Don't want to sound like mixum but....

[magnifier661]

We are fucked if we don't make a deal. Besides Aldridge and Batum; our talent pool will take a huge nose dive this summer. Well I guess I can say e will too. Crawford walks, g wall will probably stay, leaving us with only 4-6 mil in cap space.

We need to make a decision before the deadline. Either we go in the direction of rebuilding and start trading players for picks or make a move to win now. Doing nothing will only hurt us. We won't have flexibility nor a winning percentage to entice free agents. In fact, we maybe the one destination teams will avoid like the plague. We gotta make a move!

Trade for picks or trade for wins? Thoughts?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Actually, even if Wallace stays, we'll probably have about 13M in cap space. I broke it down a couple weeks ago here.

That said, I agree with you. I think we're all on board for a rebuild at this point. If we can turn our not-so-dearly departing players into at least one promising young talent and a couple picks, we'll be much better off.

 

[Peaceman]

I hope we make a good trade, but I'm more worried that the organization will over react if we fire Nate and hire a lame coach like Mike D'Antoni. Offensive coachs don't ever win titles. Not that we are even close.
I'm hoping for a extra pick with a trade, and hiring JVG, or Spolatra if the Heat don't win the title.

 

[BBert]

I just want a coach who knows how to develop a point guard, coach a fast break, run a pick an roll, and defend a pick and roll. We're a long way from worrying about whether said coach can win a playoff series.

 

[magnifier661]

Actually, even if Wallace stays, we'll probably have about 13M in cap space. I broke it down a couple weeks ago here.

That said, I agree with you. I think we're all on board for a rebuild at this point. If we can turn our not-so-dearly departing players into at least one promising young talent and a couple picks, we'll be much better off.

Oh okay cool in terms of cap space. Im just tired of this Luke warm approach. There has to be a snl skit that hits the point.

 

[magnifier661]

I just want a coach who knows how to develop a point guard, coach a fast break, run a pick an roll, and defend a pick and roll. We're a long way from worrying about whether said coach can win a playoff series.

We need to fire now. We will suck now and probably not make the playoffs, but at least we show direction.

 

[Peaceman]

I just want a coach who knows how to develop a point guard, coach a fast break, run a pick an roll, and defend a pick and roll. We're a long way from worrying about whether said coach can win a playoff series.

I agree, except the coach needs to be a defensive minded coach. To take steps to win in a playoff series. I hope the Heat lose and we can hire Spolstra(sp). JVG if be would come, could teach our guys great position defense

 

[Blazinaway]

Mags, the more this goes on the more I think this is all part of PA getting ready to sell this summer, if not then its simply utter fukkin incompetence at the ownership/mgmt level

 

[HailBlazers]

If we can turn our not-so-dearly departing players into at least one promising young talent and a couple picks, we'll be much better off.

Disagree, sign Nash or a first Rate point guard, another Big, possibly a good spot up shooter, throw in a summer of practice with a coach that knows how to run an offense and this squad could be much much better than they're playing.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Disagree, sign Nash or a first Rate point guard, another Big, possibly a good spot up shooter, throw in a summer of practice with a coach that knows how to run an offense and this squad could be much much better than they're playing.

If the players would act as if they know what they're doing out on the basketball court, this squad could be much, much better - and in fact it was just a few months ago. I know it's fashionable to act as if we have the least talented roster in the league, but that just isn't so.

 

[Blaze01]

Disagree, sign Nash or a first Rate point guard, another Big, possibly a good spot up shooter, throw in a summer of practice with a coach that knows how to run an offense and this squad could be much much better than they're playing.

Dreeeeeaming......

 

[magnifier661]

Mags, the more this goes on the more I think this is all part of PA getting ready to sell this summer, if not then its simply utter fukkin incompetence at the ownership/mgmt level

I would agree with you until I remembered that the blazers are on the hook for the remainder of Roy's contract. That's an additional 16 mil of wasted money per year. Sounds small in comparison but it could be a deal breaker. I really think Portland has some shot at a good free agent. Maybe they believe in unicorns like I do.

 

[magnifier661]

If the players would act as if they know what they're doing out on the basketball court, this squad could be much, much better - and in fact it was just a few months ago. I know it's fashionable to act as if we have the least talented roster in the league, but that just isn't so.

If the players actually played like they have a shit, we would be much better than we are now. No pride, no heart and no leadership.

 

[magnifier661]

This needs to be on the blazer billboards. "Meh with us!"

 

[HailBlazers]

Dreeeeeaming......

Indeed.

 

[tlongII]

I think Wallace will exercise his option. I don't see why anyone would pay the dude 10M next year if he doesn't.

 

[magnifier661]

I think Wallace will exercise his option. I don't see why anyone would pay the dude 10M next year if he doesn't.

Yeah no way he gets a multi year worth more than 7 per. And I think he has another year to prove he's worth that much. Better risk to exercise, get your last payday and work hard for your next contract.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I think Wallace will exercise his option. I don't see why anyone would pay the dude 10M next year if he doesn't.

If he can get a lesser contract for a longer term (say a five year deal @7 or 8 per), he may take the jump. A long-term at a slightly lower rate is better than a short-term higher rate but unknown beyond that.

Gramps...

 

[magnifier661]

If he can get a lesser contract for a longer term (say a five year deal @7 or 8 per), he may take the jump. A long-term at a slightly lower rate is better than a short-term higher rate but unknown beyond that.

Gramps...

5 year deals don't exist anymore with the new cba. Basically he can get a 3 year deal from anyone other than blazers and a 4 year with blazers. So what if it's 7 per x 3 years = 21 mil or exercise and get 10 mil, then get a 3 year for 5 mil. That's 25 mil.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Disagree, sign Nash or a first Rate point guard, another Big, possibly a good spot up shooter, throw in a summer of practice with a coach that knows how to run an offense and this squad could be much much better than they're playing.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Disagree, sign Nash or a first Rate point guard, another Big, possibly a good spot up shooter, throw in a summer of practice with a coach that knows how to run an offense and this squad could be much much better than they're playing.

Your post and mine are not mutually exclusive. I still want to keep the core (Aldridge, Batum, Matthews, Williams); just jettison the flotsam (Felton, Crawford, Wallace, Camby) for something potentially useful in the future.

 

[magnifier661]

Your post and mine are not mutually exclusive. I still want to keep the core (Aldridge, Batum, Matthews, Williams); just jettison the flotsam (Felton, Crawford, Wallace, Camby) for something potentially useful in the future.

This is what I agree with as well. If we are going to try and rebuild, then we keep our youth and trade our older players for picks and or youth. We can't be in limbo. Either we shit or get off the pot.

 

[Rhal]

This is what I agree with as well. If we are going to try and rebuild, then we keep our youth and trade our older players for picks and or youth. We can't be in limbo. Either we shit or get off the pot.

There are a few problems we are running into. People do not want to give up picks without us taking back money. Something management appears uneasy to do with picks that are in the 20s. Teams are also very reluctant to give up first rounders in general, its not making a lot of sense to me but I think it could be because of the luxury tax rules having rookies that produce are going to have much greater value then they do now. The Luxury tax rules are making teams not want to take on a lot of money even if that money expires before the rules really kick in, which will be the year after next, and we apparently are in with that group or we want maximum money this off season.
Like it or not, and you can throw out any idea you want for the reason (PA selling the team ect), we are going for maximum cap space this summer to try and retool around both LA and Batum. The bad side of this is that there are a lot of teams with a lot of money and this years FA class isn't very good. People are going to be very overpaid and we have also never been a very big FA attraction.
The next two years near the trade deadline big contracts for overpaid fringe allstar players (Gay/Granger/Igoudala/Wallace ect) are going to be going on a fire sale because of how close to the brutual Luxury tax we will be. Most if not all teams really have there eye on that Tax increase. Thats what worries me the most about this summer, is that we are going to overpay decent players like they are good players and end up like the KG wolves, a decent team but never great because of huge contracts we can't get around for average players.
Since so much of this is up in the air and no long term plan has been revealed its hard to have faith in management that almost everyone on this board deems inept. I won't go as far as to say there are dark days ahead, but i'll go as far as to say we won't make a big deal and we will finish the season with what we have an enter the Lottery at a 10 or 11 pick. At this point all we can hope for is that management has a plan and one that isn't retarded.
I would also be remiss if I didn't add FIRE NATE before I have to shove a spork in my eye to have something slightly less painful to concentrate on every-time I watch a game.

 

[PapaG]

I hope we make a good trade, but I'm more worried that the organization will over react if we fire Nate and hire a lame coach like Mike D'Antoni. Offensive coachs don't ever win titles. Not that we are even close.
I'm hoping for a extra pick with a trade, and hiring JVG, or Spolatra if the Heat don't win the title.

If Spoelstra can't in a title with James, Wade, and Bosh, how in the world is he going to win one in Portland?

 

[B-Roy]

If Spoelstra can't in a title with James, Wade, and Bosh, how in the world is he going to win one in Portland?

Could you give him more than one year? You can't right? That's not how it works in PapaG land.