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Uhhm, you do realize that movie was filmed in Georgia. Right. Don't you live in Georgia? As far as Nashville is concerned, it's quite a cosmopolitan city. You should check it out sometime.
Beautiful country. However, it was a fictional place in Georgia. It was actually filmed in Northern Georgia while yankeesince59 lives South of Atlanta. Northern Georgia is very close to Tennessee. I believe the movie was shot roughly midway between you two rednecks.
This proves the old adage that says rednecks fight like cats and dogs. Okay, I made up that old adage, so sue me. At least I don't live near deliverance country although I have lots of cousins down there and in Alabama.
By the way, I'm gonna have ham, beans, buttermilk, cornbread, hot peppers and raw green onions soon if you guys are interested. All you have to do is tell me if you prefer lima beans (butter beans to you guys), black eyed peas or navy beans.
 
Beautiful country. However, it was a fictional place in Georgia. It was actually filmed in Northern Georgia while yankeesince59 lives South of Atlanta. Northern Georgia is very close to Tennessee. I believe the movie was shot roughly midway between you two rednecks.
This proves the old adage that says rednecks fight like cats and dogs. Okay, I made up that old adage, so sue me. At least I don't live near deliverance country although I have lots of cousins down there and in Alabama.
By the way, I'm gonna have ham, beans, buttermilk, cornbread, hot peppers and raw green onions soon if you guys are interested. All you have to do is tell me if you prefer lima beans (butter beans to you guys), black eyed peas or navy beans.


Heh, nice, Lanny. :)

Hey, just don't tell me you prefer these...

 
Beautiful country. However, it was a fictional place in Georgia. It was actually filmed in Northern Georgia while yankeesince59 lives South of Atlanta. Northern Georgia is very close to Tennessee. I believe the movie was shot roughly midway between you two rednecks.
This proves the old adage that says rednecks fight like cats and dogs. Okay, I made up that old adage, so sue me. At least I don't live near deliverance country although I have lots of cousins down there and in Alabama.
By the way, I'm gonna have ham, beans, buttermilk, cornbread, hot peppers and raw green onions soon if you guys are interested. All you have to do is tell me if you prefer lima beans (butter beans to you guys), black eyed peas or navy beans.

Pretty much, anyone who lives outside the 285 circle is in Deliverance country.
 
Pretty much, anyone who lives outside the 285 circle is in Deliverance country.
We had some guys in our brick laying crew that lived in Rome, Georgia, which is pretty far outside Atlanta, who were the worst rednecks. They were in the volunteer fire department and refused to fight a fire that involved the home of a Black family. They even recounted how they watched and did nothing while a Black family's home burned up. It was the newly arrived only Black family in Rome.
 
While not a perfect science, Wall St. might be a general indicator as to how the Trump Administration is currently handling things. Despite the deaths (which is a horrible thing), hope is on the horizon.
 
Beautiful country. However, it was a fictional place in Georgia. It was actually filmed in Northern Georgia while yankeesince59 lives South of Atlanta. Northern Georgia is very close to Tennessee. I believe the movie was shot roughly midway between you two rednecks.
This proves the old adage that says rednecks fight like cats and dogs. Okay, I made up that old adage, so sue me. At least I don't live near deliverance country although I have lots of cousins down there and in Alabama.
By the way, I'm gonna have ham, beans, buttermilk, cornbread, hot peppers and raw green onions soon if you guys are interested. All you have to do is tell me if you prefer lima beans (butter beans to you guys), black eyed peas or navy beans.
No brown derby pie?
 
While not a perfect science, Wall St. might be a general indicator as to how the Trump Administration is currently handling things. Despite the deaths (which is a horrible thing), hope is on the horizon.

So if the market goes down again, you'll agree that it's because Trump is doing a terrible job?

barfo
 
While not a perfect science, Wall St. might be a general indicator as to how the Trump Administration is currently handling things. Despite the deaths (which is a horrible thing), hope is on the horizon.

It means nothing. It is not an indicator that things are getting better or for fucks sake that Trump is doing anything right. When 90,95% of all stocks are owned by the wealthy, that leaves the vast majority of the country getting no benefit from a couple good days. The government is printing trillions to bail out airlines, cruise lines etc (which they should NOT DO), and yay it’s another faux stock jump. It’s all bullshit. You cannot have millions and millions claiming unemployment and say the economy is heading in the right direction.
 
So if the market goes down again, you'll agree that it's because Trump is doing a terrible job?

barfo
Not a chance.

It means nothing. It is not an indicator that things are getting better or for fucks sake that Trump is doing anything right. When 90,95% of all stocks are owned by the wealthy, that leaves the vast majority of the country getting no benefit from a couple good days. The government is printing trillions to bail out airlines, cruise lines etc (which they should NOT DO), and yay it’s another faux stock jump. It’s all bullshit. You cannot have millions and millions claiming unemployment and say the economy is heading in the right direction.
Unfortunately, most Trump fans are immune to facts and any criticism is simply spun or deflected.
 
So if the market goes down again, you'll agree that it's because Trump is doing a terrible job?

barfo

I will agree that it may be reacting to mistakes made at that point in time. Truly, it appears to be a day-at-a-time exercise.
 
It means nothing. It is not an indicator that things are getting better or for fucks sake that Trump is doing anything right. When 90,95% of all stocks are owned by the wealthy, that leaves the vast majority of the country getting no benefit from a couple good days....

Tell that to the vast number of 401k and IRA, etc. owners.
 
I wonder what one's net worth need be to be in that top 10%.

Depending on which source is used, as far as I can tell the top 10% in net worth starts with $1,182,390.36...and 145K annual income puts you in the top 10% per Forbes;

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackke...-worth-ranks-compared-to-others/#346a6f0d576f


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I wonder what one's net worth need be to be in that top 10%.

I think it depends on who you ask. To the people who think "middle class" starts at 175K, they probably have a different # than the rest of us.
 
Well, what I DO know is that the article you cited is 3 years old.

I also know that you pointed to "401Ks and IRAs", and not specific stock ownership.
 
Well, what I DO know is that the article you cited is 3 years old.

I also know that you pointed to "401Ks and IRAs", and not specific stock ownership.

It's my guess that most stock ownership of the middle class, etc., is via personal retirement plans. On that note, I remember in 2008 when my 401k suddenly became my 201k.

My wife and have I rolled all of our IRA monies from stocks into tax-deferred real estate.
 
It's my guess that most stock ownership of the middle class, etc., is via personal retirement plans.

That puts us right back where this convo started,.... at the "lower 10%" of the wealthy.
 
That puts us right back where this convo started,.... at the "lower 10%" of the wealthy.

K, everything is relative. I'm speaking of individual human beings, each who have a vested interest in where their respective monies are being invested.
 
K, everything is relative. I'm speaking of individual human beings, each who have a vested interest in where their respective monies are being invested.

My goodness, you don't think that "10% of the wealthy" are "actual human beings"...you keep going in circles, go back and start reading with this post, which is where this convo began...your argument/point makes no sense;

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4932889/
 


Even if you don’t own or trade individual stocks, there’s a decent chance you have a 401(k) account or an Individual Retirement Account or belong to a pension fund that is invested in stocks.

"Many individuals have an indirect interest in the stock market by means of their claims on pension funds that own stocks and use these stock positions to fund pension payments," said Hendrik Bessembinder, a professor at Arizona State University’s W.P. Carey School of Business.

A once-every-three-years study by the Federal Reserve Board found that in 2016, 51.9 percent of families owned stocks, either directly or as part of a fund.

And in 2017, Gallup found that 54 percent of respondents owned stocks either directly or as part of a fund.

Those findings show a majority owning stocks — a modest majority, but still a majority.

In an email interview, Khanna told PolitiFact that he still feels the "essence of the post" is accurate but added that "a better headline would have been, "Most Americans Don’t Have a Real Stake in the Stock Market."

Khanna has a point that a household’s affluence does help determine how vested they are in the stock market.

The Federal Reserve Board study found that about one-third of families in the lower half of the income scale had stock holdings. In the next 40 percent of the income scale, about 70 percent of households held stocks, while households in the top 10 percent of the income scale had stock ownership rates above 90 percent.

Here's a chart from the Fed's report, showing how stock ownership rates vary depending on income level.

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Gallup, meanwhile, found that certain subgroups were notably less likely to own stocks, including those without a college education, younger Americans, unmarried Americans, African-Americans, and Hispanics.

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Khanna wrote that "most Americans don’t own stocks."

To be precise, a narrow majority of Americans does own stocks, according to credible recent studies. But Khanna has a point that Americans of modest incomes are significantly less invested in the stock market than wealthier Americans are. Other large groups, including minorities and those without a college education, also lag in stock ownership, meaning that the stock rally is largely passing them by.

We rate the statement Half True.

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"Most Americans don’t own stocks."
a Facebook post – Wednesday, September 12, 2018
 
The Federal Reserve Board study found that about one-third of families in the lower half of the income scale had stock holdings. In the next 40 percent of the income scale, about 70 percent of households held stocks, while households in the top 10 percent of the income scale had stock ownership rates above 90 percent.

This statement from your article above actually supports up what was said originally...."10%".

Also using "IRAs and 401Ks" as a barometer for stock ownership is skewed by the fact that both of those are not exclusively funded by the stock market alone, instead, those type funds/accounts are generally broadly diversified between "high risk and low risk" investments

This whole discussion is in response to ABM implying that the recent uptick in the stock market is because Trump has handled the virus calamity well...he hasn't.
 
My goodness, you don't think that "10% of the wealthy" are "actual human beings"...you keep going in circles, go back and start reading with this post, which is where this convo began...your argument/point makes no sense;

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4932889/

LOL. Your point is?

I mentioned that the DOW might be a day-to-day indicator on Trump's performance. A basic barometer.

Then, this was mentioned: "When 90-95% of all stocks are owned by the wealthy, that leaves the vast majority of the country getting no benefit from a couple good days."

The rabbit trail ensued. Probably 60 million - or more - American people are in the stock market thru their respective 401k's, IRA's, or whatever. These are handled by fund managers, who have a vested interest in netting gains for their clients.
 
LOL. Your point is?

1.I mentioned that the DOW might be a day-to-day indicator on Trump's performance. A basic barometer.

2. Probably 60 million - or more - American people are in the stock market thru their respective 401k's, IRA's, or whatever. These are handled by fund managers, who have a vested interest in netting gains for their clients.

1. Which as has been mentioned, "is BS"....so your point is that you're arguing about something that "Might be"


2. That means that if your number is accurate, there are almost 270 Million who are not !
And as I just pointed out, 401Ks and IRAs are something you interjected into the convo and as I also just pointed out, stocks are generally a fraction of how those type accounts are structured.


The rich are pretty much the only ones watching the stock market...do you really think that the everyday middle class is more concerned with the stock market?...no, instead, they are occupied with the prospect of whether they or someone close to them will die from this fucking virus.
 
1. Which as has been mentioned, "is BS"....so your point is that you're arguing about something that "Might be"


2. That means that if your number is accurate, there are almost 270 Million who are not !
And as I just pointed out, 401Ks and IRAs are something you interjected into the convo and as I also just pointed out, stocks are generally a fraction of how those type accounts are structured.


The rich are pretty much the only ones watching the stock market...do you really think that the everyday middle class is more concerned with the stock market?...no, instead, they are occupied with the prospect of whether they or someone close to them will die from this fucking virus.

You're so far off on a tangent it's laughable.
 
You're so far off on a tangent it's laughable.

You mean I "might" be?...exactly what "tangent" are you speaking of?

Can you logically and coherently disprove what I said with actual facts?
 
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