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barfo said:
Well, enjoy it while it lasts, it won't be forever (assuming he doesn't repeal the 22nd).



What are unelected career politicians?

barfo
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People who are appointed to government jobs.
 
barfo said:
Appointments aren't career positions - aside from judges, I guess.

barfo
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LOL. Just wrong.

My uncle is a life long federal employee. He's worked through at least 6 administrations, reporting to the undersecretary of HHS. He is appointed.

There are 1.9M federal civilian workers who have lifetime jobs and overly generous pension and other benefits.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/labor/237673-end-life-tenure-for-federal-employees

Strictly speaking, federal workers can be fired for poor performance. The Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 lays out the process in law, which is further spelled out in reams of Office of Personnel and agency-specific regulations. An employee must have regular performance assessments and must be encouraged to help set performance standards. Those who do not perform well must be given notice, meetings must be held to discuss performance and under-performers must be given help and opportunities to improve. Before an employee can be fired or even demoted, he is entitled to be represented by an attorney. It takes six months to a year, according to GAO, to get rid of a bad fed, and this usually occurs with new hires.

Managers who take issue with an employee’s performance may face reprisal in the form of accusations of discrimination or creating a hostile work environment. This partly explains why so few feds are removed from their jobs; he process is paper-work heavy and grueling.

Unions exist to protect their members. But a “due process” system that produces guaranteed lifetime employment benefits nobody.

...

The feeling of guaranteed lifetime employment has insidious effects. Workers grow comfortable and see little reason to push themselves or keep their skills and resumes market competitive. At some point, they realize they are stuck: bored in their current jobs but uncompetitive in the job market. They become clock-watchers, waiting for the opportunity to retire.
 
Denny Crane said:
LOL. Just wrong.

My uncle is a life long federal employee. He's worked through at least 6 administrations, reporting to the undersecretary of HHS. He is appointed.

There are 1.9M federal civilian workers who have lifetime jobs and overly generous pension and other benefits.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/labor/237673-end-life-tenure-for-federal-employees
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I guess we are just engaged in a debate about semantics.

By your language I am a politician with a lifetime appointment to my private-sector job, since I got hired and now it would be difficult to fire me.

That article is just complaining (with justification in my opinion) about how hard it is to fire federal employees.

barfo
 
From the "you can't fucking make this up files" the 8th person at the meeting was a confirmed russian money launderer.

If I were Donny Jr I would forget to mention him too.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
From the "you can't fucking make this up files" the 8th person at the meeting was a confirmed russian money launderer.

If I were Donny Jr I would forget to mention him too.
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In a nine-month inquiry that subpoenaed bank records, the investigators found that an unknown number of Russians and other East Europeans moved more than $1.4 billion through accounts at Citibank of New York and the Commercial Bank of San Francisco.

The accounts had been opened by Irakly Kaveladze, who immigrated to the United States from Russia in 1991, according to Citibank and Mr. Kaveladze. He set up more than 2,000 corporations in Delaware for Russian brokers and then opened the bank accounts for them, without knowing who owned the corporations, according to the report by the General Accounting Office, which has not been made public.

The report said the banks had failed to conduct any ''due diligence'' into identifying the owners of the accounts.


Late this afternoon, Citibank sent a 15-page letter to the G.A.O., saying that it had closed the accounts after being contacted by G.A.O. investigators earlier this year.


''It is clear in hindsight that our systems and tracking procedures were not sufficient to detect the nature and extent of his relationship with us,'' the bank said, referring to Mr. Kaveladze. The letter, signed by the general counsel, Michael A. Ross, for the Global Consumer Business at Citigroup Inc., went on, ''Given enhancements to our systems and procedures, we are confident that we would detect questionable activity and take action more promptly should a similar situation arise today.''

The bank said outside counsel had been brought in to review the matter after being alerted by the G.A.O, and that ''no illegal activity in the Kaveladze-related accounts'' had been found.

In an interview, Mr. Kaveladze said he had engaged in no wrongdoing. He described the G.A.O. investigation as a ''witch hunt.''

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2000/11/29/business/laundering-of-money-seen-as-easy.html
 
Hey, if the Trump campaign wants to meet with money launderers, it is surely their right to do so. They were just there to discuss adoptions, after all.

And what about Benghazi?

barfo
 
SlyPokerDog said:
From the "you can't fucking make this up files"
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From the "you can't fucking make this up files" part 2:

Trump and the russian money launderer both use the same lawyer.

Hahahahahahahaha!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
From the "you can't fucking make this up files" part 2:

Trump and the russian money launderer both use the same lawyer.

Hahahahahahahaha!
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Oh wait, my bad. This has all been explained now. According to the money launderers attorney he was only there to act as a 2nd translator.
 
barfo said:
I guess we are just engaged in a debate about semantics.

By your language I am a politician with a lifetime appointment to my private-sector job, since I got hired and now it would be difficult to fire me.

That article is just complaining (with justification in my opinion) about how hard it is to fire federal employees.

barfo
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The article talks about how the government is full of appointees who have lifetime jobs and are hard to get rid of. Governed, in reality, by unelected people.

I want to be a citizen. You want me to be a subject.

That's always been the difference.
 
Double standard. Tell me Trump's war on the media justifies the media not doing its job again.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/...ld-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html

If Donald Trump Targets Journalists, Thank Obama

Criticism of Mr. Obama’s stance on press freedom, government transparency and secrecy is hotly disputed by the White House, but many journalism groups say the record is clear. Over the past eight years, the administration has prosecuted nine cases involving whistle-blowers and leakers, compared with only three by all previous administrations combined. It has repeatedly used the Espionage Act, a relic of World War I-era red-baiting, not to prosecute spies but to go after government officials who talked to journalists.

Under Mr. Obama, the Justice Department and the F.B.I. have spied on reporters by monitoring their phone records, labeled one journalist an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal case for simply doing reporting and issued subpoenas to other reporters to try to force them to reveal their sources and testify in criminal cases.

I experienced this pressure firsthand when the administration tried to compel me to testify to reveal my confidential sources in a criminal leak investigation. The Justice Department finally relented — even though it had already won a seven-year court battle that went all the way to the Supreme Court to force me to testify — most likely because they feared the negative publicity that would come from sending a New York Times reporter to jail.
 
Denny Crane said:
The article talks about how the government is full of appointees who have lifetime jobs and are hard to get rid of. Governed, in reality, by unelected people.
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Other than making it easier to fire poor performers, are you advocating for some other change here? Do you want to directly elect all federal employees or something? That'd be a mighty long ballot.

barfo
 
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Denny Crane said:
Local elections matter a lot. How about we get rid of the centralized bloated bureaucracy?
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I see. Well, good luck with that. Anything else from the 19th century you want to go back to while we are at it?

barfo
 
These treads where Denny posts are interesting. It's like Denny has a barfo attached to his hull. But he can never quite completely scrape it off.
 
MarAzul said:
These treads where Denny posts are interesting. It's like Denny has a barfo attached to his hull. But he can never quite completely scrape it off.
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Shipwrecks do tend to accumulate a lot of barnacles. The SS Denny went aground years ago.


beached-by-a-cyclone-in-1935-the-remains-of-the-400-foot-ocean-liner-f23ndp.jpg

barfo
 
Shaboid said:
You can bring up the double standard as much as you want, but that doesn't make either party any more or less innocent.
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No, it doesn't. That's what should be reported, no?
 
barfo said:
I see. Well, good luck with that. Anything else from the 19th century you want to go back to while we are at it?

barfo
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I just prefer we don't turn into something like Venezuela. That's where your kind would have us go.
 
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