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AmirIcon said:
Thanks for the clarification.

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We gotta change our system. Gotta get money out.

AIPAC has given Chuck over $1.5 million. It's given Trump something like 5-10 times as much in the last 5-ish years.

Elon has given Trump like $350 million.

Bezos gave a reporter $100 million...
 
Executive order that federal contractors may now have segregated facilities. Erase 20th century. Not surprising Apartheid Elon likes the idea of whites only.
 
Participants in text messaging now saying no classified information. A Senator said in that case will they release transcripts?

Defense is to blame journalist.

Trump doesn't know if it was classified but it's fake news because he had perfect two months. As perfect as his threatening phone calls to Georgia Secretary of State and President Zelenskyy.
 
Also, CIA Director was unaware one of the participants in the chat was actually in Russia.
 
Strenuus said:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/24/politics/yemen-strikes-journalist-cabinet-signal-chat/index.html

Only the best. How do you fuck up that bad and send missle strike stuff OVER TEXT IN THE FIRST PLACE and then to a freaking journalist. Just wow.
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NSA warned of vulnerabilities in Signal app a month before Houthi strike chat

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The National Security Agency sent out an operational security special bulletin to its employees in February 2025 warning them of vulnerabilities in using the encrypted messaging application Signal, according to internal NSA documents obtained by CBS News.

News of the NSA bulletin comes amid the continued fallout from an explosive article published Monday in The Atlantic. The publication's editor-in-chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, detailed how Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth inadvertently disclosed war plans to him in an encrypted Signal chat group two hours before the U.S. military launched attacks against Houthi militia in Yemen. Goldberg wrote that Hegseth's messages included "precise information about weapons packages, targets, and timing."

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Goldberg just released the texts. It’s funny. They’re chatting it up like it’s a video game.

Also funny Trump isn’t in the loop.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The problem is that anybody with the means can control our system.

Focusing on anything else is counterproductive for us.
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Except every war we've started in the past 25 years has been exclusively for Israel.

Focusing on this is not counterproductive but you do you.

And yes, at least one of them is almost certainly getting people deported because he doesn't like them.
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Do you have evidence of this?
 
AmirIcon said:
Except every war we've started in the past 25 years has been exclusively for Israel.

Focusing on this is not counterproductive but you do you.
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I disagree. Focusing on these specific things rather than overall agenda that would solve these things leads to fracture on the left.

This empowers Republicans, and is why a piece of shit like Trump can win.


Do you have evidence of this?
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Musk has given $350 million to Trump...
 
Phatguysrule said:
I disagree. Focusing on these specific things rather than overall agenda that would solve these things leads to fracture on the left.

This empowers Republicans, and is why a piece of shit like Trump can win.



Musk has given $350 million to Trump...
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Who did he get deported?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Trump winning allowed the deportation *attempt* you posted above. Made possible by funding provided by Musk.
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That's an indirect result. Not the same as Israel funding the politicians and then doing away with the first amendment by deporting people.
 
AmirIcon said:
That's an indirect result. Not the same as Israel funding the politicians and then doing away with the first amendment by deporting people.
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That sounds pretty indirect too.

barfo
 
AmirIcon said:
Sounds like you have a different definition of the word "indirect."
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It would be direct if Israel itself deported people from the US.
What you describe is at least 3 steps:
1) Israel funds politicians
2) politicians look the other way
3) ICE deports people

That seems at least as indirect as:
1) Musk buys election for Trump
2) Trump signs executive orders about immigration
3) ICE deports people

barfo
 
barfo said:
It would be direct if Israel itself deported people from the US.
What you describe is at least 3 steps:
1) Israel funds politicians
2) politicians look the other way
3) ICE deports people

That seems at least as indirect as:
1) Musk buys election for Trump
2) Trump signs executive orders about immigration
3) ICE deports people

barfo
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What does counting steps have anything to do with it? Look at intent and result.

We don't even know if it is Americans abducting Americans or if they are Israeli. Or someone else.

Elon does not fund the president to exile Americans from the country.

Israel does. Israel is dictating this policy and if you don't think so, you're quite naive.
 
AmirIcon said:
What does counting steps have anything to do with it? Look at intent and result.

We don't even know if it is Americans abducting Americans or if they are Israeli. Or someone else.

Elon does not fund the president to exile Americans from the country.

Israel does. Israel is dictating this policy and if you don't think so, you're quite naive.
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I think they both fund the president for their own selfish reasons.

We should be strictly ensuring none of our elected leaders are tempted to engage in such exchanges.

That should be the focus because far more people agree to the overall goal than about Israel or Musk.

We can definitely use these as examples, however, the focus should be on systemic changes. Anything less will doom us to more crazy Republican leadership.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I think they both fund the president for their own selfish reasons.

We should be strictly ensuring none of our elected leaders are tempted to engage in such exchanges.

That should be the focus because far more people agree to the overall goal than about Israel or Musk.

We can definitely use these as examples, however, the focus should be on systemic changes. Anything less will doom us to more crazy Republican leadership.
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We need to identify that our foreign policy is being run by Israel, regardless of the president in power. It would be absolute negligence if we didn't.

 
When asked by a reporter about four American service members missing in Lithuania, Trump knew nothing about it, next question. He had spent day rage tweeting because a federal building in Colorado hung up an unflattering portrait of him.

Imagine Benghazi, and President Obama saying he knew nothing about dead Americans, next question, and don't ever use unflattering picture of him. How long to impeachment?
 
AmirIcon said:
We need to identify that our foreign policy is being run by Israel, regardless of the president in power. It would be absolute negligence if we didn't.

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Our foreign policy is being run *in coordination with* Israel. They are a very close ally. At least historically. You may be right that they are running it now. But if they are it's because they are taking advantage of our corrupt system.

We need to eliminate the ability for capital to personally influence our elected leaders and then we'll be more able to elect leaders we can trust to manage that relationship better.

Just hating on people or countries for taking advantage of our broken system without actually fixing the broken parts is just insane.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Our foreign policy is being run *in coordination with* Israel. They are a very close ally. At least historically. You may be right that they are running it now. But if they are it's because they are taking advantage of our corrupt system.

We need to eliminate the ability for capital to personally influence our elected leaders and then we'll be more able to elect leaders we can trust to manage that relationship better.

Just hating on people or countries for taking advantage of our broken system without actually fixing the broken parts is just insane.
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You keep saying "hating." Is that projection? Should Americans be joyous that a foreign country is bleeding our resources dry in the name of apartheid and genocide?

Sounds like you want to fix the problem without naming it which is just naive and infantile.

You're so scared of naming Israel as a problem because you're scared of being labeled "antiemetic." Then what they wanted has worked.
 
AmirIcon said:
We had a good run, y'all...

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Wait a minute......we just spent the last four years hearing the Republicans whine incessantly about Biden's full out assault on the First Amendment and now they try to foist this latest indignation (and illegal act) on us???? Nothing like an oligarchy masquerading as a religious autocracy......with a megadose of hypocrisy on the side.......where are the fucking adults?? Oh wait, they moved to Canada........
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Wait a minute......we just spent the last four years hearing the Republicans whine incessantly about Biden's full out assault on the First Amendment and now they try to foist this latest indignation (and illegal act) on us???? Nothing like an oligarchy masquerading as a religious autocracy......with a megadose of hypocrisy on the side.......where are the fucking adults?? Oh wait, they moved to Canada........
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Do we have any doubt this would be happening under a Democratic administration right now? They were already starting roundups under Biden too. Thankfully many on the right (and left) are awakening and hopefully uniting on this issue. It's sickening.
 
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