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[Chris Craig]

Small town boy from Wisconsin meets beautiful girl from Peru. They fall in love. They get married. They return from honeymoon in Puerto Rico. Woman is detained by ICE, put in internment. All the money they had saved for a new house gone in legal bills.
He voted for Trump. Never thought face eating leopard party would eat his face.

Wouldn't she be a citizen if they got married?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wouldn't she be a citizen if they got married?

No. They would still have to go through the naturalization process.

 

[crandc]

No. They would still have to go through the naturalization process.

Yes. They had begun the process. She has been vetted. They had to a two year relationship before they married. She had originally come on student visa but overstayed due to Covid and restrictions on travel.

To Trump just another scary brown person.

 

[riverman]

Yes. They had begun the process. She has been vetted. They had to a two year relationship before they married. She had originally come on student visa but overstayed due to Covid and restrictions on travel.

To Trump just another scary brown person.

I'm going to push back a bit on this. I'm for open borders but if my wife even overstayed her green card let alone visa before she became a citizen, she would've been deported under Obama or any administration as would I if I overstayed my Taiwanese residence card. That's not a product of Trump's racism, although he is a racist. The guy should have legally guaranteed his fiance and got her student visa extended, which is not difficult to do. That's on the couple, not the law. Trump is illegally deporting legal residents in America but this couple is not one of those cases...she didn't renew her visa. I've seen plenty of white people kicked out of countries for the same thing. They can both go to Peru and get married and apply for her green card at the embassy there...no ICE agents are going to bother her in her homeland. Nobody is going to be safe here with expired papers anymore with the GOP police state being heavily funded.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Wouldn't she be a citizen if they got married?

Just a Green Card.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The right is taking notice... Why can't the left?

 

[crandc]

Don't know if couple dropped the ball. Possibly. But this man voted for Trump because he wanted deportation. Of other people's families.

 

[crandc]

Trump insisting in court he has absolute right to deport anyone without any due process to extrajudicial dark sites in foreign countries. He does not need to provide any evidence against the people deported or even release names. Not only no evidence of crime, they could be US citizens.

DOJ told judge they need not comply with judicial orders.

Trump calling for impeachment of judge, appointed by Obama, now saying Obama wasn't actually president because he didn't win! Also any judge who rules against him should be impeached.

Republicans in Senate began articles of impeachment against judge.

King George III made no such claims.

John Roberts issued a rebuke. But he already ruled Trump has absolute immunity. So why should Trump listen to him?

 

[Chris Craig]

Trump insisting in court he has absolute right to deport anyone without any due process to extrajudicial dark sites in foreign countries. He does not need to provide any evidence against the people deported or even release names. Not only no evidence of crime, they could be US citizens.

DOJ told judge they need not comply with judicial orders.

Trump calling for impeachment of judge, appointed by Obama, now saying Obama wasn't actually president because he didn't win! Also any judge who rules against him should be impeached.

Republicans in Senate began articles of impeachment against judge.

King George III made no such claims.

John Roberts issued a rebuke. But he already ruled Trump has absolute immunity. So why should Trump listen to him?

Roberts trying to save his own ass. He knows if Trump is allowed to take judges power away eventually his power could be taken. He realizes if other judges can be impeached, so can he.

 

[crandc]

ICE confirmed "most" of the people deported without due process to indefinite detention in brutal Central American prison have never been charged with, let alone convicted of, any crime.

 

[crandc]

Social Security will now require new and existing recipients to provide identity checks. Those unable to do so on line, and most Social Security recipients are elderly and/or disabled, must go in person to office.
Staffing is currently at 50 year low and President Musk plans to lay off thousands of social security workers and close dozens of centers. Some recipients, elderly and disabled, will have to travel 300 miles to get to an office. And currently there is a month waiting period for an appointment.

To directly cut Social Security benefits or throw people off is too politically toxic even for President Musk and co President. So they do so indirectly.

An audit last year showed fraud virtually nonexistent. More than 99% of Social Security payments are legitimate. This enforcement will cost millions of dollars.

And after Social Security is wrecked, they will say it's terrible and needs to be privatized. Which was the plan all along.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The right is taking notice... Why can't the left?

Anybody who thought Trump was going to (in any way) increase peace or cooperation was absolutely joking themselves.

It's going to be a real fucking mess over there and a lot of people are going to suffer and die. They're going to make Gaza a parking lot. And then they're going to build it into exactly what Trump wants.

There's literally nothing the left can do right now to help Gaza. Anybody who wanted to help Gaza should have voted against Trump. Even if that meant pinching their nose and voting for a candidate they didn't necessarily like. Any non-MAGA candidate was absolutely 100% better than Trump (since Trump is the real threat to start WW3).

 

[crandc]

Pentagon restored page on Jackie Robinson. Sort of. Deleted large sections of his biography and added race had nothing to do with his accomplishments.
He was court martailed for refusing to sit in back of bus and called n word repeatedly during hearing. And what exactly did he do that made him nationally famous? Nothing to do with race?

 

[Chris Craig]

Pentagon restored page on Jackie Robinson. Sort of. Deleted large sections of his biography and added race had nothing to do with his accomplishments.
He was court martailed for refusing to sit in back of bus and called n word repeatedly during hearing. And what exactly did he do that made him nationally famous? Nothing to do with race?

Trying to rewrite history, but history remains

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Anybody who thought Trump was going to (in any way) increase peace or cooperation was absolutely joking themselves.

It's going to be a real fucking mess over there and a lot of people are going to suffer and die. They're going to make Gaza a parking lot. And then they're going to build it into exactly what Trump wants.

There's literally nothing the left can do right now to help Gaza. Anybody who wanted to help Gaza should have voted against Trump. Even if that meant pinching their nose and voting for a candidate they didn't necessarily like. Any non-MAGA candidate was absolutely 100% better than Trump (since Trump is the real threat to start WW3).

I don't blame them for trying because under Biden, the same shit was happening if not worse. They took their shot hoping for something different and while they've gotten a ceasefire, it was all for show.

The left could have helped Gaza and won the election but their Zionist donors didn't want that and they obeyed. There was plenty the left could have done to help Gaza. lol

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't blame them for trying because under Biden, the same shit was happening if not worse. They took their shot hoping for something different and while they've gotten a ceasefire, it was all for show.

The left could have helped Gaza and won the election but their Zionist donors didn't want that and they obeyed. There was plenty the left could have done to help Gaza. lol

There was plenty the left could have done. Unfortunately we didn't vote a left president into office. We voted Biden in instead.

But even Biden was doing far more than the right (and especially Trump) will do to help Gaza. Trump will actively help step on Gaza. As everyone who knows anything about American politics was saying since long before the election.

Allowing Trump to win was dooming Gaza to this fate. Anybody who didn't do everything possible to prevent Trump from winning was specifically asking for this exact scenario and worse.

And make no mistake, it will get worse.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

There was plenty the left could have done. Unfortunately we didn't vote a left president into office. We voted Biden in instead.

But even Biden was doing far more than the right (and especially Trump) will do to help Gaza. Trump will actively help step on Gaza. As everyone who knows anything about American politics was saying since long before the election.

Allowing Trump to win was dooming Gaza to this fate. Anybody who didn't do everything possible to prevent Trump from winning was specifically asking for this exact scenario and worse.

And make no mistake, it will get worse.

Biden did more to kill Palestinians, yes. Kamala had every opportunity to communicate how she would be different and didn't and lost because of it.

It's pretty evil to see Democratic voters who didn't care about the genocide say Kamala could win without doing a single thing different and then bring it up now in glee because they hate Trump.

A genocide of an entire population will always be more important than who gets to be the sitting puppet for the oligarchs for 4 years.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Biden did more to kill Palestinians, yes. Kamala had every opportunity to communicate how she would be different and didn't and lost because of it.

It's pretty evil to see Democratic voters who didn't care about the genocide say Kamala could win without doing a single thing different and then bring it up now in glee because they hate Trump.

A genocide of an entire population will always be more important than who gets to be the sitting puppet for the oligarchs for 4 years.

The people who took that stance and refused to vote for the person who had the best chance of keeping Trump out of office encouraged what we're seeing now.

This is literally what they asked for. They are on record as voting for this. Or they are on record as refusing to vote.

I understand being principled. But this was beyond principle. I'm devastated by what I'm seeing in Gaza and Ukraine. But there is literally nothing I can do about it right now.

We had a chance to do something about it in November and a lot of people refused.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The people who took that stance and refused to vote for the person who had the best chance of keeping Trump out of office encouraged what we're seeing now.

This is literally what they asked for. They are on record as voting for this. Or they are on record as refusing to vote.

I understand being principled. But this was beyond principle. I'm devastated by what I'm seeing in Gaza and Ukraine. But there is literally nothing I can do about it right now.

We had a chance to do something about it in November and a lot of people refused.

Acting like you care now because Trump took power when you made all the excuses in the world as to why Biden had to do it shows your true colors. People who made excuses for Biden and Kamala enabling a genocide is why you have Trump now.

Maybe next time you'll get on the right side of history.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Acting like you care now because Trump took power when you made all the excuses in the world as to why Biden had to do it shows your true colors. People who made excuses for Biden and Kamala enabling a genocide is why you have Trump now.

Maybe next time you'll get on the right side of history.

Whatever helps you square with your decisions. I voted against authoritarian genocide.

Never once did Biden say he was going to turn Gaza into a US-owned resort. Neither did Kamala.

 

[barfo]

Acting like you care now because Trump took power when you made all the excuses in the world as to why Biden had to do it shows your true colors. People who made excuses for Biden and Kamala enabling a genocide is why you have Trump now.

Maybe next time you'll get on the right side of history.

There was an election in November 2024. Many people made the wrong choice at that time. Perhaps next time they'll get on the right side of history.

barfo

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Whatever helps you square with your decisions. I voted against authoritarian genocide.

No, you voted for it when you voted for Kamala who said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden and proceeded to talk about egg prices.

Never once did Biden say he was going to turn Gaza into a US-owned resort. Neither did Kamala.

I don't care what Biden said or didn't say. The blood of thousands are on his hands as much, if not more than Trump.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

There was an election in November 2024. Many people made the wrong choice at that time. Perhaps next time they'll get on the right side of history.

barfo

Or perhaps Democratic voters won't repeat the "blue no matter who mantra" and instead push their officials to do the right thing morally AND electorally.

 

[Phatguysrule]

No, you voted for it when you voted for Kamala who said she wouldn't do anything different than Biden and proceeded to talk about egg prices.

I don't care what Biden said or didn't say. The blood of thousands are on his hands as much, if not more than Trump.

So you prefer Trump encouraging the destruction of Gaza and building a US-owned resort rather than Biden applying political pressure in an attempt to get Israel to stop attacking Gaza?

I simply disagree. I'm no fan of Biden. And I wasn't really a fan of Kamala either. But I prefer their stance over Trump's.

*Edit* But yeah. That was the question we were asked in November. And now we have what we have. It sucks. But here we are

 

[Sheldon Shape]

So you prefer Trump encouraging the destruction of Gaza and building a US-owned resort rather than Biden applying political pressure in an attempt to get Israel to stop attacking Gaza?

My dude, there is a record of Biden on Gaza. We don't have to lie about it. We don't need to quote something he said. He did what he did. Let's stop lying to ourselves and others about what he was "trying" to do. As it stands now, he has more blood on his hands than Trump. Will that change? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. I didn't vote for Trump so there's nothing to defend. I don't prefer either one, that's why I didn't vote for either one.

I simply disagree. I'm no fan of Biden. And I wasn't really a fan of Kamala either. But I prefer their stance over Trump's.

When we're arguing which one you'd rather have out of shooting your own hand or shooting your own dick, I think we've lost the plot of it all. They both suck ass and they are both controlled by Israel. Stop trying to whitewash the previous administration just because this one sucks ass.

*Edit* But yeah. That was the question we were asked in November. And now we have what we have. It sucks. But here we are

It does suck. But most level headed people don't want to pick between two morally reprehensible options. When you're debating which version of genocide is less bad then you're already lost. Let the two party system burn to the ground because neither side is trying to help the people.

 

[Phatguysrule]

My dude, there is a record of Biden on Gaza. We don't have to lie about it. We don't need to quote something he said. He did what he did. Let's stop lying to ourselves and others about what he was "trying" to do. As it stands now, he has more blood on his hands than Trump. Will that change? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. I didn't vote for Trump so there's nothing to defend. I don't prefer either one, that's why I didn't vote for either one.



When we're arguing which one you'd rather have out of shooting your own hand or shooting your own dick, I think we've lost the plot of it all. They both suck ass and they are both controlled by Israel. Stop trying to whitewash the previous administration just because this one sucks ass.



It does suck. But most level headed people don't want to pick between two morally reprehensible options. When you're debating which version of genocide is less bad then you're already lost. Let the two party system burn to the ground because neither side is trying to help the people.

Well, you got what you voted for. Enjoy it

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Well, you got what you voted for. Enjoy it

I'm not the one crying about Trump on this board a hundred times a day. You are. I didn't vote for Trump any more than you did.

And if you're relying on one vote from the Democratic state of California then you're already fucked.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm not the one crying about Trump on this board a hundred times a day. You are. I didn't vote for Trump any more than you did.

Do you realize what thread this is? You literally posted a video complaining about Trump and MAGA...

And if you're relying on one vote from the Democratic state of California then you're already fucked.

I was relying on every vote possible for the person who was best equipped to keep Trump out of office.

Those who preached about voting third party convinced others to vote third party or to not vote at all.

I just hope all of those people have learned their lesson and I hope we retain enough democracy that someday they have the opportunity to vote accordingly to keep the next authoritarian piece of shit out of office.

Burning it down isn't a good response to not getting your way.

 

[barfo]

Parent in Texas whose kid died of measles still doesn't think measles vaccine is a good idea.
Husband whose wife Trump deported doesn't regret his vote for Trump.
Some people are just not very good at learning.

barfo

 

[crandc]

Parent in Texas whose kid died of measles still doesn't think measles vaccine is a good idea.
Husband whose wife Trump deported doesn't regret his vote for Trump.
Some people are just not very good at learning.

barfo

A million Americans died during Covid and voters out incompetent back in office.