .455 .755
Jayson Nix 87 267 32 63 9 1 3 24 83 24 80 13 .236 .308 .311 .619
Zoilo Almonte 34 106 9 25 4 0 1 9 32 6 19 3 .236 .274 .302 .576
Vernon Wells 130 424 45 99 16 0 11 50 148 30 73 7 .233 .282 .349 .631
Travis Hafner 82 262 31 53 8 1 12 37 99 32 79 2 .202 .301 .378 .679
David Adams 43 140 10 27 5 1 2 13 40 9 43 0 .193 .252 .286 .537
J.R. Murphy 16 26 3 4 1 0 0 1 5 1 9 0 .154 .185 .192 .377
Ben Francisco 21 44 4 5 0 0 1 1 8 5 11 0 .114 .220 .182 .402

OK, those players had had a BA of 0.224. That is worse by 0.018. NOT that much… OBP for this group of 9 was 0.287 (only 0.020 worse) and if all 9 had 162 games (which wouldn’t be the case as these are the backups) you get just over 123 HR, but again, they are backups... So that is a loss of 21 HR’s. That’s it for a bunch of 2nd/3rd string players… that is a 29 HR swing in all… BA would improve by just 0.034… really not much when you consider the stars vs. 2nd/3rd stringers… OBP improved by only 0.039. Again, really not that much…

 

[Hammerojustice]

...Girardi said he and his family are happy in Westchester and just built a new home there. I think he either stays with the Yanx or goes to the broadcast booth.

I think he stays in managing no matter what... maybe in 20 years he might go into broadcasting, but not now

 

[Majorball]

OK, I’ll compare that to the actual stats of the "regulars" to the 2nd/3rd stringers. I’ll be your huckleberry…

NAME GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS
Robinson Cano 160 605 81 190 41 0 27 107 312 65 85 7 .314 .383 .516 .899
Brett Gardner 145 539 81 147 33 10 8 52 224 52 127 24 .273 .344 .416 .759
Ichiro Suzuki 150 520 57 136 15 3 7 35 178 26 63 20 .262 .297 .342 .639
Eduardo Nunez 90 304 38 79 17 4 3 28 113 20 51 10 .260 .307 .372 .679
Alfonso Soriano 58 219 37 56 8 0 17 50 115 21 67 8 .256 .325 .525 .850
Alex Rodriguez 44 156 21 38 7 0 7 19 66 23 43 4 .244 .348 .423 .771
Curtis Granderson 61 214 31 49 13 2 7 15 87 27 69 8 .229 .317 .407 .723
Kevin Youkilis 28 105 12 23 7 0 2 8 36 8 31 0 .219 .305 .343 .648
Chris Stewart 109 294 28 62 6 0 4 25 80 30 49 4 .211 .293 .272 .566
Austin Romine 60 135 15 28 9 0 1 10 40 8 37 1 .207 .255 .296 .551
Derek Jeter 17 63 8 12 1 0 1 7 16 8 10 0 .190 .288 .254 .542
Mark Teixeira 15 53 5 8 1 0 3 12 18 8 19 0 .151 .270 .340 .609

OK, those players had had a BA of 0.258. That is better by 0.016. OBP for this group of 12 was 0.326 (only 0.019 better) and if all 12 had 162 games (which is impossible, but I’ll indulge you) you get 203 HR, but again, that is 1,944 games out of a possible 1,458 (162x9). So, realistically, that number would be about 152 HR. So that is a gain of 8 HR’s. That’s it…

Took out the following that had significant/somewhat significant time:
NAME GP AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB BA OBP SLG OPS
Lyle Overbay 142 445 43 107 24 1 14 59 175 36 111 2 .240 .295 .393 .688
Mark Reynolds 36 110 15 26 6 0 6 19 50 8 31 0 .236 .300 .455 .755
Jayson Nix 87 267 32 63 9 1 3 24 83 24 80 13 .236 .308 .311 .619
Zoilo Almonte 34 106 9 25 4 0 1 9 32 6 19 3 .236 .274 .302 .576
Vernon Wells 130 424 45 99 16 0 11 50 148 30 73 7 .233 .282 .349 .631
Travis Hafner 82 262 31 53 8 1 12 37 99 32 79 2 .202 .301 .378 .679
David Adams 43 140 10 27 5 1 2 13 40 9 43 0 .193 .252 .286 .537
J.R. Murphy 16 26 3 4 1 0 0 1 5 1 9 0 .154 .185 .192 .377
Ben Francisco 21 44 4 5 0 0 1 1 8 5 11 0 .114 .220 .182 .402

OK, those players had had a BA of 0.224. That is worse by 0.018. NOT that much… OBP for this group of 9 was 0.287 (only 0.020 worse) and if all 9 had 162 games (which wouldn’t be the case as these are the backups) you get just over 123 HR, but again, they are backups... So that is a loss of 21 HR’s. That’s it for a bunch of 2nd/3rd string players… that is a 29 HR swing in all… BA would improve by just 0.034… really not much when you consider the stars vs. 2nd/3rd stringers… OBP improved by only 0.039. Again, really not that much…

Good point hammer, and your reference to Val Kilmer's line in Tombstone was additional points.

 

[yankeesince59]

I think he stays in managing no matter what... maybe in 20 years he might go into broadcasting, but not now

...he's made a few references how much he's enjoyed the time he's spent in the booth so far and it has been mentioned that he may just take off a years to weigh his options while in broadcasting...of course it could just be a ruse to leverage more money from his suitors.

 

[Rick2583]

I'd love to see him replace that clown Cone who IMO is one of the worse guys we've ever had in the booth. Pinella is also terrible.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Good point hammer, and your reference to Val Kilmer's line in Tombstone was additional points.

Thank you

 

[Hammerojustice]

...he's made a few references how much he's enjoyed the time he's spent in the booth so far and it has been mentioned that he may just take off a years to weigh his options while in broadcasting...of course it could just be a ruse to leverage more money from his suitors.

was not aware of that. Interesting