Dooling or Pargo?

[MarionBarberThe4th]

We 100% need another guard, once we dump MW and waive Ager. Lets say we can work out a S&T.(Orlando and NO can both use a big)


Im not sure how well Pargo would work w/ Harris. However, I do think Dooling would work well w/ Carter and Harris and would garner more minutes b/c of that.



Both should be asking for about the same. They had very similar stats, one thing is Dooling was much more efficient (47% to Pargos 39%).



Keyon Dooling
Orlando Magic
Position: G
Height: 6-3 Weight: 195
College: Missouri
Player file | Team stats
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 8.1
RPG 1.4
APG 1.8
SPG 0.5
BPG 0.1
FG% 0.468
FT% 0.845
3P% 0.338
MPG 18.5





Jannero Pargo
New Orleans Hornets
Position: G
Height: 6-1 Weight: 175
College: Arkansas
Player file | Team stats
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 8.1
RPG 1.6
APG 2.4
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.1
FG% 0.390
FT% 0.877
3P% 0.349
MPG 18.7



To whom it may concern:


Kareem Rush
Indiana Pacers
Position: G
Height: 6-6 Weight: 215
College: Missouri
Player file | Team stats
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 8.3
RPG 2.4
APG 1.3
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.3
FG% 0.401
FT% 0.714
3P% 0.389
MPG 21.2

 

[kk30]

dooling is better than Pargo but Dooling is going to be a little more expensive than Pargo. Either one is fine IMO. Hopefully we'll get one. Rush can't play the point and if we dump Marvin we'l need a back up point

 

[ghoti]

Forget the stats, Dooling is worlds better than Pargo.

Pargo is way overvalued right now because of all the time he got for the Hornets in the playoffs. He is a small, one-dimensional scorer and instant offense off the bench. He'll get at least five times what Jaycee Carroll will, and he's just not worth that.

Dooling is a perfect fit for the Nets. He was used a lot of different ways by the Magic because of all the trials they've had with their backcourt, but he did every job they had for him with aplomb. He's coming off his best season and will cost money, but it's much better spent on what he gives because he can do a lot more things than Pargo.

No matter what the Nets eventually become (and nobody knows that right now), he'll fit.

He can play the point, guard ones through threes very well, and even gives some scoring. He's a total pro. The Nets have been trying to get him for a long time.

 

[ZAE]

I wouldn't mind signing Jaycee Carroll instead of any of those guys. He'll be much cheaper and do the same things as they do. He doesn't have the experience but I think he's already 24.

 

[SeanWilliamsTheFuture51]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Jul 12 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't mind signing Jaycee Carroll instead of any of those guys. He'll be much cheaper and do the same things as they do. He doesn't have the experience but I think he's already 24, I think.</div>

hes not the best passer though i would like pargo

 

[go nets]

I like either Dooling or Pargo. I dont have a favorite, i guess because Dooling has the better FG% i would like him better.

I love Rush! If we could somehow afford to get him along with either Pargo or Dooling that would be awesome!

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ZAE @ Jul 12 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't mind signing Jaycee Carroll instead of any of those guys. He'll be much cheaper and do the same things as they do. He doesn't have the experience but I think he's already 24, I think.</div>

He's 25. Older than Nenad.

He's a good, cheap alternative to Pargo, but he's way too small to play the kind of defense Dooling plays.

 

[GrandKenyon6]

Getting Keyon Dooling should be the Nets' #1 priority. He is the ideal backup combo guard.

 

[imanetsfan]

if the nets get one of those it will probly be good enough to improve the bench..

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (imanetsfan @ Jul 12 2008, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>if the nets get one of those it will probly be good enough to improve the bench..</div>

Why do you think so?

 

[pegs]

Dooling is the man. He's a great basketball player. Great defender, great mid-range shooter, great speed, from what I've seen great professionalism. Everything about him is great. He's even entertaining as hell.

If we got him, I might just cream in my pants.

 

[SportsTicker]

Dooling was overpaid in his last contract. Now the Nets have to convince him to take $5 million over two years with maybe a third year partially guaranteed. Cant see that working.

 

[nets1]

I look at the stats of Dooling and i see words like great associated with that..?!

Now if you want to say Dooling is great, well maybe in a different context other than basketball. Like he was a great friend, or he was great with little puppies, or he had a great desire to eat ice cream.

But to mix great and those numbers posted above, well i just don't get it. Maybe he was a great cheerleader while he was on the bench. Maybe he was great while he swirled his towel around his head while the starters were doing great on the court. I've seen some great players and he ain't no great player.....If at best he's an ordinary bench player looking for more money than he deserves. Maybe thats why he's still unsigned while the better and great players got signed right after the signing date. Great!!!! come on...

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I look at the stats of Dooling and i see words like great associated with that..?!

Now if you want to say Dooling is great, well maybe in a different context other than basketball. Like he was a great friend, or he was great with little puppies, or he had a great desire to eat ice cream.

But to mix great and those numbers posted above, well i just don't get it. Maybe he was a great cheerleader while he was on the bench. Maybe he was great while he swirled his towel around his head while the starters were doing great on the court. I've seen some great players and he ain't no great player.....If at best he's an ordinary bench player looking for more money than he deserves. Maybe thats why he's still unsigned while the better and great players got signed right after the signing date. Great!!!! come on...</div>
You really have to stop looking at stats and realize there are many things in basketball that don't get put on a stat sheet.

He was the Magic's best perimeter defender and they were a very good defensive team.

He would be a great addition to the Nets' bench.

 

[nets1]

after leaving us at the alter a few years back, i hope thorn never signs this guy. Now this guy reeks of average....

NO THANK YOU!!!





oh yeah, go nets!!!!

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I look at the stats of Dooling and i see words like great associated with that..?!

Now if you want to say Dooling is great, well maybe in a different context other than basketball. Like he was a great friend, or he was great with little puppies, or he had a great desire to eat ice cream.

But to mix great and those numbers posted above, well i just don't get it. Maybe he was a great cheerleader while he was on the bench. Maybe he was great while he swirled his towel around his head while the starters were doing great on the court. I've seen some great players and he ain't no great player.....If at best he's an ordinary bench player looking for more money than he deserves. Maybe thats why he's still unsigned while the better and great players got signed right after the signing date. Great!!!! come on...</div>
You really have to stop looking at stats and realize there are many things in basketball that don't get put on a stat sheet.

He was the Magic's best perimeter defender and they were a very good defensive team.

He would be a great addition to the Nets' bench.
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key word, bench.

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 14 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dooling was overpaid in his last contract. Now the Nets have to convince him to take $5 million over two years with maybe a third year partially guaranteed. Cant see that working.</div>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/bask...story?track=rss

Orlando's offering him 2 mil for 2 years, so he ain't goin' to Orlando.

Who are the suitors, and who'll offer the most money?

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He would be a great addition to the Nets' bench.</div>

key word, bench.
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Did you think they were going to get a starter for about $3mm a season? They have Harris. A back-up is all they need.

 

[nets1]

they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best.

no thank you

also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.

 

[Claud]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best.

no thank you

also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div>


Your posts are very similar to CARTER15NETS'.... It is freaky.

 

[nets1]

oh now i'm being accused of being someone else?? Oh this board is getting weirder by the minute

 

[kobimel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best.

no thank you

also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div>

Dude, Marcus can't defend my grandma. Dooling is one of the best perimeter defenders on the market. As stated on the 1st page, stats aren't everything. Marcus got his stats in (mostly) garbage minutes or against the opposing team's bench, while Dooling got his playing a key role for the Magic.

Obviously Dooling isn't going to get much better, but the fact that Marcus has potential that he has yet to prove he can fulfill shouldn't stop us from signing a very solid player.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

lol @ marcus over dooling.


WATCH A GAME!

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jul 14 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best.

no thank you

also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div>

Dude, Marcus can't defend my grandma. Dooling is one of the best perimeter defenders on the market. As stated on the 1st page, stats aren't everything. Marcus got his stats in (mostly) garbage minutes or against the opposing team's bench, while Dooling got his playing a key role for the Magic.

Obviously Dooling isn't going to get much better, but the fact that Marcus has potential that he has yet to prove he can fulfill shouldn't stop us from signing a very solid player.
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Exactly. We don't need a back-up pg with upside. We need one that can fill a role. Dooling can do these three things: give Harris a breather, come in as a defensive specialist and come in as an extra shooter. He can also fill in for an extended time if Harris gets hurt.

We have 25 year old Devin Harris. We don't need a replacement.

 

[nets1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jul 14 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best.

no thank you

also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div>

<u>Dude, Marcus can't defend my grandma. Dooling is one of the best perimeter defenders on the market</u>. As stated on the 1st page, stats aren't everything. Marcus got his stats in (mostly) garbage minutes or against the opposing team's bench, while Dooling got his playing a key role for the Magic.

Obviously Dooling isn't going to get much better, but the fact that Marcus has potential that he has yet to prove he can fulfill shouldn't stop us from signing a very solid player.
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Can you prove that with stats, or no stats? casue i just don't see it. I watched a few playoff games with the magic and i wasn't impressed. He's average, overrated. Marcus's defense may not be his best suit yet, but he's a work in progress. He was forced to play behind Jason Kidd. Which means he would have never gotten the minutes boone did. If kidd got injured early on the season and MW got kidds minutes or the minutes that boone got who do you think would be considered the better player?

I still remember the triple overtime game against the suns where Marcus took over and damn near won that game. The kid has tremdious upside, and to quit on him now is like to quit on sean williams. This team can afford to hang on to both williams. Now is dooling the answer for another guard besides Marcus, i still say no, look for something better.


oh yeah, go nets!!!

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jul 14 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jul 14 2008, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dooling was overpaid in his last contract. Now the Nets have to convince him to take $5 million over two years with maybe a third year partially guaranteed. Cant see that working.</div>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/bask...story?track=rss

Orlando's offering him 2 mil for 2 years, so he ain't goin' to Orlando.

Who are the suitors, and who'll offer the most money?
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It's $4 million over two years, the LLE of $1.9 million and $2.1 million. His agent has said there are seven suitors, which include the Nets and Heat. Heat is also in a money bind. Who knows who the others are.

I think everyone has to remember two things about him: 1) he can back up either guard and 2) Devin Harris has not exactly been the most physically robust player in the NBA. He regularly misses a lot of games so whoever they get they will have to trust as a part-time starter.

 

[kobimel]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 10:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobimel @ Jul 14 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>they already have a back up in Marcus Williams who has better stats. If your going to get rid of Marcus, and bring in another back up shouldn't that new back up be better than the old back up. I want a backup to replace Marcus only if they are better , and are capible of playing starting minutes whenever the nets need him. Dooling is average at best.

no thank you

also: Marcus has mush more upside than Dooling. I think we've seen all we going to see from Dooling.</div>

<u>Dude, Marcus can't defend my grandma. Dooling is one of the best perimeter defenders on the market</u>. As stated on the 1st page, stats aren't everything. Marcus got his stats in (mostly) garbage minutes or against the opposing team's bench, while Dooling got his playing a key role for the Magic.

Obviously Dooling isn't going to get much better, but the fact that Marcus has potential that he has yet to prove he can fulfill shouldn't stop us from signing a very solid player.
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Can you prove that with stats, or no stats? casue i just don't see it. I watched a few playoff games with the magic and i wasn't impressed. He's average, overrated. Marcus's defense may not be his best suit yet, but he's a work in progress. He was forced to play behind Jason Kidd. Which means he would have never gotten the minutes boone did. If kidd got injured early on the season and MW got kidds minutes or the minutes that boone got who do you think would be considered the better player?

I still remember the triple overtime game against the suns where Marcus took over and damn near won that game. The kid has tremdious upside, and to quit on him now is like to quit on sean williams. This team can afford to hang on to both williams. Now is dooling the answer for another guard besides Marcus, i still say no, look for something better.


oh yeah, go nets!!!
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Who said signing Dooling=quitting on Marcus? Marcus, as you said, is still a work in progress. If we sign Dooling, that's just another guy from whom he can learn. Why are you so sure that Marcus would have performed well if he had gotten a lot of minutes?

You can't prove defense with stats. It's a known fact that Dooling played good defense this season. Ask any Magic fan.

You won't find a better player than Dooling right now for the backup guard position. Any suggestions?

 

[Claud]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nets1 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh now i'm being accused of being someone else?? Oh this board is getting weirder by the minute</div>

When did anyone accuse you? You need to learn to read the post first before replying back. I just said both of you are very similiar in the way you think. That is all.

 

[Cmoney707]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He would be a great addition to the Nets' bench.</div>

key word, bench.
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Did you think they were going to get a starter for about $3mm a season? They have Harris. A back-up is all they need.
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No, point was Dooling isn't going to start so Nets shouldn't throw him starter money. He would start on the Heat and on other teams so it wouldn't make sense for the Nets to outbid the teams that will be trying to pay him like a starter. If we can get him for cheap then I'm all for it, but if not, signing a vet for the minimum would be the best option.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cmoney707 @ Jul 14 2008, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 14 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He would be a great addition to the Nets' bench.</div>

key word, bench.
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Did you think they were going to get a starter for about $3mm a season? They have Harris. A back-up is all they need.
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No, point was Dooling isn't going to start so Nets shouldn't throw him starter money. He would start on the Heat and on other teams so it wouldn't make sense for the Nets to outbid the teams that will be trying to pay him like a starter. If we can get him for cheap then I'm all for it, but if not, signing a vet for the minimum would be the best option.
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The Nets don't have starter money to throw at him, so I don't think that's an issue. Neither does Miami nor Orlando. $2-3mm per season is not starters money.